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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 25, 2016 21:08:51 GMT -5
I've only read a handful of those Golden Age stories, but I do recall Namor being temperamental even then.  Okay, you are right. I just reread his second story, and he got startled by some humans and tripped on a live wire, he then got pissed and ripped a steel bar and threw it at the crowd below. I still love him, though. And he is not nearly as wordy or arrogant. You're just another married surface woman that he's seduced with his petulant good looks and bad boy attitude!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:41:34 GMT -5
I couldn't begin to guess at the psychology behind it - A comic is either readable or not, and obsessing over minute differences between different copies seems like.... well, a waste of time even by the standards of fandom in general. So would you sell a NM 9.4 copy for the same price as a VG 4.0? After all, they can both be read and splitting hairs between the differences in flaws between them is a waste of time. I think the comic store owner will fire you though... |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 25, 2016 22:22:41 GMT -5
I couldn't begin to guess at the psychology behind it - A comic is either readable or not, and obsessing over minute differences between different copies seems like.... well, a waste of time even by the standards of fandom in general. So would you sell a NM 9.4 copy for the same price as a VG 4.0? After all, they can both be read and splitting hairs between the differences in flaws between them is a waste of time. I think the comic store owner will fire you though... I'd PAY the same for them. Unless they were slabbed, then I'd pay less for the convenience fee. Theoretically I suppose I might try to charge more for something in mint, but I mostly deal with Golden-through-Bronze age stuff, and the odds that I end up owning comics in mint are pretty-far-from-astronomical. But if I did - Yeah I probably would end up selling them for less than they're worth, just because - unless I'm dealing with thousand dollar books - It wouldn't be worth the mental energy for me to care. So I totally do have my price  but the odds that I'm ever dealing with la thousand dollar comic in my lifetime are slim-to-none. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 6:50:21 GMT -5
Okay, you are right. I just reread his second story, and he got startled by some humans and tripped on a live wire, he then got pissed and ripped a steel bar and threw it at the crowd below. I still love him, though. And he is not nearly as wordy or arrogant. You're just another married surface woman that he's seduced with his petulant good looks and bad boy attitude! HA! I actually just find his behavior so absurd at times that it makes me laugh. I also love Everett's art. I am fascinated by the idea of people living in the sea. The more absurd writers made him behave come the silver age, the more he makes me laugh. But really, for golden age, it's Everett's art, and the way he wrote him. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 26, 2016 7:00:46 GMT -5
There is something hilarious about how pissed off Namor is all the time. He's like a really attractive version of Moe Howard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 7:57:25 GMT -5
There is something hilarious about how pissed off Namor is all the time. He's like a really attractive version of Moe Howard. During the golden age, yeah! Hahahahaha! He's a master of redirection when it comes to his fits. His behavior is NEVER anything I would ever tolerate from anyone in real life, which is probably why I like it so much in my fiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 7:59:10 GMT -5
Why do I now want to read a story of Namor as a mafiosa hitman losing it whenever he threatens people he will make them sleep with the fishies!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 8:08:02 GMT -5
Why do I now want to read a story of Namor as a mafiosa hitman losing it whenever he threatens people he will make them sleep with the fishies! -M Because everyone should want to read something like that because it sounds awesome? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 8:19:41 GMT -5
There is something hilarious about how pissed off Namor is all the time. He's like a really attractive version of Moe Howard. This totally reminds me of what I would be like if I had super powers and bumped my head above a crowd of people.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 9:24:34 GMT -5
There is something hilarious about how pissed off Namor is all the time. He's like a really attractive version of Moe Howard. This totally reminds me of what I would be like if I had super powers and bumped my head above a crowd of people. Really beautiful art |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 26, 2016 9:41:02 GMT -5
I couldn't begin to guess at the psychology behind it - A comic is either readable or not, and obsessing over minute differences between different copies seems like.... well, a waste of time even by the standards of fandom in general. And the POINT of fandom (as I see it) is caring about really, really stupid $%^&. So, yeah, I think it's stupid. But it's probably driven prices on lower grade but still perfectly readable copies down, so it indirectly benefits me. Regardless of what the item is, condition matters.
If there are two cars, same year and model, same mileage, but one looks almost new and the other one shows severe wear, rust, and dents, then the expectation will be that the better looking car will cost more.
If all you want is basic transportation, the cheaper car that looks bad may be perfect for you. But it's not unreasonable or stupid for someone else to prefer to spend the money on the better looking car.
Some may even buy a fancy sports car just to keep it locked in the garage and never drive it, while they have another car to drive. Wouldn't be the choice I'd make, but I can understand why someone might.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:00:13 GMT -5
This totally reminds me of what I would be like if I had super powers and bumped my head above a crowd of people. Really beautiful art My only issue is the coloring. I'm sure they did pretty darn good to make it look like the original, but it just doesn't come close (to scans I've seen). I notice it more in MMC #1. Princess Fen's coloring seems off to me. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 28, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
I couldn't begin to guess at the psychology behind it - A comic is either readable or not, and obsessing over minute differences between different copies seems like.... well, a waste of time even by the standards of fandom in general. And the POINT of fandom (as I see it) is caring about really, really stupid $%^&. So, yeah, I think it's stupid. But it's probably driven prices on lower grade but still perfectly readable copies down, so it indirectly benefits me. Regardless of what the item is, condition matters.
If there are two cars, same year and model, same mileage, but one looks almost new and the other one shows severe wear, rust, and dents, then the expectation will be that the better looking car will cost more.
If all you want is basic transportation, the cheaper car that looks bad may be perfect for you. But it's not unreasonable or stupid for someone else to prefer to spend the money on the better looking car.
Some may even buy a fancy sports car just to keep it locked in the garage and never drive it, while they have another car to drive. Wouldn't be the choice I'd make, but I can understand why someone might.
I understand the social psychology of it for cars. I have to get a nice car an impress the neighbors. (Obviously I think this is silly, TOO. But I understand it.) I don't understand how the same social psychology applies to comic books. Why did anyone think this would possibly matter in the first place? The neighbors are not going to be impressed that your X-men # 104 is in 9.2 and not 6.0. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 28, 2016 15:48:35 GMT -5
Regardless of what the item is, condition matters.
If there are two cars, same year and model, same mileage, but one looks almost new and the other one shows severe wear, rust, and dents, then the expectation will be that the better looking car will cost more.
If all you want is basic transportation, the cheaper car that looks bad may be perfect for you. But it's not unreasonable or stupid for someone else to prefer to spend the money on the better looking car.
Some may even buy a fancy sports car just to keep it locked in the garage and never drive it, while they have another car to drive. Wouldn't be the choice I'd make, but I can understand why someone might.
I understand the social psychology of it for cars. I have to get a nice car an impress the neighbors. (Obviously I think this is silly, TOO. But I understand it.) I don't understand how the same social psychology applies to comic books. Why did anyone think this would possibly matter in the first place? The neighbors are not going to be impressed that your X-men # 104 is in 9.2 and not 6.0. I never mentioned anything about people wanting better cars to impress the neighbors, though, granted, that does happen. My point was that people frequently want better things just because they like having nicer things. Which applies to cars, comics, homes, clothes, etc.
To continue with your point about the neighbors: no, your neighbor in your real-life community isn't likely to be impressed by the condition of your comics. However your fellow comics geeks in a community like this one probably will be.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 28, 2016 17:16:23 GMT -5
I understand the social psychology of it for cars. I have to get a nice car an impress the neighbors. (Obviously I think this is silly, TOO. But I understand it.) I don't understand how the same social psychology applies to comic books. Why did anyone think this would possibly matter in the first place? The neighbors are not going to be impressed that your X-men # 104 is in 9.2 and not 6.0. I never mentioned anything about people wanting better cars to impress the neighbors, though, granted, that does happen. My point was that people frequently want better things just because they like having nicer things. Which applies to cars, comics, homes, clothes, etc.
To continue with your point about the neighbors: no, your neighbor in your real-life community isn't likely to be impressed by the condition of your comics. However your fellow comics geeks in a community like this one probably will be.
I've done some reading in this in psych classes, but it was a while ago, and I'm probably oversimplifying. But: People don't want nice things (with no practical value) in a vacuum - This is basically a way of defining class boundaries and acquiring social capital. I suspect you're right, though, about hard core grader types doing the same thing to impress fellow geeks (at least a little bit.) |
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but the odds that I'm ever dealing with la thousand dollar comic in my lifetime are slim-to-none. 