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Post by bor on Jun 24, 2017 23:19:11 GMT -5
Just started on Invincbile. I've been looking forward to trying it for a while and have really liked it. Kind of an early Spidey / Superboy mashup flavor-wise. I just read the 1st 3 trades as well.. the first two very much feel like what I would Superboy to be like some time in the future. The 3rd one gets dark, and weird, and I'm not sure I liked the abrupt change... we'll see how it goes. If you not into the kind of things that happens in the that trade this series might not be for you. This series is not afraid to make changes and stick with them. Mostly when characters die it means they are actually dead and its often very graphic. I really like the series and its one of th every few series that I double dip on buying both single issues and the hardcover collections. Its going to be interesting when it ends in the near future.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 24, 2017 23:23:45 GMT -5
In that regard it kind of feels like Savage Dragon, but I like this better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 9:55:43 GMT -5
I've been reading through a lot of trades as I recover from surgery, most picked up just before surgery, but some that had been sitting around waiting to be read for a while. Some have been more modern stuff, some classic. You can see what I said about the modern reads here. Of the classic stuff I've read through... Strangers in Paradise Omnibus Vol. 2-Great stuff from Terry Moore. Not my usual genre of reading but more tells such an engrossing story with such rich wonderful stories that I am sucked right in. Usagi Yojimbo Saga Edition Vol. 1 and 2-I am missing some of the Fantagraphics volumes, so I had been holding off diving into the Saga collections, but decided to pull them off the shelf to read while recovering and loved every page. When I get around to buying comics again (which will be a while as our budget recovers), I'll pick up more Usagi. Sin City Vol. 1 and 2 (The Hard Goodbye-collecting the original serial from DHP-and A Dame to Kill For) These are a difficult read for me on some levels. The craftsmanship of the storytelling is phenomenal but some of Miller's themes and over the line self indulgent ticks make it hard to fully enjoy the work itself. Hellblazer Vol. 1 Original Sins (collecting Hellblazer #1-9)-very good stuff, but if you did not live through or have a passing familiarity with the events of the late 1980s some of this could feel dated or too topical to appeal to a mass audience. They are a product of their times, and the Constantine tv show took a lot from these issues and altered them to have a wider appeal to an audience that wasn't old enough to have read these when they came out, but there are some obstacles to getting into these for some despite the great skill of Delano and Ridgway as storytellers. Not comics but classic materials that have seen comic form at some point, I read a little Burroughs and Howard as well-The Beasts of Tarzan (book 3) from Burroughs and a collection of El Borak tales from Howard. I may be forgetting some material, if so, I will add them in later. -M
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Post by spoon on Jun 25, 2017 10:06:32 GMT -5
I finished reading the Iron Man Epic Collection TPB The Enemy Within, which reprints Iron Man #158-177 and Annual #9. I don't think I'd read any of the individual issues in the TPB before. It covers the beginning of the Obadiah Stane storyline. Jim Rhodes takes over as Iron Man around the middle of the TPB. I'd only read an issue or two of his stint as Iron Man, so it was new to me. The TPB ends with the storyline still ongoing. Stane is still running Stark's old company. Rhodes is still Iron Man. As the hero, Rhodes obviously gets a lot of pages, but at this point it seems like Stark's struggle with alcoholism still gets more character development moments than Rhodes does. One of the first comic book runs I ever followed was when John Stewart replaced Hal Jordan as Green Lantern. My perception is that GL run having a greater focus on Stewart as an individual than this run had on the personal aspects of Rhodes. I always felt like Rhodey got more development as Tony's pilot/best friend/sidekick than as a superhero. I feel like alot of his 'camera' time was spent worrying about living up to Tony when he was in the suit. or worrying about people figuring outhe's a different guy, etc. IIRC, the Stane arc goes to issue 200. Yes, when Rhodey as Iron Man, a lot of his character moments are in the armor thinking about those things. There's at least one issue in this TPB in which he only appears in the armor. I hope that doesn't come across as too critical, because Denny O'Neil certainly made an innovative move. He replaced a major hero and with an African-American in the early 1980s. Plus, it was a move that work really well within the title with Tony's history of alcoholism and with Rhodey as an established character.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 25, 2017 10:18:46 GMT -5
It's all berkley's fault! His asking about Lt. Blueberry got me to re-read the series from the beginning... and it's addictive! I didn't remember how multi-layered the Iron horse arc was. I think it's great to see Bluberry torn between what he knows is right (the Sioux and Cheyennes are being screwed by the train companies and the US government) and his duty to his comrades when the bullets start flying. Great storytelling. The Confederate gold story arc, which saw the end of the Charlier-Giraud collaboration (Charlier having died after its conclusion) remains as good today as in the 70s and 80s. And the art... my god, how can someone be so good. Giraud was such a master that he lettered his pages with a brush! Anyway, I'm in the middle of Angel Face right now, and I expect to continue all the way through the end of the trail.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 25, 2017 22:16:30 GMT -5
I always felt like Rhodey got more development as Tony's pilot/best friend/sidekick than as a superhero. I feel like alot of his 'camera' time was spent worrying about living up to Tony when he was in the suit. or worrying about people figuring outhe's a different guy, etc. IIRC, the Stane arc goes to issue 200. Yes, when Rhodey as Iron Man, a lot of his character moments are in the armor thinking about those things. There's at least one issue in this TPB in which he only appears in the armor. I hope that doesn't come across as too critical, because Denny O'Neil certainly made an innovative move. He replaced a major hero and with an African-American in the early 1980s. Plus, it was a move that work really well within the title with Tony's history of alcoholism and with Rhodey as an established character. I agree 100%... while I would have liked to see Rhodey developed a little more as his own man (instead of everything always being about Tony), it was certainly excellent in the development of the life of Tony Stark, and they are definitely a good bunch of comics.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 26, 2017 7:01:11 GMT -5
In that regard it kind of feels like Savage Dragon, but I like this better. Invincible and Savage Dragon both feel like homages to early Marvel Comics, Savage Dragon isn't amazing reading, but it is competent and enjoyable for the most part. It's just a guy writing about things that he thinks are cool/fun and honestly, wheres the harm in that? Invincible, almost like Spider-Man, starts out good and then I slowly lose interest around the issue 20 mark or so
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 26, 2017 7:21:05 GMT -5
Hellblazer Vol. 1 Original Sins (collecting Hellblazer #1-9)-very good stuff, but if you did not live through or have a passing familiarity with the events of the late 1980s some of this could feel dated or too topical to appeal to a mass audience. They are a product of their times, and the Constantine tv show took a lot from these issues and altered them to have a wider appeal to an audience that wasn't old enough to have read these when they came out, but there are some obstacles to getting into these for some despite the great skill of Delano and Ridgway as storytellers. I'd have to re-read that run, but if memory serves it was an era marked by a Tory government tearing down the social structure of the UK, by famine in Africa, by free-for-all capitalism, by radical lobbies trying to impose their views and by populist nationalism. Twenty years later we're back to square one! (Well, except perhaps for gay marriage. Thank Crom for small favours).
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 26, 2017 9:37:17 GMT -5
In that regard it kind of feels like Savage Dragon, but I like this better. Invincible and Savage Dragon both feel like homages to early Marvel Comics, Savage Dragon isn't amazing reading, but it is competent and enjoyable for the most part. It's just a guy writing about things that he thinks are cool/fun and honestly, wheres the harm in that? Invincible, almost like Spider-Man, starts out good and then I slowly lose interest around the issue 20 mark or so I like Savage Dragon, and I love what Erik Larsen has done, but the artwork turns me off to a point. It's sometimes confusing and not laid out very well IMO. That's the turnoff for me.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 26, 2017 9:46:40 GMT -5
Larsen on Savage Dragon has let his line work all become the same with little variance to it. There is no real sense of depth to his work anymore. It is all bombastic over the top fantasy action as it should be yet the pencil work lacks weight or significance it seems. The work all runs and blends together so the background bleeds/blends into everything taking giving the figures and action less emphasis. He needs to thicken up the lines on the figures so they jump out more.
His work still has that Kirby tone but lacks the visual impact Kriby knew how to deliver. The figure work is splendid but the background doesn't always come out quite right. Maybe if Larsen slowed down and took a longer look at the overall artwork he is doing then he may see how the pages don't seem to carry enough "character" to them?
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Post by urrutiap on Jun 28, 2017 1:04:33 GMT -5
I've been binge reading original Avengers all night. Issues 137 and I'm now at issue 162. Jarvis was funny
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 28, 2017 14:56:58 GMT -5
I've been binge reading original Avengers all night. Issues 137 and I'm now at issue 162. Jarvis was funny That's a great period! I hope you're enjoying it.
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Post by urrutiap on Jun 28, 2017 17:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah I was enjoying some of the stuff that went on mostly the new team roster announcements involving Hellcat and Moondragon and etc. Jarvis while not used much at the time back then he had some funny moments though
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 28, 2017 17:39:04 GMT -5
I love how the Avengers used to be a closed membership as opposed to the case of thousands it has become.
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Post by bor on Jun 29, 2017 1:27:52 GMT -5
I love how the Avengers used to be a closed membership as opposed to the case of thousands it has become. I rarely read avengers as a kid or as a teenager. I had read some heroes reborn stuff, didnt really like it, and some post heroes return which I loved. When I actually started reading more was when new avengers happened. Since then I have gone back and read quite a lot of stories in the essential format. You are right when reading those stories it really hit me just how much it felt almost like an event when they announced the new line up. Nowadays, I see a line up and think: "Well sure why not everyone else is or has been one at this point".
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