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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 15, 2017 11:11:44 GMT -5
He also said he liked Tom Palmer's inking, even if as far as I'm concerned Tom didn't ink like John at all! Is that true? Palmer didn't like J Buscema ? You've misread what RR wrote. He's saying that Palmer's inking style is so far removed from Buscema's own that he (RR) is surprised Big John liked Tom's finishes. At his last appearance at San Diego before his death, Buscema mentioned Frank Giacoia as another inker he felt "got" his pencils. Cei-U! I summon the curmudgeonly concession!
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 15, 2017 11:18:39 GMT -5
" Whew"
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Post by berkley on Apr 15, 2017 15:42:03 GMT -5
Is that true? Palmer didn't like J Buscema ? You've misread what RR wrote. He's saying that Palmer's inking style is so far removed from Buscema's own that he (RR) is surprised Big John liked Tom's finishes. At his last appearance at San Diego before his death, Buscema mentioned Frank Giacoia as another inker he felt "got" his pencils. Cei-U! I summon the curmudgeonly concession! That's interesting about Giacoia. I can't remember off the top of my head any extended runs or even individual comics where he and J. Buscema worked together. ANyone have any suggestions where one might see them combining their talents?
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 15, 2017 17:05:43 GMT -5
You've misread what RR wrote. He's saying that Palmer's inking style is so far removed from Buscema's own that he (RR) is surprised Big John liked Tom's finishes. At his last appearance at San Diego before his death, Buscema mentioned Frank Giacoia as another inker he felt "got" his pencils. Cei-U! I summon the curmudgeonly concession! That's interesting about Giacoia. I can't remember off the top of my head any extended runs or even individual comics where he and J. Buscema worked together. ANyone have any suggestions where one might see them combining their talents? Sub-Mariner #1-5, Avengers #85 (and the covers of #57-58 and Annual #2), Strange Tales #150. Cei-U! I stuff the suggestion box!
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Post by berkley on Apr 16, 2017 2:09:10 GMT -5
That's interesting about Giacoia. I can't remember off the top of my head any extended runs or even individual comics where he and J. Buscema worked together. ANyone have any suggestions where one might see them combining their talents? Sub-Mariner #1-5, Avengers #85 (and the covers of #57-58 and Annual #2), Strange Tales #150. Cei-U! I stuff the suggestion box! ooh, the cover to Avengers Annual #2 is proof enough all by itself. I don't think I've read the Sub-Mariners or Avengers #85, even though I was reading the Avengers series around that time. An extra reason to pay attention to the art whenever I do get to read them!
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 16, 2017 9:28:22 GMT -5
Sinnott made everyone look great (especially Kirby). His inks on J B on the FF couldn't be beat. Buscema didn't like anyone's inks but his own. He tolerated his brother Sal's. I think Stan liked using Sinnott to maintain a "house look," especially on flagship titles. And he was able to "slickify" Kirby without losing what made Kirby unique. Buscema seems to have liked a "rougher" style, maybe to maintain spontaneity. A lot of people love Alacala's inks on JB, but that was probably antithetical to what he really wanted. Too fussy. Roy Thomas used Alacala because it gave JB a denser look in black and white for Savage Sword. He wanted to maintain the look BWS had on Red nails. I thought they were sensational. JB's dislike for inkers is famous. But his criteria is not the same as the readers and we can appreciate the symbiosis of penciller and inker in a different way than the artist. On the other hand, i never liked Ernie Chan's inks on Buscema.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 16, 2017 9:32:07 GMT -5
Sal and Kirby liked Giacoia too. I always thought of him as a journeyman inker. Not bad, but no snap like Sinnott or Palmer.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 16, 2017 13:22:27 GMT -5
When I read Silver Age and Bronze Age comics, I frequently skip the splash page and turn to an interior page and see if I can identify the artists on pencils and inks. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes I have a bit of a question mark in my head.
Giacoia is an inker I really like but I generally have trouble identifying him by any specific characteristics. I'll see some Silver Age Marvel inking I really like and I know it's not, say, Ayers or Tartaglione or Chic Stone, I'll think "I bet that's Giacoia" and I'm right a lot of the time.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 16, 2017 13:45:24 GMT -5
I read a couple of issues of Silver Age World's Finest Comics over the last couple of days: Sublime Silver Age Silliness! I love this stuff! I saw the Composite Superman in a much later issue of WF (early 1980s, I think) and I've been wanting to read some other appearances of this character for 30 years. And over the last few years, I've read most of the appearances of the Silver Age Clayface (Matt Hagen), but I had never read any of his World's Finest appearances. (He's also in #140, which I haven't read yet.) There's one scene in the Brainiac/Clayface story that made me laugh. Superman and Batman have to exchange partners because - well, I won't go into it but you KNOW there was a good reason. So Jimmy is working with Batman and Robin is working with Superman. And Jimmy is going, "OBOY! Golly gee willikers gosh! I get to be Batman's partner!" But Robin doesn't say anything. He keeps his thoughts to himself with an enigmatic look on his face. Because being Superman's partner might be SUPER-COOL to some regular off-the-street kid. But to Robin, this is definitely a step down! He usually gets to ride in the Bat-Mobile and hang out in the Bat-Cave. Now, he's playing second fiddle to that Big Blue Boy Scout who, let's be honest, is a bit full of himself and is prone to unnecessarily complicated and humiliating pranks. And then there's the "weird transformation" factor. In Batman's comics, that stuff happens to Batman. In Superman's comics, it's just as likely to happen to the supporting cast. And Robin is probably not too keen on having tusks or becoming a voodoo ninja or spending 13 pages as a giant alligator boy. If there was a panel for Robin's thought, it would looks like this: @#&*@**%##!!
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 16, 2017 14:34:37 GMT -5
When I read Silver Age and Bronze Age comics, I frequently skip the splash page and turn to an interior page and see if I can identify the artists on pencils and inks. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes I have a bit of a question mark in my head. Giacoia is an inker I really like but I generally have trouble identifying him by any specific characteristics. I'll see some Silver Age Marvel inking I really like and I know it's not, say, Ayers or Tartaglione or Chic Stone, I'll think "I bet that's Giacoia" and I'm right a lot of the time. That really sums him up.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2017 14:49:04 GMT -5
Finally reading Gerber's Howard the Duck for the first time. I have to say, I didn't expect it to be this deep and intelligent. Even when I don't agree with one of Howard's rants, I find the discourse fascinating. First time in my life I find myself wishing I could go back in time just to participate in the letter column discussions.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 16, 2017 15:20:44 GMT -5
Finally reading Gerber's Howard the Duck for the first time. I have to say, I didn't expect it to be this deep and intelligent. Even when I don't agree with one of Howard's rants, I find the discourse fascinating. First time in my life I find myself wishing I could go back in time just to participate in the letter column discussions. You should read his Man-Things as well. equally stimulating. I think Gerber brought the Underground ethos into mainstream comics more than anyone else.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 16, 2017 15:22:24 GMT -5
Finally reading Gerber's Howard the Duck for the first time. I have to say, I didn't expect it to be this deep and intelligent. Even when I don't agree with one of Howard's rants, I find the discourse fascinating. First time in my life I find myself wishing I could go back in time just to participate in the letter column discussions. You should read his Man-Things as well. equally stimulating. I think Gerber brought the Underground ethos into mainstream comics more than anyone else. Already have. Loved it, but in a very different way. HTD is more intellectual, whereas Man-Thing was more emotional, at least from my perspective.
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Post by berkley on Apr 16, 2017 15:38:34 GMT -5
When I read Silver Age and Bronze Age comics, I frequently skip the splash page and turn to an interior page and see if I can identify the artists on pencils and inks. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes I have a bit of a question mark in my head. Giacoia is an inker I really like but I generally have trouble identifying him by any specific characteristics. I'll see some Silver Age Marvel inking I really like and I know it's not, say, Ayers or Tartaglione or Chic Stone, I'll think "I bet that's Giacoia" and I'm right a lot of the time. I'm something like that too. I think Giacoia looked really good with Gene Colan on Daredevil and with Kirby on Captain America, from what I've seen.
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Post by Rob Allen on Apr 17, 2017 14:45:31 GMT -5
When I read Silver Age and Bronze Age comics, I frequently skip the splash page and turn to an interior page and see if I can identify the artists on pencils and inks. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes I have a bit of a question mark in my head. Giacoia is an inker I really like but I generally have trouble identifying him by any specific characteristics. I'll see some Silver Age Marvel inking I really like and I know it's not, say, Ayers or Tartaglione or Chic Stone, I'll think "I bet that's Giacoia" and I'm right a lot of the time. I'm something like that too. I think Giacoia looked really good with Gene Colan on Daredevil and with Kirby on Captain America, from what I've seen. From what I've read, Giacoia was very good but slow, and often ran into deadline problems. He'd get his buddies Mike Esposito and Joe Giella to help him out. That's one reason why it can be difficult to identify his work.
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