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Post by bor on May 18, 2017 2:57:15 GMT -5
Yeah, not to pile on hondobrode , but even some of the villains created solely for the Spider-man '67 cartoon were really strong: Parafino recalled Vincent Price in House of Wax, The Human Fly(ies) had a great design, superior to the later comics version IMHO, and The Fifth Avenue Phantom with his android mannequin women was as compelling as any villain that appeared in the Silver Age (again, IMO). Like the Zodiac, his identity remains unknown. It's a me thing, but I hate almost all Spidey's animal-themed villains. Spidey villains I dislike include the Vulture, the Gibbon, Grizzly, Hammerhead, Hydro-Man, Kangaroo, Puma, Squid, Vermin, and White Rabbit, to name a few. Yeah, everyone's got some duds, but it seemed to me that Stan cranked out a ton of these lame animal villains. Turned me off. Ok, so cool Spidey villains, how about Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Mysterio, Doc Ock, Black Cat, Carnage, Venom, Jackal, Kingpin, Kraven, Lizard, Man-Wolf, Morbius, Prowler, Scorpion, Stegron, Tarantula, Tombstone, Will o' the Wisp, and I'm sure there's more I don't know about. Lord knows Batman, Superman, and especially Wonder Woman have had some super lame villains, but for some reason Spidey strikes me as having a large share of meh villains, at least to me. YMMV I think just the fact you can name that many is a sign perhaps that Spidey doenst have lame villians, as much as he has MANY villians. When you have that many there is bound to be some that are bad or terrible. I for one love some of Batman and Superman´s villians like Luthor, Braniac, Metallo, Joker, Two-face etc- , but someone like Composite Superman or a couple of the clayfaces? Yeah not so much.
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Post by Spike-X on May 18, 2017 3:34:25 GMT -5
I'm still working my way through the Marvel Universe in chronological order via Marvel Unlimited. I finished 1965 last night, with the first appearance of The Inhumans in Fantastic Four #45.
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Post by Spike-X on May 19, 2017 2:43:29 GMT -5
I just read Daredevil #12. Well, I read probably 1/3 of it, quickly skimmed the rest. So bad. So, so bad.
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Post by Spike-X on May 19, 2017 2:53:31 GMT -5
Journey Into Mystery #124 - Don Blake, on the verge of losing Jane Foster, reveals to her his true identity of Thor, God of Thunder (but not rock and roll)! And boy, is Odin pissed!
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Post by Polar Bear on May 19, 2017 7:47:55 GMT -5
Just acquired a minor Wonder Woman collection--the Greatest Stories Ever Told trade, the 75 Years HC, & several loose pre-Crisis issues (~5 in the early 200s, 15 in the late 200s, & 25 of issues 300-329, its last issue). I've read very little pre-Crisis Wonder Woman outside of JLA, so this is rather interesting for me. For example, I never realized WW had mental telepathy in the Golden Age, nor that her lasso had mind control powers as well as compelling truth.
I'm up to the late 1960s by now, and what can I say but that Mike Sekowsky is a revelation. I'd expected to find this era boring, based on my opinion of his JLA.
Uh, no.
This stuff is fantastic! I may well have to break down & but the three-volume set of trades that collects the complete Sekowsky era.
What about the "Twelve Labors" storyline? Is that acuially good, or just "representative"?
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Post by dbutler69 on May 19, 2017 8:16:40 GMT -5
And I'm up to Adventure Comics #353 in the run from #350 to #380. The conclusion of the first Fatal Five storyline. I like the way Mano looks like he's waving when he holds out his murder hand that I guess is supposed to be menacing. Also, the Emerald Empress is the sexiest woman that Curt Swan ever drew. You must admire the way Princess Projectra just kinda charges in and mixes it up with the rest of these super-powered being as if her illusions make her as powerful as Superboy or the Emerald Empress. The most important development in this issue is the heroic death of Ferro Lad. When I was reading LSH in the 1980s, you would see the statues of the honored Legion dead and everybody would get very solemn. It was three dead Legionnaires for a long time - Ferro Lad, Invisible Kid and Chemical King. I had the issue with the death of Chemical King way back in the late 1970s (I still have it), but this is the first time I've ever read the death of Ferro Lad. It seems like something I should have read a long time ago. I still haven't read the death of Invisible Kid. That will make me sad. Lyle Norg is one of my favorites in several LSH incarnations. I have the one where Invisible Kid dies. It's a good one, and yes, sad.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 19, 2017 8:32:46 GMT -5
I read issues 16 to 20 of original Avengers earlier. Fun issues but some of the dialogue a bit wordy. I was and am still impressed by the pathos and deep psychology used in their introspection. They said things with word balloons but their thought bubbles give their true complex feelings. Stan Lee was ahead of his time.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 19, 2017 8:45:42 GMT -5
I'm still working my way through the Marvel Universe in chronological order via Marvel Unlimited. I finished 1965 last night, with the first appearance of The Inhumans in Fantastic Four #45. Wow, that's quite a project! You'll have you hand full starting in 1968. Sounds like a great idea, but you'll start running into comics that aren't available in Marvel Unlimited, of course.
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Post by urrutiap on May 19, 2017 11:14:08 GMT -5
I'm an 1980s child and I'd have to say that any Marvel Comics comic from the 1960s was pretty rough.
Dialogue was way wordy, X Men looked like 30 year olds and some of the super heroes talked like they were hippies or whatever.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 19, 2017 11:33:41 GMT -5
I read issues 16 to 20 of original Avengers earlier. Fun issues but some of the dialogue a bit wordy. I was and am still impressed by the pathos and deep psychology used in their introspection. They saw things with word balloons but their thought bubbles give their true complex feelings. Stan Lee was ahead of his time. Thank you! That is an underappreciated contribution of Stan to his collaborations. Yes, Kirby and Ditko came up with the events and that shouldn't be downplayed, but Stan added the characters' reactions to them. DC's Silver Age heroes used their thought balloons for exposition; Marvel's used theirs for emotion. It was a difference readers in the '60s noticed and responded to. Cei-U! I summon the shared perspective!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 19, 2017 11:48:19 GMT -5
I was and am still impressed by the pathos and deep psychology used in their introspection. They saw things with word balloons but their thought bubbles give their true complex feelings. Stan Lee was ahead of his time. Thank you! That is an underappreciated contribution of Stan to his collaborations. Yes, Kirby and Ditko came up with the events and that shouldn't be downplayed, but Stan added the characters' reactions to them. DC's Silver Age heroes used their thought balloons for exposition; Marvel's used theirs for emotion. It was a difference readers in the '60s noticed and responded to. Cei-U! I summon the shared perspective! And I'll admit that I probably under-appreciate this in my reviews (though I know that the stories get better) because a lot of it is so hokey. Having Don Blake bemoan why he can't be with Jane Foster because he's lame or Tony Stark bemoan his heart condition making it so he daren't be with a woman for the hundredth time gets old. And in a lot of ways it's only a short bit better than DC heroes having to maintain a secret identity to protect their friends and family. At his best Stan did this well. At his worst, and in lesser hands, it was just as lame as what DC was doing.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 19, 2017 12:08:16 GMT -5
That's a big part of why the stories scripted by Larry Lieber, Robert Bernstein, and other second-string bullpenners in those primal years don't feel right. None of them bother to give the characters any internal life aside from the bare minimum required to advance the usually improbable plot. Stan's scripting could be overwrought, but he was always in there pitching when it came to adding heart and humanity to the fantasy.
Cei-U! Stan Lee's bitch since 1964!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 19, 2017 13:50:54 GMT -5
There were certain instances where Hawkeye , after mouthing off the Cap, would have regret expressed in his thoughts. I really got attached to those characters because of those complex thoughts.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2017 15:21:12 GMT -5
I'm an 1980s child and I'd have to say that any Marvel Comics comic from the 1960s was pretty rough. Dialogue was way wordy, X Men looked like 30 year olds and some of the super heroes talked like they were hippies or whatever. "any Marvel Comics from the 1960s" I'm getting the idea you haven't really read that many.
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Post by urrutiap on May 19, 2017 15:43:54 GMT -5
Actually I have read enough classic stuff of Avengers, spider man, x Men and the original Thor stuff where the dialogue gives me a damn headache
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