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Post by dbutler69 on May 16, 2017 9:51:16 GMT -5
I've slowly making my way though some early issues of Englehart's Dr. Strange, the Iron Fist 70's title, Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, and some random Hulk issues I got in a dollar bin, but right now I'm taking a break from those and switching over to juggling the Guardians of the Galaxy of the Galaxy TPB, which collects all of their Bronze Age appearances, and some digital issues of the Justice League of America from 93-110 I've picked up, most of which I was missing in physical form and so I've never read them.
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Post by Confessor on May 16, 2017 9:55:55 GMT -5
The only annoying thing about the original Avengers is Rick Jones and his stupid boys ham radio team For me that´s one of those things where its either annoying or endearing depending on what mood I am in. And you also have to remember that, at the time when those Avengers comics were coming out, Ham Radio was a pretty popular and decidedly modern hobby for a young lad to have. Ham radio clubs sprang up all over the U.S. and the UK in the '50s and '60s, with adult group leaders tasking youngsters to learn morse code, become knowledgeable in radio wave behaviour, and contact fellow Ham Radio users overseas. In fact, most Ham Radio enthusiasts would've "collected" countries whose citizens they had chatted to, in much the same way as plane or train spotters would collect vehicle registration numbers. You also need to remember that, with the launch of a dedicated Ham Radio satellite into orbit in 1961, the hobby tied in directly to the brave new technological world of miniaturised electronics and the space race. In those pre-internet days, Ham radio was a very exciting frontier for young, technology-minded boys to become involved in. Even as late at the early '80s, I can remember that my own town had a Ham Radio club and a family friend, who was one of the group leaders, once tried to get me to join.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 16, 2017 10:12:58 GMT -5
The only annoying thing about the original Avengers is Rick Jones and his stupid boys ham radio team I'm usually fairly indifferent to the Teen Brigade (I think that's what they are called). Except for Avengers #8! That's one of my favorites! I love the way Kang incapacitates the heavy hitters and ignores the Wasp, who teams up with Rick and his buddies and they save the day! Stick that in your fat stupid blue face and smoke it, Kang the Conqueror!
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Post by brutalis on May 16, 2017 13:30:32 GMT -5
Spent the last few weeks slowly devouring and savoring the 70's FUnkiness of Deadly Hands of Kung Fu in the Omnibus #1. Such gorgeous artistry shines in the black and white. Takes me back to those days of my youth trying to find any of these magazines as i could and being mostly unsuccessful. Think i only ever had 2 issues that i found until the early 80's when the comic book shops opened up.
Very much a product of the times and yet still not all that dated in someways. A good story full of intrigue and action with grand art still transcends the genre and time of publishing. These are fun comics with some really interesting articles/reviews all based upon the martial arts craze. Funny how cycles will go because you have the initial Kung Fu/Bruce Lee craze hitting America in the 70's and then once more years later the Asian action/martial arts fever arrives with Chow Yun Fat/John Woo. The style and action and philosophy of the martial arts always has a mystique and curiosity factor that attracts.
Marvel captured that craze and produces a really good magazine that was a step beyond just being a comic book and interesting for kids, teens and adults.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 16, 2017 15:25:52 GMT -5
I've slowly making my way though some early issues of Englehart's Dr. Strange, the Iron Fist 70's title, Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, and some random Hulk issues I got in a dollar bin, but right now I'm taking a break from those and switching over to juggling the Guardians of the Galaxy of the Galaxy TPB, which collects all of their Bronze Age appearances, and some digital issues of the Justice League of America from 93-110 I've picked up, most of which I was missing in physical form and so I've never read them. I just read the beginning of Englehart's Dr. Strange (in the Epic volume), and found it to be really, really boring. Especially coming off the cool fantasy-ish stuff with the REH villain Shuma Gorath. I think I just don't like him, as the Mantis/Celestial Madonna story line has always annoyed me as well.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 16, 2017 20:40:11 GMT -5
For me that´s one of those things where its either annoying or endearing depending on what mood I am in. And you also have to remember that, at the time when those Avengers comics were coming out, Ham Radio was a pretty popular and decidedly modern hobby for a young lad to have. Ham radio clubs sprang up all over the U.S. and the UK in the '50s and '60s, with adult group leaders tasking youngsters to learn morse code, become knowledgeable in radio wave behaviour, and contact fellow Ham Radio users overseas. In fact, most Ham Radio enthusiasts would've "collected" countries whose citizens they had chatted to, in much the same way as plane or train spotters would collect vehicle registration numbers. You also need to remember that, with the launch of a dedicated Ham Radio satellite into orbit in 1961, the hobby tied in directly to the brave new technological world of miniaturised electronics and the space race. In those pre-internet days, Ham radio was a very exciting frontier for young, technology-minded boys to become involved in. Even as late at the early '80s, I can remember that my own town had a Ham Radio club and a family friend, who was one of the group leaders, once tried to get me to join. Whether Stan was conscious of it or not I can't say but Hourman's 1940s assistants, the Minute Men of America, also began as a group of ham radio enthusiasts. They were the Teen Brigade twenty-two years before the Teen Brigade. Cei-U! I summon the Golden Age precedent!
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Post by dbutler69 on May 17, 2017 7:10:55 GMT -5
I don't mind the teen brigade, but I can't stand Rick Jones. On his own annoying merits, nothing to do with ham radio.
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Post by bor on May 17, 2017 8:07:59 GMT -5
I don't mind the teen brigade, but I can't stand Rick Jones. On his own annoying merits, nothing to do with ham radio.
I thought he was okay in Captain Marvel but otherwise yeah despite his long presence in the Marvel universe he is really one of the most mixed characters.
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2017 8:30:13 GMT -5
I re-read Amazing Spider-Man #80 and #81 last night, which feature the second appearance of the Chameleon and first appearance of the Kangaroo respectively. The Chameleon story, in particular, is very enjoyable, with the wall-crawler beginning the adventure down in the dumps because of a misunderstanding with Gwen Stacy. This misunderstanding quickly gets cleared up and the young couple go on a date to an exhibition of priceless paintings (hey, what could go wrong?), where the Chameleon turns up impersonating Captain Stacy and makes off with a bunch of priceless paintings. Spidey eventually figures out who's behind the art heist and apprehends the villain, who has had the misfortune of choosing Peter Parker ti impersonate this time, thus alerting Spidey to the Chameleon's location.
The Kangeroo story is less good, with the villain in question being one of Spidey and Silver Age Marvel's lamest. Still, the art of John Buscema and Jim Mooney -- both of them doing a damn good impression of John Romita -- is gorgeous.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 17, 2017 8:43:02 GMT -5
Amazing Spider-Man #80 is the seventh appearance of The Chameleon, not the second. Between this issue and his debut in ASM #1, he appeared in ASM #15, Tales of Suspense #58, and Tales to Astonish #62-64 and 66.
Cei-U! And yes, The Kangaroo IS lame!
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Post by hondobrode on May 17, 2017 8:52:51 GMT -5
Agreed
I mostly hate Spidey's villains cause of the uber-lameness of all the animal villains Stan kept churning out, i.e. the Kangaroo
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Post by String on May 17, 2017 10:41:57 GMT -5
I've been reading some of the later issues of MOKF (#78-85) and I'd forgotten about the amount of racial epitaphs that Black Jack Tarr used for Shang-Chi. Everything from 'Chinaman' to 'Gunga-Chi'. This may be part of the typical (or stereotypical) British view towards Asians (Reston calls Tarr out on it occasionally) but I find this usage a little disparaging considering the letters pages of those issues are alight with discussion over how Rohmer's depiction of Fu Manchu was wildly racially insensitive.
Since MOKF was supposedly a product of more 'modern' times, some readers felt that Fu Manchu needed to be 'updated' to reflect this (especially if some younger readers were unaware of Rohmer's original stories). While the editorial response was enlightened that they were working on such, I find it incongruous with Tarr's slurs against Shang-Chi. Shouldn't that have been 'modernized' along with Fu Manchu or was it more representative of the times even back then?
(Mind you, the tone I get from these is less than serious as Tarr and Shang-Chi have worked together for some time by this point in the series but I still find it distracting)
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2017 11:19:10 GMT -5
Amazing Spider-Man #80 is the seventh appearance of The Chameleon, not the second. Between this issue and his debut in ASM #1, he appeared in ASM #15, Tales of Suspense #58, and Tales to Astonish #62-64 and 66. Cei-U! And yes, The Kangaroo IS lame! I'm glad you're here to keep us on the straight and narrow with this stuff, Kurt. The appearance in ASM #15 was a silly oversight, but I had no idea that the Chameleon had appeared in other, non-Spider-Man titles prior to ASM #80. Agreed I mostly hate Spidey's villains cause of the uber-lameness of all the animal villains Stan kept churning out, i.e. the Kangaroo Well, to be fair, I guess Stan was pitching animal themed villains at the wall-crawler because he was an animal themed hero. That aside, I think most of the animal villains that Stan came up with were awesome: The Vulture, Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, the Scoprion, the Rhino, and the aforementioned Chameleon were all excellent. The Kangaroo isn't simply lame because he's based on a particular animal: it's also because his origin -- the non-superpowered boy who wanted to jump like a Kangaroo and so took to hanging out with packs of them in the Australian outback, until he could learn to jump like them -- is super lame.
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Post by brutalis on May 17, 2017 11:48:55 GMT -5
I've been reading some of the later issues of MOKF (#78-85) and I'd forgotten about the amount of racial epitaphs that Black Jack Tarr used for Shang-Chi. Everything from 'Chinaman' to 'Gunga-Chi'. This may be part of the typical (or stereotypical) British view towards Asians (Reston calls Tarr out on it occasionally) but I find this usage a little disparaging considering the letters pages of those issues are alight with discussion over how Rohmer's depiction of Fu Manchu was wildly racially insensitive. Since MOKF was supposedly a product of more 'modern' times, some readers felt that Fu Manchu needed to be 'updated' to reflect this (especially if some younger readers were unaware of Rohmer's original stories). While the editorial response was enlightened that they were working on such, I find it incongruous with Tarr's slurs against Shang-Chi. Shouldn't that have been 'modernized' along with Fu Manchu or was it more representative of the times even back then? (Mind you, the tone I get from these is less than serious as Tarr and Shang-Chi have worked together for some time by this point in the series but I still find it distracting) It was a part of the times. Tarr would be British ex-military from WW2 and i know back in the 70's my uncles returning from Vietnam habitually used slurs in reference to other races/country's. It would have been more appropriate to avoiding those in the comics at all but it was likely the writers using it as short hand characterization. I think (IMO) Moench in particular was using the terms in a more male/macho aspect to showing Shang and Tarr's professional and personal shared friendship. I don't think Shang Chi is one to allow anyone being derogatory to him on a consistent basis without alerting the person to the error of their ways. He is all about the growing and advancing in all ways as his name suggests. Also there was not in general as much awareness in the "good old days" of/and/or political and cultural correctness. Various parts of the country (USA) and the world still had some much needing growing up and sensitivity/learning to do about others and themselves. Even now in modern times the racial/ethnic/cultural/sexual slurs are still flung around too quickly and readily.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 17, 2017 13:16:03 GMT -5
Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt #1 No comments other than I ate it up like a five year old in a candy store. Also, dumb question, is it pronounced "Cannon" like a Cannon Ball or "Channon"?
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