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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 8, 2016 14:12:01 GMT -5
It was the same day. Since Carter was present, Reagan asked him to make the announcement to the crowd at the inaugural ceremony(can't remember if it was before or after Reagan made his address). The Iranians planned it that way; they felt that they were on a power trip making Carter look bad, and made sure he was no longer the President when they officially released the hostages. Too bad the sainted Ronnie never told that part of the story and implicitly took credit for the release. BTW, I've neither read anywhere, nor heard Carter say, that Reagan made that offer. He made the announcement well after the inauguration (at about 2 PM, IIRC), and thus embedded in the collective consciousness that it was the Iranians' fear of his unwillngness to negotiate and of his all-around toughness that made them releas the hostages w/o any concessions whatsoever. To the point that Marco Robot-io refers to this in his stump speeches as proof of his bona fides as a historian. Next year in high school, maybe Marco will study the infamous, treasonous, impeachable arms-for-hostages deal arranged by... who was it again? Oh, that's right, St. Ronnie of the Holy Hair Polish. I never heard about Reagan making the offer to let Carter announce their release either. Certainly doesn't sound like him.
Of course I never heard about Rubio's fanciful take on reality either, but I haven't made an effort to listen to him or the 47 others running for the GOP. Not sure how the Iranians could be that scared of the star of "Bedtime for Bonzo" (or did he get second billing after the monkey?).
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2016 14:15:41 GMT -5
I never heard about Reagan making the offer to let Carter announce their release either. Certainly doesn't sound like him.
Of course I never heard about Rubio's fanciful take on reality either, but I haven't made an effort to listen to him or the 47 others running for the GOP. Not sure how the Iranians could be that scared of the star of "Bedtime for Bonzo" (or did he get second billing after the monkey?).
Here's an example. (Sorry to bring one of the Hate-Filled Eight for you to see. I understand anyone's reluctance to even admit that such creatures exist.) www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/17/marco-rubio/rubio-wrongly-credits-reagan-1981-release-hostages/ |
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Post by realjla on Feb 8, 2016 14:47:24 GMT -5
Yeah, screw Reagan. The way he imposed martial law, burned the Constitution, and the jackbooted thugs threw everyone whose politics were to the left of center into gulags, that sucks.
Wait, none of that happened.
Still, this is why I try not to visit the 'off topic politics' sections of most forums...it doesn't take long to turn into one-note, 'Hulk hate party Hulk not vote for' rhetoric.
Back to comics...
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2016 14:53:23 GMT -5
Yeah, screw Reagan. The way he imposed martial law, burned the Constitution, and the jackbooted thugs threw everyone whose politics were to the left of center into gulags, that sucks. Wait, none of that happened. Still, this is why I try not to visit the 'off topic politics' sections of most forums...it doesn't take long to turn into one-note, 'Hulk hate party Hulk not vote for' rhetoric. Back to comics... You're ranging into hyperbole. I stuck to facts, which are stubborn things. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2016 15:01:21 GMT -5
I am getting kind of tired of the 'there must be a Clinton or a Bush in the running nearly every four years' rule. Since I turned 18, the only Bush-and-Clinton-free ballots had Obama on them. Lucky for us! |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 8, 2016 15:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, screw Reagan. The way he imposed martial law, burned the Constitution, and the jackbooted thugs threw everyone whose politics were to the left of center into gulags, that sucks. Wait, none of that happened. Still, this is why I try not to visit the 'off topic politics' sections of most forums...it doesn't take long to turn into one-note, 'Hulk hate party Hulk not vote for' rhetoric. Back to comics... I don't think I've seen much of that here to be honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:30:45 GMT -5
Sorry. I didn't mean to start the Reagan hate talking about my dad.
But I still think my dad's dislike of Reagan is funny.
If something breaks some time during today, just think of my dad explaining to you how it can be traced back, somehow, to being Reagan's fault. hahahahaha.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2016 15:35:22 GMT -5
Sorry. I didn't mean to start the Reagan hate talking about my dad. But I still think my dad's dislike of Reagan is funny. If something breaks some time during today, just think of my dad explaining to you how it can be traced back, somehow, to being Reagan's fault. hahahahaha. You can't hate Reagan. It's against the law. |
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Post by realjla on Feb 8, 2016 16:11:25 GMT -5
Sorry. I didn't mean to start the Reagan hate talking about my dad. But I still think my dad's dislike of Reagan is funny. If something breaks some time during today, just think of my dad explaining to you how it can be traced back, somehow, to being Reagan's fault. hahahahaha. It wasn't you who started it, but I was getting that vibe from 'Prince Halbert Einstein' upthread. "You deal in HYPERBOLE, I prefer FACTS!' The only thing missing is a 'my boy' somewhere in there...very 'Dr. Smith' ('Oh, Reagan...the pain, the PAIN...that man and his jelly beans...')  |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 8, 2016 16:39:57 GMT -5
Political threads are by nature a tricky balancing act. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to make disparaging remarks regarding another poster. If you disagree with their position, debate the position, not the personality.
Let's keep things civil.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2016 17:24:59 GMT -5
Sorry. I didn't mean to start the Reagan hate talking about my dad. But I still think my dad's dislike of Reagan is funny. If something breaks some time during today, just think of my dad explaining to you how it can be traced back, somehow, to being Reagan's fault. hahahahaha. It wasn't you who started it, but I was getting that vibe from 'Prince Halbert Einstein' upthread. "You deal in HYPERBOLE, I prefer FACTS!' The only thing missing is a 'my boy' somewhere in there...very 'Dr. Smith' ('Oh, Reagan...the pain, the PAIN...that man and his jelly beans...') What part of what you posted was not a hyperbole? You countered my presentation of evidence with an ad hominem attack on those who disagree with you. If you have other sources that counter what I wrote, please present them. I didn't shout at you, either. And the name is Prince Hal. Einstein's the avatar. So bring on the counter-evidence, please. |
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Post by realjla on Feb 8, 2016 19:03:06 GMT -5
Nah. I'd rather drop it. My original point...that certain people get too worked up over politics...is valid.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 8, 2016 19:15:11 GMT -5
Political threads are by nature a tricky balancing act. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to make disparaging remarks regarding another poster. If you disagree with their position, debate the position, not the personality. Let's keep things civil. Sir, that calls for a duel by bananas. At dawn..20 paces. |
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Post by realjla on Feb 8, 2016 19:19:49 GMT -5
Political threads are by nature a tricky balancing act. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to make disparaging remarks regarding another poster. If you disagree with their position, debate the position, not the personality. Let's keep things civil. Sir, that calls for a duel by bananas. At dawn..20 paces. When bananas are outlawed, only DC super-gorillas will have bananas. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 8, 2016 19:21:19 GMT -5
Sir, that calls for a duel by bananas. At dawn..20 paces. When bananas are outlawed, only DC super-gorillas will have bananas. Titano is the Johnny Wadd of banana bearers |
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