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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 24, 2017 21:54:48 GMT -5
Your point on language is actually exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.... people have different understanding of different things, thus splitting hairs about certain innocous statements is even more silly
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 24, 2017 23:23:59 GMT -5
I just don't understand why it's "divisive." How are you harmed by an announcement being changed from "Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen" to "Good afternoon everyone." What about this makes your particular life different in any way? It's not like somebody's demanding that we, all of us, stop using the term 'ladies and gentlemen'. It's one organization who has had people say, "You know, perhaps that isn't as inclusive as it could be" and, rather than digging their heels in and pouting about it, they've said, "Yeah, you're right. We'll change that."
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 25, 2017 0:32:07 GMT -5
But here's the thing, neuroscience shows us that when we conflate words in language, we conflate the definition of those words. That's how the brain is hardwired to function. So when we conflate sex with gender, we conflate the biological with the sociological. Sex is whether we have xx or xy chromosomes and demonstrated physically by which type of reproductive organs the person has and whether the mammaries are functional or vestigial among other things. Things like whether it is acceptable to show those mammaries in public, what clothes you are expected to wear, what names are commonly used for the sex, what roles in family and household the person is expected to fill, what occupations are acceptable, how much you get paid to do those jobs, what emotions are acceptably shown by the person, etc. etc. are not determined by the biological, but by the sociological, i.e. society's reaction to the sex and expectations towards it. If in our usage of language we do not acknowledge the difference between the biological and the sociological, then our brain is wired not to acknowledge a difference in the definitions and treat them no differently because we conflate the words. The sociological expectations becomes the "reality" because of the biological sex. If there is no separation is terms for the two things, then there is no difference between them in the way the brain processes and classifies the two. People are free to ignore the science and believe what they want, but the science of how our brain works vis-a-vis the usage of language shows it matters how we use words in terms of our behavior. The evidence is there. Language both shapes and reflects behavior. The menu is never the meal even if the two look the same and are used to reflect each other. Sex is not gender even if the two are perceived to be the same by some and are used to reflect each other. That is, until you change the usage and change the thought and define gender by sex because they are the same thing in the brain. And when you do that, you take away the person's ability to define their own role in society because they are straightjacketed by the perception of others and pigeonholed into a role because of their biology. Language defines perception and perception shapes reality, or at least how our brain interprets the information/stimuli we receive and organizes/shapes what we call reality and then formulates our behavior. -M Sure, but my point wasn't really about gender politics. I was simply refuting your assertion that people using words incorrectly doesn't alter their actual meaning. While that's true in the short term, over time it can and frequently does alter their meaning. So... In reply to you, Confessor and Spike-X, ‘Disconnect' is a verb. Not a noun. the TEDtalks $##!!! “used pieces of toilet paper, and not for urine’ folks along with 3rd rate bureaucratic hacks use it as a noun, in lieu of ‘disconnection’. They’re lazy minded as well, love to conflate things, but I’ve heard, due to press releases and news and interviews featuring defense lawyers, that weasel-word-lovers use ‘disconnect’ as a noun, even though that’s boneheaded; they misuse ‘disconnect' in such a fashion (and it's merely fashion, bad fashion) because it’s faux-trendy and buzzword-worthy. If you disconnect a demographic of society, then that demographic has suffered a disconnection. I respect MRP's adherence to the arts of language, but I'd hope he has an equal problem with the kinda turkey-poop which merely wants to use 'disconnect' as a noun to sound hip on N.P.R. . If so, then no problem, I getcha, it's consistent. IF ppl are consistent about defending against linguistic and grammatic devolution, fine. If sjw stuff (and this train line public address question might be that), gets a free pass and more reasonable people don’t on the subject of language, it’s not fine, it’s pandering-not-progress, and circle-fappage. Considering the threat of true neo-fascist movements in the world, particularly in Hungary and other European regions, I’m grateful that most folks use ‘fascism’ properly as they describe it as a serious concern, yet doubt if all but a few folks gives a $#@!! if Antifa and the Felarca-Buffoon misuse it and ‘conflate it’ all the time, as MRP advised against, to alter the definition of the term for their own agenda of narcissism, at a level worthy of M. Malaprop. If they're doing so because they're too lazy to crack open a thesaurus unless it comes as a free app on their 'smart-phone', then it's garbage. None of which is ‘tangental’ because it addresses demographics, a constant factor in decisions regarding train travel. As in WHICH people will be riding this train-line for the bulk of its operating-hours. The CONTEXT. As Adamwarlock stated, as I did before too, context is everything. If more than 15% of purchasers of the train tickets on this specific line will feel more comfortable with 'hello, everyone', and less than 5% feel ‘odd’ about it’, done deal. Fine. If this is a change which will hurt the feelings of people who worked hard to birth and then raise the generation who in turn gave birth to the ‘me, me, me, MY gender-fluid need to weep and wail (on the youtube-sellfie camera) for attention despite the fact I’ve been in a sheltered bubble’ sjw spooge-tastic 0.01% of the people paying to be on that train line, and these people use this train line more than anyonyone 'upset' at 'ladies and gentlemen', it’s pandering GARBAGE. and thus, useless. If this was for BART in the Bay Area, it would be a fab idea, because of the social context.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 27, 2017 3:28:42 GMT -5
moving along...
since we have many writers here,
deconstructionism is lazy, it's merely taking the path of least resistance so a writer doesn't have to 'work', and only take the pi$$ out of somethimg someone with a creative work ethic bothered to create, to construct.
Tim Burton, i'm glowering at you here.
it's much harder and more noble to create, to construct, something others love so much that deconstructionist hacks take the easiest road and mock it, often with no finesse, merely relying on the good will of fans of emperor's-new-clothes.
there, i said it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2017 5:34:45 GMT -5
moving along... since we have many writers here, deconstructionism is lazy, it's merely taking the path of least resistance so a writer doesn't have to 'work', and only take the pi$$ out of somethimg someone with a creative work ethic bothered to create, to construct. Tim Burton, i'm glowering at you here. it's much harder and more noble to create, to construct, something others love so much that deconstructionist hacks take the easiest road and mock it, often with no finesse, merely relying on the good will of fans of emperor's-new-clothes. there, i said it. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!!!!!! Read my comic and find out that Superman was really a Nazi all along.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 27, 2017 5:36:48 GMT -5
moving along... since we have many writers here, deconstructionism is lazy, it's merely taking the path of least resistance so a writer doesn't have to 'work', and only take the pi$$ out of somethimg someone with a creative work ethic bothered to create, to construct. Tim Burton, i'm glowering at you here. it's much harder and more noble to create, to construct, something others love so much that deconstructionist hacks take the easiest road and mock it, often with no finesse, merely relying on the good will of fans of emperor's-new-clothes. there, i said it. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!!!!!! Read my comic and find out that Superman was really a Nazi all along. i'd do that if it hadn't been done by lazy sjw's to captain america first, lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 11:57:10 GMT -5
August Heat Wave coming my way ... average temp 93-95 ... Monday to Friday!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 31, 2017 9:56:18 GMT -5
Back in the day, the yearly World almanacs were pretty darn cool.
I got my last one in 1997; it came with a Carmen Sandiego computer game for the kids. It remains my #1 source on information on American presidents, even before Wikipedia!
There! I said it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 31, 2017 11:20:41 GMT -5
Back in the day, the yearly World almanacs were pretty darn cool. I got my last one in 1997; it came with a Carmen Sandiego computer game for the kids. It remains my #1 source on information on American presidents, even before Wikipedia! There! I said it. Yup. I've owned at least three editions over the years, beginning with my first back in '72. Cei-U! I summon one of THE essential reference works!
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 1, 2017 13:03:34 GMT -5
Back in the day, the yearly World almanacs were pretty darn cool. I got my last one in 1997; it came with a Carmen Sandiego computer game for the kids. It remains my #1 source on information on American presidents, even before Wikipedia! There! I said it. Yup. I've owned at least three editions over the years, beginning with my first back in '72. Cei-U! I summon one of THE essential reference works! The Internet between two covers. Fondly remembered. Probably the only book my father ever bought. (Not that he didn't read; he just never went shopping.) Used to love when he'd bring this home. Thanks for reminding me of how great that feeling was.
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Post by berkley on Aug 1, 2017 23:28:33 GMT -5
On the verb-into-noun thing with "disconnect", this seems to be a trend in American English the last 10 years or so, maybe more: when talking about movies or comics, fans often say things like "the big reveal" rather than revelation (which admittedly has other connotations) or discovery; and you often hear people say "That's a big ask," instead of request or demand or what have you.
I don't like the practice and try to avoid it, myself.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 2, 2017 0:05:33 GMT -5
On the verb-into-noun thing with "disconnect", this seems to be a trend in American English the last 10 years or so, maybe more: when talking about movies or comics, fans often say things like "the big reveal" rather than revelation (which admittedly has other connotations) or discovery; and you often hear people say "That's a big ask," instead of request or demand or what have you. I don't like the practice and try to avoid it, myself. yes indeed. 'rethink' as a noun bugs me badly. "That's a big ask," is quite common in casual Australian parlance. many people are using 'unpack' in lieu of 'discuss' or analyze'; i'm hoping that won't be used as a faux-noun, too.
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Post by berkley on Aug 2, 2017 0:30:42 GMT -5
I like "unpack", myself - as a verb, that is: the noun would be "unpacking", I agree.
But I do think "unpack" adds a subtle nuance, partially influenced by the computer age in which we routinely unpack compressed files and so on, that distinguishes it from "analyse", and not only in flavour and feel (oops - is that another verb-into-noun, old enough I haven't noticed it until now?): "analyse" makes me think of breaking something down into its components and their inter-relationships, while "unpack" has the added idea of expanding (through discussion) those components more fully in order to bring out all their implications. Only my subjective take on it, of course.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 2, 2017 0:48:12 GMT -5
I like "unpack", myself - as a verb, that is: the noun would be "unpacking", I agree. But I do think "unpack" adds a subtle nuance, partially influenced by the computer age in which we routinely unpack compressed files and so on, that distinguishes it from "analyse", and not only in flavour and feel (oops - is that another verb-into-noun, old enough I haven't noticed it until now?): "analyse" makes me think of breaking something down into its components and their inter-relationships, while "unpack" has the added idea of expanding (through discussion) those components more fully in order to bring out all their implications. Only my subjective take on it, of course. d'accord how do you feel about 'mouth-feel', in Foodie culture?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 2, 2017 8:28:20 GMT -5
I like "unpack", myself - as a verb, that is: the noun would be "unpacking", I agree. But I do think "unpack" adds a subtle nuance, partially influenced by the computer age in which we routinely unpack compressed files and so on, that distinguishes it from "analyse", and not only in flavour and feel (oops - is that another verb-into-noun, old enough I haven't noticed it until now?): "analyse" makes me think of breaking something down into its components and their inter-relationships, while "unpack" has the added idea of expanding (through discussion) those components more fully in order to bring out all their implications. Only my subjective take on it, of course. d'accord how do you feel about 'mouth-feel', in Foodie culture? If I hear "mouth feel" it's not food that's coming to mind. There I said it.
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