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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 3, 2014 5:03:56 GMT -5
Conway did Atari Force. Nuff said. True, but to be honest when I think about how good Atari Force was, the name that comes to mind is José Luis Garcia-López!
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 3, 2014 6:16:28 GMT -5
Does anyone else get annoyed when younger fans review old comics and NEVER fail to point out that the writing style is "dated"? This sort of thing never bothered me, even as a kid; I understood that if I'm watching a movie from the 40's, speech patterns, dialog, even the amount of exposition will be different from what was going on around me. This seems to me to be an extremely superficial and transitory aspect of comics to get irked about. How do people like this ever get through novels? What makes you think they do?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 3, 2014 9:39:36 GMT -5
If Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter and Meghan Kelley qualify as journalists ... That's a pretty big "if."
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Post by berkley on Jul 3, 2014 11:48:00 GMT -5
Does anyone else get annoyed when younger fans review old comics and NEVER fail to point out that the writing style is "dated"? This sort of thing never bothered me, even as a kid; I understood that if I'm watching a movie from the 40's, speech patterns, dialog, even the amount of exposition will be different from what was going on around me. This seems to me to be an extremely superficial and transitory aspect of comics to get irked about. How do people like this ever get through novels? What makes you think they do? Exactly. I think that many of the people who make comments of that kind just aren't used to reading much of anything outside their very narrow comfort zone.
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Post by travishedgecoke on Jul 3, 2014 15:22:35 GMT -5
Any time you see someone talk about a dated style, I think you have to assume they have fairly limited/specific tastes. Nothing wrong with that, but as a criticism "dated" is pretty weak for me. It's rarely about era, so much as just the person's style. Marv Wolfman gets the "dated" thing for a lot of his work, and I've seen Perez's 70s work called "less-dated" than his 80s, often enough.
I always end up wondering, though, if there's a financial angle in it, too. I have to admit, much as I like stuff from all different eras, part of that's because buying older movies can be cheap, quarter bins were my go to at comics shops, the free stations on TV are usually rerun-happy. I loved 70s Detective Comics and Lois Lane when I was a kid, because they were often in the cheap bins and stuffed with reprints as well as then-new stories, but even the then-new were by the time I had them fifteen or twenty years old. If I could've afforded more new comics, if we didn't have old comics or old movies sitting around all the time at home, would I have felt this mysterious "it's dated" thing?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 3, 2014 16:21:01 GMT -5
When I hear someone dismissing the Silver Age or the Bronze Age and using any critical phrase like dated, I wonder how some of today's classics are going to look in a few decades. I can't imagine how something like "The Long Halloween" is going to look after the nostalgia has worn off, and it's being judged on its own merits. It has so many holes, so many things that don't make sense, and then there's a number of just-plain-bad characterizations, starting with how inept the Batman is that he can't solve the murders.
And then there's the problem of the extreme decompression. So many average (at best) stories are dragged to 4, 5 or 6 issues for no other reason than to fill out a trade, and sometimes these stories just fall apart at the seams when examined critically. It may not be an issue to the young people who have grown up with it, but it is not going to age well, even if the art is as slick as most of the art is today. (My problem with most of today's comic artists is how they kind of all look the same. I don't think that's going to help either.)
Death of the Family is an example of a story that was actually pretty good for the current state of comics. It was much better than the Court of the Owls. But Death of the Family wasn't really that great. Bill Finger probably wrote forty or fifty Joker stories that are better than Death of the Family.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2014 21:06:24 GMT -5
Read the Hard Cover of Captain Britain on our weekend trip to New Hampshire.. good stuff... very, very different from the Captain Britain I know from Excalibur, that's for sure.. he's really almost a British version of Spiderman in the early (Claremont) issues. IT does go down hill as it moves along, but the Cap/Nick Fury team up was really fun, and the first couple stories were really good.
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Post by bashbash99 on Jul 7, 2014 12:35:01 GMT -5
Read the Hard Cover of Captain Britain on our weekend trip to New Hampshire.. good stuff... very, very different from the Captain Britain I know from Excalibur, that's for sure.. he's really almost a British version of Spiderman in the early (Claremont) issues. IT does go down hill as it moves along, but the Cap/Nick Fury team up was really fun, and the first couple stories were really good. Sounds like a good read! I have a TPB of the Alan Moore and own the New Mutants/ X-men annuals & Captain America issues included, but there's a lot of material in there I'm not familiar with. I guess I hadn't realized Chris Claremont's role despite knowing about his involvement with Xcaliber. Also, I'm more familiar with Jamie Delano's work on vertigo stuff so it would be interesting to see how he handles Captain Britain. And of course you can't go wrong with alan davis! I've been making my way thru the Fabulous Furry Freak Omnibus I bought awhile back. Great stuff altho I find it better in small doses so I'm just reading a few pages now and then... a little goes a long way!! I do wish the book was oversized as the small print can muddle both art and text, particularly for the Fat Freddy's cat strips in the margins. Still, its nice to have the material collected in one fairly sturdy volume, as opposed to the old beat-up reprint issues I've had since college (they got handed around quite a bit back then - it was the early 90s but I guess this material doesn't go out of style, at least among college kids!). I do find the earlier material more enjoyable than recent tales like "the idiots abroad". The latest "story" has the hirsute trio evicted (again) and going their separate ways: Phineas moves back in with his parents, and of course his dad is the head of the local John Birch Society chapter... Fat Freddy also tries to heads for his folks, ends up meeting a hot chick who turns out to be his sister (kind of reminiscent of Theon in GoT, altho I'm guessing the "hot babe turns out to be my sister" trope goes back a lot further than FFFB)... and Freewheelin Franklin hitches a ride with a suburban looking dude who happens to have 150 kilos in the truck's trailer!
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 7, 2014 13:21:52 GMT -5
I've been meaning to get that omnibus, but I think I've got most of the material in there. I'd love to see the movie they made back in the 70's I think.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 7, 2014 13:37:15 GMT -5
Reading the big Titan book collecting the start of Burne Hogarth's Tarzan Sunday pages has made my early mornings a much happier time nowadays. Great stuff, and it just keeps going and going.
Titan books is doing a great job, what with this and Jack Katz' First Kingdom hardcovers.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 7, 2014 15:50:25 GMT -5
I never dreamed Katz' First Kingdom would get a hardcover treatment, though it richly deserves it.
I've got most of the black and white issues from decades ago bought directly from Bud Plant, but I don't think I have the last few. Good luck finding those.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 7, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
I've been reading back issues of the '90s Eclipso series that I found in a quarter bin. I mostly picked them up because I saw that #8 was illustrated by Ted McKeever, one of my favorite creators. It's an interesting book, more in line with the stuff that Karen Berger was overseeing than the rest of the DCU at the time. I'm not surprised that it didn't catch on-- Giffen would have a run of bad luck with books throughout the '90s-- but I am surprised that there's almost no discussion of the book at all. There's a lot of psychological horror and examination of the roots of violent behavior. Again, more interesting than good, but thought-provoking enough that I can't believe it doesn't have the cult status of even something like John Smith's Scarab or Ann Nocenti's Kid Eternity.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 7, 2014 19:50:47 GMT -5
I recently gave up on my read-through of Uncanny X-Men around issue #350, as I'd already read the issues starting with #281 and just got bored rereading the series.
So, after going a couple of months reading random series and issues to cleanse my palate, I started a major project tonight. I'm going to read the entire Captain America series from late-Tales of Suspense up through the end of Brubaker's run, which I read as it was coming out but could stand to reread it.
I started with Tales of Suspense #82 tonight (just the Cap portions, which I have in Cap's Masterworks #2) and got through #95. Really liked Kirby's art at this period, as most of my other experiences with him (Black Panther, Eternals) did nothing for me; the work in ToS was much more "normal" instead of the oddly-misshapen forms that I'd encountered in those later books.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 7, 2014 22:13:36 GMT -5
I recently gave up on my read-through of Uncanny X-Men around issue #350, as I'd already read the issues starting with #281 and just got bored rereading the series. So, after going a couple of months reading random series and issues to cleanse my palate, I started a major project tonight. I'm going to read the entire Captain America series from late-Tales of Suspense up through the end of Brubaker's run, which I read as it was coming out but could stand to reread it. I started with Tales of Suspense #82 tonight (just the Cap portions, which I have in Cap's Masterworks #2) and got through #95. Really liked Kirby's art at this period, as most of my other experiences with him (Black Panther, Eternals) did nothing for me; the work in ToS was much more "normal" instead of the oddly-misshapen forms that I'd encountered in those later books. By the late 70's, Kirby was dealing with a degenerative eye condition. That's what caused the distortion in his later art.
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Post by Action Ace on Jul 7, 2014 22:16:07 GMT -5
Animated Batman comics... all 151 of them.
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