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Post by Batflunkie on May 6, 2017 23:39:22 GMT -5
Just finished Spiderman Essentials 3. Issues 52-65. Now starting Essentials 4 66-89. I have never read the early issues of Spider man. Im really enjoying them. I had Marvel Essentials Spidey #1 growing up, back when I seemingly liked Spider-Man & Batman for no real apparent reason (like a lot of other kids my age then I suppose. I always appreciated them both on their own merits but they never really were "for me" per se). The stories in Essentials Spidey #1 were okay I guess, but a little too meandering(?) for my tastes (not really sure who to peg the blame on, Stan, Ditko, or myself).
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Post by bor on May 7, 2017 1:07:49 GMT -5
I have been reading some of the Spirit issues I bought recently on Ebay. I dont know if I have anything to say that has not been said a million times before. Its Eisner and its great. Yeah some of the racial stereotypes are unfortunately now, but there are also moments that breaks those same types. Its quite facinating to see. And the art, man the art. I will likely be reading this stuff this whole summer. I have 40 issues I have not read before and that will likely last me for some time.
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Post by Spike-X on May 7, 2017 6:23:37 GMT -5
Just finished Spiderman Essentials 3. Issues 52-65. Now starting Essentials 4 66-89. I have never read the early issues of Spider man. Im really enjoying them. I had Marvel Essentials Spidey #1 growing up, back when I seemingly liked Spider-Man & Batman for no real apparent reason (like a lot of other kids my age then I suppose. I always appreciated them both on their own merits but they never really were "for me" per se). The stories in Essentials Spidey #1 were okay I guess, but a little too meandering(?) for my tastes (not really sure who to peg the blame on, Stan, Ditko, or myself). Meandering? I reckon Stunning Steve's plots on those early Spidey issues made them the best read in the entire Marvel line.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2017 10:40:22 GMT -5
I had Marvel Essentials Spidey #1 growing up, back when I seemingly liked Spider-Man & Batman for no real apparent reason (like a lot of other kids my age then I suppose. I always appreciated them both on their own merits but they never really were "for me" per se). The stories in Essentials Spidey #1 were okay I guess, but a little too meandering(?) for my tastes (not really sure who to peg the blame on, Stan, Ditko, or myself). Meandering? I reckon Stunning Steve's plots on those early Spidey issues made them the best read in the entire Marvel line. Let me put it to you like this: I have no idea how much creative freedom Steve was given on Spider-Man, if any. A lot of the stories that I've read imply that Steve would come up with these very bleak concepts about Peter getting a victim complex and getting revenge on people like Flash with his newly acquired spider powers. Then Stan would come back in and heavily censor everything Steve did in order to stay true to what he believed to be "the company standard" (i.e. Kirby) It's a very two sided story that I think we'll never entirely know the truth of. Personally, I'd love to see what Steve actually intended for the series without Stan's influence
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Post by Spike-X on May 7, 2017 18:18:24 GMT -5
That would have made for some interesting reading.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 8, 2017 16:17:45 GMT -5
I'm up to #13 of The Freedom Fighters. (Although I think that's the cover for #12, which I like better than #13.)
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Post by Batflunkie on May 8, 2017 16:48:36 GMT -5
That would have made for some interesting reading. I know that Stan and Kirby had some serious reservations about anti-heroes at that time, so that's probably part of the reason why
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Post by Hoosier X on May 9, 2017 1:58:01 GMT -5
I read the first battle in the Avengers/Defenders War just now. My favorite moment: Islanders in French Polynesia call the Scarlet Witch a "strange girl." See! They don't understand her hex powers either!
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Post by dbutler69 on May 9, 2017 10:00:03 GMT -5
I'm up to #13 of The Freedom Fighters. (Although I think that's the cover for #12, which I like better than #13.) I've read a couple of random issues of the Freedom Fighters that I picked up in a dollar bin somewhere. I really enjoyed it. I wouldn't mind picking up the whole run.
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Post by urrutiap on May 9, 2017 14:20:01 GMT -5
Ive been reading some issues of the original Avengers comic. So far Ive read the ones of Kang, the debut of Wonder Man, Zemo teaming up with Enchantress and Executioner.
Now Im up to issue 16 or 18. Some issues were great to catch up on while some issues were getting a little dull
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 9, 2017 18:27:45 GMT -5
Captain America 100 - 118 Mage 1 - 5 Monster of Frankenstein 1 -5 Exiles 51 - 65 New Teen Titans 1 - 4 Rom Spaceknight 1 - 3 Starslayer 1 - 5 Usagi Yojimbo V1 1 - 18 Young All-Stars 1 - 3
All started in a desperate bid to diversify my reading over the last couple of months, and to revisit my long lost youth...Heh. Some I have really struggled with...Mage,Rom, and Franky(tho this IS good, beautiful so far) but the others Im quite enjoying. I just have a low boredom threshold and jump from book to book. Usagi has been an absolute revelation,looking forward to more, and Starslayer as well, surprising the hell out of me with how much I like it.
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Post by Rob Allen on May 9, 2017 20:12:56 GMT -5
Meandering? I reckon Stunning Steve's plots on those early Spidey issues made them the best read in the entire Marvel line. Let me put it to you like this: I have no idea how much creative freedom Steve was given on Spider-Man, if any. A lot of the stories that I've read imply that Steve would come up with these very bleak concepts about Peter getting a victim complex and getting revenge on people like Flash with his newly acquired spider powers. Then Stan would come back in and heavily censor everything Steve did in order to stay true to what he believed to be "the company standard" (i.e. Kirby) It's a very two sided story that I think we'll never entirely know the truth of. Personally, I'd love to see what Steve actually intended for the series without Stan's influence The last two years (approximately) of Ditko's work on Spider-Man, he was completely on his own as far as the story. Stan and Steve didn't speak to each other at that point; they communicated thru production manager Sol Brodsky. Steve brought the pages to Sol, Sol gave them to Stan, and Stan added the dialogue. It sold well and didn't get in trouble with the Comics Code, so Stan let Steve do what he wanted. Stan wasn't a micro-manager; once he had confidence in someone's ability, he'd generally let them do what they wanted. Earlier on, Stan had suggested some stories with supernatural elements, but Steve rejected those ideas. He thought Spider-Man belonged in a more realistic world. And as time went on, Steve's interest in Ayn Rand's ideas meant that Peter became less of a nebbish. Steve was definitely into Heroes, not anti-heroes.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 9, 2017 22:54:03 GMT -5
Ive been reading some issues of the original Avengers comic. So far Ive read the ones of Kang, the debut of Wonder Man, Zemo teaming up with Enchantress and Executioner. Now Im up to issue 16 or 18. Some issues were great to catch up on while some issues were getting a little dull #11 to #14 are just the pits. But when it gets to #18, it's really good for a while!
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Post by Hoosier X on May 9, 2017 23:04:10 GMT -5
I'm up to #13 of The Freedom Fighters. (Although I think that's the cover for #12, which I like better than #13.) I've read a couple of random issues of the Freedom Fighters that I picked up in a dollar bin somewhere. I really enjoyed it. I wouldn't mind picking up the whole run. I should be finishing the run soon. It went to #15, and I also have the issue of DC Comics Presents (from 1983) where they appear. When I finish, I'm planning on writing a few paragraphs on the series as a whole. To tide you over until I write about the series, here's an essay I wrote almost ten years ago, based on the Freedom Fighters appearance in JLA #107 and #108, and on their origin in All-Star Squadron. The Freedom Fighters, and how they grewRead Part Two first. There's a reason for that.
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Post by urrutiap on May 10, 2017 2:29:40 GMT -5
I'm actually at issue 16 at the moment. Couple of issues before, I wasn't enjoying since they were the filler type
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