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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 21, 2014 18:32:22 GMT -5
As a kid it'd be 8-4 for Secret Wars. Now it's 7-5 for Crisis. That 8-4 as a kid would be 7-5 if anybody else were holding Supergirl on #7. I didn't like Cap as a kid but I HATED Superman. My favorite cover of the lot is Secret Wars #10 followed by Crisis #7 & 8. I don't like either cover for #1,6,9 or 11. The covers that changed were #3,5,7; all of which switched to Crisis. I enjoyed both minis back in the day but secret Wars stands up better. For COIE, you have to know the whole back story and parallel worlds and also at the conclusion, no one remembers what happened. Secret Wars stands alone as a TPB. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 21, 2014 21:36:12 GMT -5
Secret Wars was, and still is an unreadable mess. My friend gave me the trades to read recently, but dear lord its terrible. I'm not the most discerning reader, and do read some rubbish, but this is 80s hype at its greatest.
...while COIE can be a real slog to read, by necessity there is a lot of dialogue explaining things, but with George at his peak its a visual delight. Overall a more mature read IMO, more satisfying, SW is the guilty pleasure type of book, dumb but fun.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 23:54:01 GMT -5
For me it's Secret Wars all the way. COIE has a throw in everything but the kitchen sink approach that is going to put off most people who aren't serious scholars of DC characters. At least Secret Wars makes sense as a self contained story.
Zeck, Layton and (wasn't Milgrom involved) all seem rushed in Secret Wars. The art is passable. COIE has better art but it seems to be much more broken up into smaller panels which does not do Perez's great artwork any favors.
Also I will fess up to being a defender of Secret Wars. I think it gets a bad rap. It's just a big fun superhero story and it all hangs together fairly well. It didn't force you to buy any tie ins. Nostalgia plays a part here because Secret Wars was one of the early series that I bought with my own money at the age of 8 or 9. I've looked at it more critically as an adult and while I admit it's no classic and has a lot of flaws....again it's just a big fun superhero story that I can still get a kick out of. And I do enjoy Crisis as well. But as a kid I remember paging through the 1st couple of issues (of Crisis) and none of it made any sense to me. Who are all of these people? Now I know which makes it a little more readable, but Crisis seems written for hardcore DC continuity adult fans. Secret Wars is something a kid or an adult could enjoy.
PS, to actually address the subject of this thread....I also prefer the SW covers issue by issue though there are a few mighty fine and iconic COIE covers as well!
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 22, 2014 3:49:32 GMT -5
Both were fun for me: just seeing all the heroes together like watching Super Friends or Merry Marvel Marching Society. It might have something to do with me being 6 and 8, respectively, when they came out...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 22, 2014 23:09:08 GMT -5
They were both awful. Secret Wars was an unreadable narcissistic mess.
Crisis was an unnecessary mess.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 22, 2014 23:11:43 GMT -5
They were both awful. Secret Wars was an unreadable narcissistic mess. Crisis was an unnecessary mess. Unnecessary or not I've always thought it was a well told story and that opening with the origin of the universe was fantastic. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 24, 2014 9:51:43 GMT -5
I think I enjoyed SW at the time but even then there were things I hated about it, particularly the treatment of the X-Men. Also the gratuitous romances (Wasp/Magneto, Lizard/Wasp (!)) and making some of the villains (Ultron, Klaw) look very silly.
I didn't know a lot of the DC stuff when I read Crisis but I will still blown away by the scale of their universe, how really massive it was. I loved the feeling of being immersed in all that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 14:30:50 GMT -5
Unnecessary or not I've always thought it was a well told story and that opening with the origin of the universe was fantastic. Hmm. I will beg to differ: "At last the anti-monitor is dead! Oh no, he's back and tougher than ever! Wail, gnash teeth, death, gloom. Oh wait, we've beaten him. But No! He's back and tougher than ever!" repeat and rinse. And I still think Anti-Monitor is the most stupid insipid name ever for any big-bad character. What does that name even mean - he's someone who rules the universe(s) by looking away? He triumphs over all, by not paying attention? Secret Wars was appalling crap (and SW2 was even worse) but COIE was a multiversal train-wreck |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 24, 2014 14:53:49 GMT -5
And I still think Anti-Monitor is the most stupid insipid name ever for any big-bad character. What does that name even mean - he's someone who rules the universe(s) by looking away? He triumphs over all, by not paying attention? Out of context it's a dumb name, but wasn't he created as a reflection of the existing Monitor(s)? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 24, 2014 15:03:03 GMT -5
And I still think Anti-Monitor is the most stupid insipid name ever for any big-bad character. What does that name even mean - he's someone who rules the universe(s) by looking away? He triumphs over all, by not paying attention? Out of context it's a dumb name, but wasn't he created as a reflection of the existing Monitor(s)? But The Monitor was created solely for Crisis. So they could have come up with a better name. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 24, 2014 15:16:40 GMT -5
I don't either is a particularly good story overall, but they both have their moments. SW has its last three issues, which are a pretty good Dr. Doom arc. CoIE also gets better towards its end, but I think the best part of it is actually "The Monitor Tapes" which run along the bottom panels in issue 9 or 10. Obviously, CoIE has the advantage of Perez art.
The real answer is "American Gothic" that was running concurrently with CoIE in Swamp Thing. I love the Constantine put-down that the Crisis was nothing, and the real show is coming.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 24, 2014 15:51:19 GMT -5
Out of context it's a dumb name, but wasn't he created as a reflection of the existing Monitor(s)? But The Monitor was created solely for Crisis. So they could have come up with a better name. Well, that's kind of why it's not as bad as it seems. If it only appears in Crisis (though I think he might have turned up in one of the more recent crises) then his name relates directly to the Monitor. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 16:18:19 GMT -5
But The Monitor was created solely for Crisis. So they could have come up with a better name. Well, that's kind of why it's not as bad as it seems. If it only appears in Crisis (though I think he might have turned up in one of the more recent crises) then his name relates directly to the Monitor. Well they brought the Monitors and Anti-Monitors for Blackest Night, Brightest Day, Crisis at 2:00 in the Afternoon, Brunch Crisis and just about every other Geoff Johns penned event the last 5-6 years too. -M |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 24, 2014 17:01:19 GMT -5
Well, that's kind of why it's not as bad as it seems. If it only appears in Crisis (though I think he might have turned up in one of the more recent crises) then his name relates directly to the Monitor. Well they brought the Monitors and Anti-Monitors for Blackest Night, Brightest Day, Crisis at 2:00 in the Afternoon, Brunch Crisis and just about every other Geoff Johns penned event the last 5-6 years too. -M Brunch crisis - They're out of mimosas and smoked salmon! The horrors! |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 24, 2014 17:13:52 GMT -5
Where is the Condiment King when you need him?
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