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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 19, 2014 11:48:33 GMT -5
On the Allred thing, maybe I've just not seen enough of his work, because I seem to be the only one here who doesn't like it. I tried with X-Force and X-Statix, but it just didn't appeal to me at all, which is why I didn't pick up the recent FF or Silver Surfer (although, truth be told, I've never liked SS as a character, so it's more me avoiding SS than Allred). Actually, you're not totally alone. Allred's art is cause for an automatic veto for me when it comes to a buying decision, as was the case with the new SS series. It was recommended by my friend at the LCS, but I couldn't get past his art. Too undetailed and cartoony for my tastes. And, to open myself to the maximum scorn and cries of disbelief, I don't like Darwyn Cooke's art either. I don't own any New Frontier comics because of it. Everyone has their tastes. If we all liked the same things, discussions would be awfully boring. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 19, 2014 13:41:04 GMT -5
On the Allred thing, maybe I've just not seen enough of his work, because I seem to be the only one here who doesn't like it. I tried with X-Force and X-Statix, but it just didn't appeal to me at all, which is why I didn't pick up the recent FF or Silver Surfer (although, truth be told, I've never liked SS as a character, so it's more me avoiding SS than Allred). Actually, you're not totally alone. Allred's art is cause for an automatic veto for me when it comes to a buying decision, as was the case with the new SS series. It was recommended by my friend at the LCS, but I couldn't get past his art. Too undetailed and cartoony for my tastes. And, to open myself to the maximum scorn and cries of disbelief, I don't like Darwyn Cooke's art either. I don't own any New Frontier comics because of it. You've now named two of the three current artists that are almost automatic buys for me (though I wouldn't buy Before Watchmen). The third is Michael Lark. I suppose you don't like him either. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 19, 2014 13:56:21 GMT -5
Actually, you're not totally alone. Allred's art is cause for an automatic veto for me when it comes to a buying decision, as was the case with the new SS series. It was recommended by my friend at the LCS, but I couldn't get past his art. Too undetailed and cartoony for my tastes. And, to open myself to the maximum scorn and cries of disbelief, I don't like Darwyn Cooke's art either. I don't own any New Frontier comics because of it. You've now named two of the three current artists that are almost automatic buys for me (though I wouldn't buy Before Watchmen). The third is Michael Lark. I suppose you don't like him either. I have to admit, I didn't recognize the name Michael Lark. So I Googled him and found some examples of his: Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedIf these are representational of his work, then I have to say...I like it. |
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Post by impulse on Jun 19, 2014 14:10:42 GMT -5
I am a bit late to chime in, but you guys are discussing one of my absolute favorite times in comics. Coming off the 90s crapfest, Marvel was hungry and eager to impress again, and there was so much great, creative stuff coming out of then-indie Wildstorm. Morrison's New X-Men single-handedly got me back into comics after hiatus. Other than Claremont, I don't think anyone but Morrison has come close to nailing great X-Men. I do get that it's polarizing and was marred by some of the worst artwork I've seen published, but there was a dynamic energy and excitement the X-Books had then that they have never gotten back.
There were also some great satellite titles at the time. Exiles and PAD's X-Factor were two of my favorites until Winnick left Exiles. I didn't like Allred's art at the time, but it's grown on me. There is a simple, clean precision in his work that I really like.
I also really dug Joe Casey's Wildcats 2 and 3. Wildstorm was on top of its game then.
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Post by MDG on Jun 19, 2014 15:25:52 GMT -5
On the Allred thing, maybe I've just not seen enough of his work, because I seem to be the only one here who doesn't like it. I tried with X-Force and X-Statix, but it just didn't appeal to me at all, which is why I didn't pick up the recent FF or Silver Surfer (although, truth be told, I've never liked SS as a character, so it's more me avoiding SS than Allred). Actually, you're not totally alone. Allred's art is cause for an automatic veto for me when it comes to a buying decision, as was the case with the new SS series. It was recommended by my friend at the LCS, but I couldn't get past his art. Too undetailed and cartoony for my tastes. And, to open myself to the maximum scorn and cries of disbelief, I don't like Darwyn Cooke's art either. I don't own any New Frontier comics because of it. I haven't read a lot of superhero comics this century, but these are two of the artists where, when i see their work, I'm really tempted. (Been a fan of Allred since the Tundra(?) Madman mini.) I love the stylized art, which i think works better in comics than hyper-realism, and they both have a good sense of storytelling. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 19, 2014 15:32:30 GMT -5
I am a bit late to chime in, but you guys are discussing one of my absolute favorite times in comics. Coming off the 90s crapfest, Marvel was hungry and eager to impress again, and there was so much great, creative stuff coming out of then-indie Wildstorm. Morrison's New X-Men single-handedly got me back into comics after hiatus. Other than Claremont, I don't think anyone but Morrison has come close to nailing great X-Men. I do get that it's polarizing and was marred by some of the worst artwork I've seen published, but there was a dynamic energy and excitement the X-Books had then that they have never gotten back. I really liked Morrison's X-Men. It's in fact the only Morrison thing I like, apart from an odd issue of this and that here and there. The plots weren't all that original and many were retreads of Claremont classics, but the general direction was something new and fresh (and how odd it is to use these adjectives for a X-Men title). Droipping the superhero costumes was a great idea, and the biker day-glo colors worked in the modern world while harkening to the team's traditional uniforms. I wasn't in favour of Scott and Jean drifting apart, but it certainly wasn't something expected. Plus, Jean calling her husband "her best friend" as she lay dying was one of the most moving things I read in that comic. The book may have gone to far in the "alternative" society of the mutants; things like Darkstar's funeral, for example, didn't feel at all natural to me and probably wouldn't have felt natural to the people attending, mutant or not... these people are still mostly late XXth century Americans. But hey, it was experimental, and anything is better than a stale status quo. Pity about the Xorn debacle, though. First I really liked Xorn, and screwing up Magneto like that went against decades of character maturation. And there was no way he'd stay dead for good. (Did he stay dead for ten minutes, even?) |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 19, 2014 20:38:23 GMT -5
Actually, you're not totally alone. Allred's art is cause for an automatic veto for me when it comes to a buying decision, as was the case with the new SS series. It was recommended by my friend at the LCS, but I couldn't get past his art. Too undetailed and cartoony for my tastes. And, to open myself to the maximum scorn and cries of disbelief, I don't like Darwyn Cooke's art either. I don't own any New Frontier comics because of it. You've now named two of the three current artists that are almost automatic buys for me (though I wouldn't buy Before Watchmen). The third is Michael Lark. I suppose you don't like him either. I've been a huge fan of Lark's work since Terminal City, but for some reason, I can't stand his current work on Lazarus. He's refined his line so much that it seems too slick to me right now. It seems closer to current Gulacy to me than vintage Lark. (Obviously, I'm virtually alone on this assessment of Lark's work. Also, I love vintage Gulacy, just not much over the past twenty years.) |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 19, 2014 21:14:27 GMT -5
True. These are the few mutant titles I've liked in years, though there may be more, like Ellis' Generation X, that I never read. Allred is so good. Love his style, and Marvel is using him a good amount currently. I'm even tempted to try the current Silver Surfer mostly because of him, though my dislike of Matt Fraction kept me from FF. has been very good so far. It hasn't followed the usual dour, navel-gazing pattern of the past, but a fast paced take where the SS is paired with a feisty human woman. I fear that pattern may get old after a while, but right now, it's firing on all cylinders. Well, I've only read a little of Slott's Spider-Man, but I certainly think he's pretty clever. If anyone could pull it off, it's probably him. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 23, 2014 18:43:06 GMT -5
1967 is done. On to '68!
Cei-U!
I summon the light at the end of the tunnel!
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 23, 2014 19:31:07 GMT -5
The first 24 issues of Peter Milligan's Shade - i totally forgot how good this is - just genius. No villains as such except himself, insecurity and dark personality flaws, disturbing sex, a stranger in the american nightmare. A complete head trip and some really fine moody art by chris bachalo.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 27, 2014 10:51:14 GMT -5
1968 issues are done. Just '69 and a fraction of '70 to go!
Cei-U!
I summon the clear sailing!
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Post by paulie on Jun 27, 2014 13:28:24 GMT -5
The first 24 issues of Peter Milligan's Shade - i totally forgot how good this is - just genius. No villains as such except himself, insecurity and dark personality flaws, disturbing sex, a stranger in the american nightmare. A complete head trip and some really fine moody art by chris bachalo. Here's another one to file under 'Dying in one of Paul's long boxes'
I need to break these out. They've been recommended to me before.
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 27, 2014 13:38:36 GMT -5
The first 24 issues of Peter Milligan's Shade - i totally forgot how good this is - just genius. No villains as such except himself, insecurity and dark personality flaws, disturbing sex, a stranger in the american nightmare. A complete head trip and some really fine moody art by chris bachalo. Here's another one to file under 'Dying in one of Paul's long boxes'
I need to break these out. They've been recommended to me before.
Report back if you do - it's been a good while since i read something this tripped out - i'd be interested to see what other people think |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 27, 2014 14:59:46 GMT -5
I mentioned awhile back that I'm reading the Bob Haney/Jim Aparo run on Brave and the Bold. What I'm doing is every time I come across a Batman team-up featuring a character who's origin issue I've never read, I try to read it if I have access to it. (Characters like Metamorpho, the Metal Men, etc.)
It's making the process fun. I decided to stop right before the Batman/Demon team-up and finally read the Kirby Demon issues now that I have the collection. (Looking at the cover dates, Kirby's Demon was virtually over by the time of the B&B issue, so it lines up well)
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Post by paulie on Jun 27, 2014 15:17:08 GMT -5
I mentioned awhile back that I'm reading the Bob Haney/Jim Aparo run on Brave and the Bold. What I'm doing is every time I come across a Batman team-up featuring a character who's origin issue I've never read, I try to read it if I have access to it. (Characters like Metamorpho, the Metal Men, etc.) It's making the process fun. I decided to stop right before the Batman/Demon team-up and finally read the Kirby Demon issues now that I have the collection. (Looking at the cover dates, Kirby's Demon was virtually over by the time of the B&B issue, so it lines up well) Few things in life are as fun as reading Zany Bob Haney Brave and the Bold stories. |
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