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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 14:48:48 GMT -5
I read The New Adventures of Superboy #54. This is the last issue of this series, and it must have been cancelled abruptly, because there are a couple of major plotlines left unresolved. First, there's the love triangle with Clark, Lisa Davis (I wish Clark had married Lisa! She's sooo much nicer than Lana or Lois! She's kind and sweet and actually likes Clark for himself - she's not the least bit interested in Superboy!) as Lana all of a sudden becomes interested in Clark after he starts dating Lisa. Then, there's the plotline where the crooked city council president is trying to get a deal approved to sell a bunch of his land just outside town sold to some real estate developers who want to build a mall, because he stands to make millions. Pa Kent is convinced to run for city council to get the deal nixed (which will almost certainly put most of the small local stores out of business, including Pa Kent's store!) and "somebody" (who is of course the city council president) tries to scare Pan Kent into not running, even going so far as to hire thugs to threaten Pan Kent's life. I really loved the fact that they started focusing on the Smallville supporting cast in recent issues. This makes it more interesting than a bunch of superhero fights, and also makes it seem more like a real, live town. There was also a nice subplot where some kid who had temporarily been a supervillain gets shunned by some of the local boys (so we get to see more of Clark's schoolmates) and the local bully who usually picks on Clark actually goes against type and allows this pariah to play ball with them! much to Clark's (and our) surprised and delight. What a shame that this series got cancelled as it was getting good! This was 1984 so I think it was too soon for Crisis on Infinite Earths to be the cause, plus in the letter column they announced an upcoming Superboy/Supergirl special, so they obviously weren't ready to sacrifice those to to COIE just yet. By the way, as far as I can tell, that Superboy/Supergirl Special (I think they even said it would be 48 pages) never happened as far as I could tell. I wasn't able to find any evidence of it on comics.org, anyway. The way I've heard it per Paul Kupperberg, the plan was to cancel both Superboy and Supergirl (which did happen with issues #54 and #23 respectively) and then launch a combined new title called DC Double Comics which would have individual stories with each character (attempting to boost overall sales being the driver for this approach). Supposedly it was in fact the planning for Crisis that halted this since later in 1984 they had already worked out that both characters would not exist in the new continuity. I'm not sure if this content is posted somewhere else online, but this book contains the planned scripts for each character's stories for first 2 issues, plus the never released New Adventures of Superboy #55. www.amazon.com/Unpublished-Comic-Book-Scripts-Kupperberg/dp/0692453881
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Post by dbutler69 on Oct 24, 2022 9:53:28 GMT -5
I read The New Adventures of Superboy #54. This is the last issue of this series, and it must have been cancelled abruptly, because there are a couple of major plotlines left unresolved. First, there's the love triangle with Clark, Lisa Davis (I wish Clark had married Lisa! She's sooo much nicer than Lana or Lois! She's kind and sweet and actually likes Clark for himself - she's not the least bit interested in Superboy!) as Lana all of a sudden becomes interested in Clark after he starts dating Lisa. Then, there's the plotline where the crooked city council president is trying to get a deal approved to sell a bunch of his land just outside town sold to some real estate developers who want to build a mall, because he stands to make millions. Pa Kent is convinced to run for city council to get the deal nixed (which will almost certainly put most of the small local stores out of business, including Pa Kent's store!) and "somebody" (who is of course the city council president) tries to scare Pan Kent into not running, even going so far as to hire thugs to threaten Pan Kent's life. I really loved the fact that they started focusing on the Smallville supporting cast in recent issues. This makes it more interesting than a bunch of superhero fights, and also makes it seem more like a real, live town. There was also a nice subplot where some kid who had temporarily been a supervillain gets shunned by some of the local boys (so we get to see more of Clark's schoolmates) and the local bully who usually picks on Clark actually goes against type and allows this pariah to play ball with them! much to Clark's (and our) surprised and delight. What a shame that this series got cancelled as it was getting good! This was 1984 so I think it was too soon for Crisis on Infinite Earths to be the cause, plus in the letter column they announced an upcoming Superboy/Supergirl special, so they obviously weren't ready to sacrifice those to to COIE just yet. By the way, as far as I can tell, that Superboy/Supergirl Special (I think they even said it would be 48 pages) never happened as far as I could tell. I wasn't able to find any evidence of it on comics.org, anyway. The way I've heard it per Paul Kupperberg, the plan was to cancel both Superboy and Supergirl (which did happen with issues #54 and #23 respectively) and then launch a combined new title called DC Double Comics which would have individual stories with each character (attempting to boost overall sales being the driver for this approach). Supposedly it was in fact the planning for Crisis that halted this since later in 1984 they had already worked out that both characters would not exist in the new continuity. I'm not sure if this content is posted somewhere else online, but this book contains the planned scripts for each character's stories for first 2 issues, plus the never released New Adventures of Superboy #55. www.amazon.com/Unpublished-Comic-Book-Scripts-Kupperberg/dp/0692453881Awesome!! Thanks for the info! Yes, I think they did state that the tentative title was DC Double Comics though I had gotten the impression (or maybe I incorrectly inferred) that it was a one shot. Now I am sorely tempted to get The Unpublished Comic Book Scripts of Paul Kupperberg!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 19:39:06 GMT -5
Read Fantastic Four #51 for the first time. I'd seen the cover loads of times but never ventured into the actual issue before.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 20:06:27 GMT -5
Read Fantastic Four #51 for the first time. I'd seen the cover loads of times but never ventured into the actual issue before. That's probably my favorite FF issue ever, can't even really explain why, it just is. Welcome to the forum BTW, nice avatar!
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Post by Batflunkie on Oct 25, 2022 20:52:35 GMT -5
Read Fantastic Four #51 for the first time. I'd seen the cover loads of times but never ventured into the actual issue before. I'm slowly making my way thru the original FF run and I'm greatly anticipating Annual #3 (Reed & Sue's Wedding), The Galactus Trilogy, and your post, This Man, This Monster
Also, welcome to the forum!~ Always nice to see another forum poster with a TMNT inspired avatar
I just got done reading Thor #300 and #301
So much great stuff in these issues and I'm really thankful that they cleaned house on a lot of the hanging plot threads that were left over from Conway's tenure and even adding new elements to past stories that elevated them further (Odin actually sending Thor after Galactus to see if he was a Celestial and Destroyer and the Odin Sword actually being created to stop the Celestials if they even deemed the human race unfit to continue)
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 26, 2022 5:42:01 GMT -5
I guarantee you'll be disappointed qith FF Annual #3: sloppy plotting, sloppy art, the best part is the villain pin-up pages.
Cei-U! I summon the serious letdown!
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 26, 2022 6:24:19 GMT -5
I guarantee you'll be disappointed qith FF Annual #3: sloppy plotting, sloppy art, the best part is the villain pin-up pages. Cei-U! I summon the serious letdown! Cmon Kurt, I love the wedding with the mindless fighting.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 26, 2022 12:48:34 GMT -5
The mighty Thor #134-135.
It never ceases to amaze me... How Jack Kirby could create classic characters and concepts one after the other, bam-bam-bam-bam, without breaking a sweat. Characters that would be re-used, rehashed, exploited and (eventually) ruined by less talented people over the course of decades. And Stan Lee's grandiloquent dialogs, added to Kirby's concepts, made for a truly unique reading experience.
Here we meet the High Evolutionary and his New Men for the first time. Nothing is said about the High Evolutionary's origin; nothing needs be said. As Isaac Asimov once explained, one key to a good story is that the author must know when to start: too much background information before the main event puts people to sleep, and too little causes readers not to understand what's going on. An author must find the Goldilocks zone where the tale begins.
Here the timing is just perfect: a strange being with great scientific acumen (who are a dime a dozen in comics, so we get the idea) is able to "evolve" animals into more advanced life forms. Nothing more need be said! In fact, if we tried to give the High Evolutionary a proper origin to make him more realistic, we would fail; we would fail because it's not possible to create a machine that "evolves" living things! That's not how evolution works! And no amount of name-dropping about science degrees at MIT or in a Hydra secret base would make the concept more palatable.
Much better, I think, to just accept it: there must be a rational explanation to the High Evolutionary's existence and another for the way his machines work, but they're irrelevant to the story itself and we don't need to dwell on them. Way to go, Stan and Jack! On to the action!
One thing that struck me is how the story's villain, the Man-Beast, is strikingly different from (and much more awesome than) his later appearances in Warlock. Man-Beast is a wolf that was changed by the High Evolutionary's tech, and in Warlock he was presented as looking a bit like Man-Wolf; a shaggy human with a wolfish head, a bad attitude, and some mental powers. But in these issues of Thor, he's way more interesting.
First, he's not shaggy at all for all that his skin is orange-brown. He looks kind of glossy. He does have somewhat lupine features, but doesn't look like a werewolf. He looks strange and distressingly alien. Even more interestingly, as per Stan and Jack's story, he's not a mere wolf evolved by the High Evolutionary; he's a wolf who, like the H.E. some time later, was pushed to the limit of the system (due to, in a typically ridiculous fashion, Thor interrupting the experiment with his complaints about his girlfriend's whereabouts. Comics in those days just loved those nonsensical plot twists).
The Man-Beast is thus not only a wolf who looks more like a man than his ancestors; he's the ultimate version of a living being, or at least the closest to it you can get when starting with wolf material. That's no doubt why he's strikingly dissimilar to dogs who went through the H.E.'s evolutionary process, even though wolves and dogs belong to the same species, Canis lupus. (Self-conceited that we are, we humans naturally assume that the same process applied to someone would produce a creature more divine-looking, which doesn't make much sense, but that's how we got the "modern" H.E. eventually). Man-Beast, accordingly, is at first MUCH more powerful than his creator, who is still just a smart human; he's not only very strong and agile, but also has incredible mental powers.
It is unfortunate that Man-Beast's full potential was not often used in Warlock, where he mostly played the role of telepathic werewolf. It explains better, however, how he could sometimes manifest reality-bending abilities and play the role of Satan convincingly in Adam Warlock's ersatz Temptations in the Desert (back in The Power of Warlock #2).
Given their respective origins, it also means that Man-Beast was biologically more advanced than Warlock himself, even if the latter was built in a lab to be a perfect version of a human being or something. I had always assumed that Man-Beast was, you know, just a Wolf 2.0. But no, he was probably on the level of many of Marvel's cosmic beings.
Anyway... another lovely creative frenzy by the architects of the Mighty Marvel age of comics.
Say, wasn't Thor featured in this comic? Yes, probably. I got distracted!
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Post by spoon on Oct 26, 2022 14:15:24 GMT -5
Read Fantastic Four #51 for the first time. I'd seen the cover loads of times but never ventured into the actual issue before. I'm slowly making my way thru the original FF run and I'm greatly anticipating Annual #3 (Reed & Sue's Wedding), The Galactus Trilogy, and your post, This Man, This Monster
I like #51 a lot more than the Galactus Trilogy that preceded it.
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Post by Farrar on Oct 26, 2022 16:17:32 GMT -5
I guarantee you'll be disappointed qith FF Annual #3: sloppy plotting, sloppy art, the best part is the villain pin-up pages. Cei-U! I summon the serious letdown! FF Annual #3 didn't have villain pin-ups...though of course many Marvel baddies popped up in the story itself You're probably thinking of the earlier FF annuals, FF Annual #1 and #2, both of which had villain pin-up pages.
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Post by Batflunkie on Oct 26, 2022 17:23:06 GMT -5
The mighty Thor #134-135.It never ceases to amaze me... How Jack Kirby could create classic characters and concepts one after the other, bam-bam-bam-bam, without breaking a sweat. Characters that would be re-used, rehashed, exploited and (eventually) ruined by less talented people over the course of decades. And Stan Lee's grandiloquent dialogs, added to Kirby's concepts, made for a truly unique reading experience. Here we meet the High Evolutionary and his New Men for the first time. Nothing is said about the High Evolutionary's origin; nothing needs be said. As Isaac Asimov once explained, one key to a good story is that the author must know when to start: too much background information before the main event puts people to sleep, and too little causes readers not to understand what's going on. An author must find the Goldilocks zone where the tale begins. Here the timing is just perfect: a strange being with great scientific acumen (who are a dime a dozen in comics, so we get the idea) is able to "evolve" animals into more advanced life forms. Nothing more need be said! In fact, if we tried to give the High Evolutionary a proper origin to make him more realistic, we would fail; we would fail b ecause it's not possible to create a machine that "evolves" living things! That's not how evolution works! And no amount of name-dropping about science degrees at MIT or in a Hydra secret base would make the concept more palatable. Much better, I think, to just accept it: there must be a rational explanation to the High Evolutionary's existence and another for the way his machines work, but they're irrelevant to the story itself and we don't need to dwell on them. Way to go, Stan and Jack! On to the action! One thing that struck me is how the story's villain, the Man-Beast, is strikingly different from (and much more awesome than) his later appearances in Warlock. Man-Beast is a wolf that was changed by the High Evolutionary's tech, and in Warlock he was presented as looking a bit like Man-Wolf; a shaggy human with a wolfish head, a bad attitude, and some mental powers. But in these issues of Thor, he's way more interesting. First, he's not shaggy at all for all that his skin is orange-brown. He looks kind of glossy. He does have somewhat lupine features, but doesn't look like a werewolf. He looks strange and distressingly alien. Even more interestingly, as per Stan and Jack's story, he's not a mere wolf evolved by the High Evolutionary; he's a wolf who, like the H.E. himself a bit later, was pushed to the limit of the system (due to, in a typically ridiculous fashion, Thor interrupting the experiment with his complaints about his girlfriend's whereabouts. Comics in those days just loved those nonsensical plot twists). The Man-Beast is thus not only a wolf who looks more like a man than his ancestors; he's the ultimate version of a living being, or at least the closest to it you can get when starting with wolf material. That's no doubt why he's strikingly dissimilar to dogs who went through the H.E.'s evolutionary process, even though wolves and dogs belong to the same species, Canis lupus. (Self-conceited that we are, we humans naturally assume that the same process applied to someone would produce a creature more divine-looking, which doesn't make much sense, but that's how we got the "modern" H.E. by that story's end). Man-Beast, accordingly, is at first MUCH more powerful than his creator, who is still just a smart human; he's not only very strong and agile, but also has incredible mental powers. It is unfortunate that Man-Beast's full potential was not often used in Warlock, where he mostly played the role of telepathic werewolf. It explains better, however, how he could sometimes manifest reality-bending abilities and play the role of Satan convincingly in Adam Warlock's ersatz Temptations in the Desert (back in The Power of Warlock #2). Given their respective origins, it also means that Man-Beast was biologically more advanced than Warlock himself, even if the latter was built in a lab to be a perfect version of a human being or something. I had always assumed that Man-Beast was, you know, just a Wolf 2.0. But no, he was probably on the level of many of Marvel's cosmic beings. Anyway... another lovely creative frenzy by the architects of the Mighty Marvel age of comics. Say, wasn't Thor featured in this comic? Yes, probably. I got distracted! One thing that I found weird about Silver Age Thor was all the sci-fi elements in a story about gods, but I did grow to appreciate it as I continued on reading
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 26, 2022 17:44:37 GMT -5
I guarantee you'll be disappointed qith FF Annual #3: sloppy plotting, sloppy art, the best part is the villain pin-up pages. Cei-U! I summon the serious letdown! FF Annual #3 didn't have villain pin-ups...though of course many Marvel baddies popped up in the story itself You're probably thinking of the earlier FF annuals, FF Annual #1 and #2, both of which had villain pin-up pages. You are correct, sir! I stand duly chastised and chagrined. Of course, this means FF Annual 3 has no best part, unless you count the reprints of FF #s 6 and 11,
Cei-U! I summon the goof (meaning the error, not he who made the error)!
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Post by majestic on Oct 26, 2022 18:46:13 GMT -5
Finally got to read the tabloid sized Superman vs Wonder Woman story from 1977 and it only took me 45 years to finally read it!
I LOVED all those tabloid sized comics from DC & Marvel back in the 70's but sometimes they were hard to find on the news stand back then. They were also hard to find as back issues due to their unusual size. So this one I never got to read. I recently bought it for a great price.
It is an Earth 2 story set in 1942. It is by Gerry Conway & Jose Luis Garcia Lopez. It was a decent WWII themed story but of course the beautiful art by JLGL in an oversized format is the main reason for getting this.
So happy I got to finally get a book I waited to read for over 4 decades!
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 27, 2022 6:23:15 GMT -5
Finally got to read the tabloid sized Superman vs Wonder Woman story from 1977 and it only took me 45 years to finally read it! I LOVED all those tabloid sized comics from DC & Marvel back in the 70's but sometimes they were hard to find on the news stand back then. They were also hard to find as back issues due to their unusual size. So this one I never got to read. I recently bought it for a great price. It is an Earth 2 story set in 1942. It is by Gerry Conway & Jose Luis Garcia Lopez. It was a decent WWII themed story but of course the beautiful art by JLGL in an oversized format is the main reason for getting this. So happy I got to finally get a book I waited to read for over 4 decades! One of my favorites. My copy is signed by JLGL himself, an ansolutely lovely gent I was fortunate enough to meet a few years back.
Cei-U! I summon the cherished classic!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 27, 2022 9:38:54 GMT -5
I’m reading Lois Lane #105 to #130, the Rose and Thorn issues. A little Lois Lane goes a long way, so I’m reading three or four issues a week. I’m up to #114, so I’ve read the story where Lois turns Black for one issue and the one where she adopts a Native American baby.
#113 is all reprints from the early 1960s, and it’s giant-sized! I love this stuff, but it took me a few days to read it because it turns your brain to mush.
And then in #114, Lois returns to Little Africa for a sequel to “I Am Curious (Black)!” and meets some of the people from the original story. The 100 is trying to discredit the Black community because they are protesting the construction of a high-rise office building that the 100 wants to use as a criminal front for their criminal activities. So of course, the Thorn is involved because she’s Metropolis’s great crusader against the 100.
And Morgan Edge is encouraging the Daily Planet staff to expose the 100 because he wants his own clandestine criminal cartel - Inter-Gang! - to be at the top of the heap in Metropolis!
(Of course, we all know it isn’t really Morgan Edge! A later issue will reveal that it’s an evil double created by Darkseid. The real Morgan Edge is a prisoner in a small jail cell in his own penthouse!)
There’s also a reprint where Lois turns into a reptile-girl but I was already exhausted at that point, so I’m saving it for tonight.
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