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Post by coke & comics on Feb 15, 2016 21:28:56 GMT -5
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up # 6, 7, and 8 are the greatest Team-Up Book story in Marvel history. You are the expert, so I will defer. I do love that arc. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 16, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -5
The beginning of Ultimate Spider-Man remains among my favorite comics, as does Ultimate Team-Up. Particularly the first 13 issues. But I really like the whole thing, up until the present (well until whatever the last trade I read is). Between that and his crime books like Goldfish, I thought Bendis was the best writer. But then I hated his Avengers, and we've since settled into something of an understanding where I just don't read his superhero comics (except Ultimate Spider-Man) but I will eagerly snatch up his next noir comic. Do you count his Daredevil run as superhero comics? They were really a crime comic in disguise, in my opinion. (And they're still my favourite Bendis work). |
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 16, 2016 11:58:36 GMT -5
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up # 6, 7, and 8 are the greatest Team-Up Book story in Marvel history. Were those the Jim Mahfood issues? No wait, that was just a one-off. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 16, 2016 12:42:26 GMT -5
No, Bill Sienkiewicz. The Mahfood FF story (which was also great!) was right after it, in # 9.
When I did a countdown of the best team-up book runs Claremont/Byrne was # 2 ahead of Ultimate (#3) overall - Although if I revised it today the Sholly Fisch Brave and the Bold would be right up there.
(Haney/Aparo was # 1. Haney/Adams was # 4, and I think Dematties/Gammil on Team-Up was # 5. After that I forget.)
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 17, 2016 0:49:20 GMT -5
The beginning of Ultimate Spider-Man remains among my favorite comics, as does Ultimate Team-Up. Particularly the first 13 issues. But I really like the whole thing, up until the present (well until whatever the last trade I read is). Between that and his crime books like Goldfish, I thought Bendis was the best writer. But then I hated his Avengers, and we've since settled into something of an understanding where I just don't read his superhero comics (except Ultimate Spider-Man) but I will eagerly snatch up his next noir comic. Do you count his Daredevil run as superhero comics? They were really a crime comic in disguise, in my opinion. (And they're still my favourite Bendis work). Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 1:03:47 GMT -5
Do you count his Daredevil run as superhero comics? They were really a crime comic in disguise, in my opinion. (And they're still my favourite Bendis work). Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. Have you read United States of Murder Inc. or Scarlet? Murder Inc. is alternate history crime noir with Oeming and very good. Scarlet is him teaming with Alex Maleev again. Both are from Icon, Marvel's creator-owned imprint. I was a big Bendis fan until Disassembled myself, and I still like a lot of his stuff, but he often misses on mainstream Marvel for me. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 17, 2016 6:38:54 GMT -5
Do you count his Daredevil run as superhero comics? They were really a crime comic in disguise, in my opinion. (And they're still my favourite Bendis work). Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. I can't believe I didn't even think of Alias! You're right: his writing post-Avengers is quite different from what it was on Goldfish, DD or Alias. I find the dialog remains generally just as good, but the plots... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 9:40:11 GMT -5
Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. I can't believe I didn't even think of Alias! You're right: his writing post-Avengers is quite different from what it was on Goldfish, DD or Alias. I find the dialog remains generally just as good, but the plots... Have you read Torso? It is based on the true story of the Cleveland Torso Murderer, and the efforts of the famous lawman Eliot Ness and his band of the "Unknowns" to capture him. I don't find it as good as Goldfish but I enjoyed it a lot. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 17, 2016 13:44:53 GMT -5
Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. I can't believe I didn't even think of Alias! You're right: his writing post-Avengers is quite different from what it was on Goldfish, DD or Alias. I find the dialog remains generally just as good, but the plots... The dialog is actually a big part of my issue with his later writing. I liked the voice he found for Goldfish or Jinx. I think he found a good voice for Jessica Jones. And was able to take his style and work it into a voice that worked for Luke Cage or Daredevil. But he didn't seem able to stretch that. And the voice he gave Captain America sounded wrong. Ditto She-Hulk and Hawkeye. He seems to have an ear for dialogue, or at least the type of dialogue he might overhear at a Cleveland dive bar. But I don't think Captain America sounds like one of his down-on-his-luck barfly pals. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 17, 2016 13:46:12 GMT -5
Prior to Avengers, I loved Bendis. I loved Daredevil. Both his original arc with Mack and his run with Maleev. I loved Alias. And Pulse. There was a moment in time when he was one of my favorite writers. Then he wrote Avengers. And House of M. And we came to the understanding I will read his books again when he returns to crime noir. Have you read United States of Murder Inc. or Scarlet? Murder Inc. is alternate history crime noir with Oeming and very good. Scarlet is him teaming with Alex Maleev again. Both are from Icon, Marvel's creator-owned imprint. I was a big Bendis fan until Disassembled myself, and I still like a lot of his stuff, but he often misses on mainstream Marvel for me. -M No. For some reason I'd never heard of them, actually. Which is odd, as I like to think I pay attention to things. And in the spirit of our agreement, I think I owe it to him to check them both out. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 17, 2016 16:33:26 GMT -5
I can't believe I didn't even think of Alias! You're right: his writing post-Avengers is quite different from what it was on Goldfish, DD or Alias. I find the dialog remains generally just as good, but the plots... The dialog is actually a big part of my issue with his later writing. I liked the voice he found for Goldfish or Jinx. I think he found a good voice for Jessica Jones. And was able to take his style and work it into a voice that worked for Luke Cage or Daredevil. But he didn't seem able to stretch that. And the voice he gave Captain America sounded wrong. Ditto She-Hulk and Hawkeye. He seems to have an ear for dialogue, or at least the type of dialogue he might overhear at a Cleveland dive bar. But I don't think Captain America sounds like one of his down-on-his-luck barfly pals. I actually like his Hawkeye, although I prefer Fraction's interpretation. What I enjoy about the Bendis-talk in Avengers and X-Men is the way he'll have these superheroes talk like normal people at times, in conversations that do not sound like comic-book declamations nor street talk trying too hard to be authentic. The chat between adult Cyclops and teenage Jean was pretty well done, IMO. Of course one also has to consider odd things like characters asking "why is this happening?" in the middle of a fight, or their acting completely out of character. Those are the times I wish there was still a Jim Shooter around, insisting on characters acting in character. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 17, 2016 17:11:32 GMT -5
Of course one also has to consider odd things like characters asking "why is this happening?" in the middle of a fight, or their acting completely out of character. Those are the times I wish there was still a Jim Shooter around, insisting on characters acting in character. As much as I liked Jim Shooter as the custodian of the Marvel and early Valiant universe, sometimes his methods only seemed to benefit the rapid end consumer, not the employees (citing the infamous ghost rider jesus incident of course); though I am aware at how much the old guard seemed to loathe him, John Byrne especially as the aforementioned incident might have just been someone trying to give Shooter a bad name I will say this much, the man is smart and knows how the business is run and how it should be run |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:03:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:46:06 GMT -5
Read the first 32 issues of USM. Probably the only stuff Bendis wrote that I liked. Read the first 6 issues of UXM & UFF. Just OK. However I loved the 26 issues of the Ultimates by Millar & Hitch.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on May 4, 2017 20:26:33 GMT -5
I read almost the entire run of the Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man series when I had Marvel Unlimited. I thought it was a decent series, although I don't remember much about it now.
Besides that, I read the first Ultimates story (which I didn't really like) and the Ultimate Captain America series by Jason Aaron and Ron Garney where Cap faces a very different version of Nuke (that one was pretty interesting).
I like the idea of Marvel and DC publishing comics set in worlds besides the main, "canon" one, but I think it works better in books like Sandman Mystery Theatre or Punisher MAX, where the authors aren't bogged down by continuity from a whole line of books.
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