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Post by paulie on Sept 5, 2014 12:38:14 GMT -5
The cast of Defenders each seemed to get their own limited series around this time. I actually liked Beauty and the Beast and I own the Iceman and Gargoyle series but have never read them. Can't say I'm a big fan of DeMatteis but I think I'll bump Gargoyle up in the read pile based on the rec's above.
No Don Perlin at the very least.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 14:57:33 GMT -5
The cast of Defenders each seemed to get their own limited series around this time. I actually liked Beauty and the Beast and I own the Iceman and Gargoyle series but have never read them. Can't say I'm a big fan of DeMatteis but I think I'll bump Gargoyle up in the read pile based on the rec's above. No Don Perlin at the very least. I re-read that Gargoyle mini-series just a few months ago and I thought it held up pretty well. I originally got it when it first came out and I thought it was pretty cool back in the 1980s.
Don Perlin is pretty awesome. Perlin is one of those ubiquitous 1970s artists that I love seeing when I'm reading old comics at random, like Don Heck or Jim Mooney or Ross Andru or Irv Novick.
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Post by Action Ace on Sept 5, 2014 15:34:52 GMT -5
I remember liking that Gargoyle series at the time (haven't seen it in 25+ years, though, so who knows if I still would). I really like the same team's Martian Manhunter mini from a couple of years later, probably the best post-Crisis reboot this side of Perez's Wonder Woman. Cei-U! I summon the little treasure! I'm going to go the other way and say the DeMatteis/ Badger mini series is my least favorite Martian Manhunter story of all time.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 5, 2014 15:35:58 GMT -5
Pretty awesomely bad, maybe. Cei-U! Sorry, not a fan of Perlin's stiff, ugly, uninspired and uninspiring artwork!
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Post by paulie on Sept 5, 2014 16:55:52 GMT -5
The cast of Defenders each seemed to get their own limited series around this time. I actually liked Beauty and the Beast and I own the Iceman and Gargoyle series but have never read them. Can't say I'm a big fan of DeMatteis but I think I'll bump Gargoyle up in the read pile based on the rec's above. No Don Perlin at the very least. I re-read that Gargoyle mini-series just a few months ago and I thought it held up pretty well. I originally got it when it first came out and I thought it was pretty cool back in the 1980s.
Don Perlin is pretty awesome. Perlin is one of those ubiquitous 1970s artists that I love seeing when I'm reading old comics at random, like Don Heck or Jim Mooney or Ross Andru or Irv Novick.
I'm with Cei-U on this. Don Perlin has got to be in my Top 10 least favorites of all-time. Now he's better than Alan Kupperburg and Alex Saviuk mind you...
I have come to really like Don Heck, especially when inked by Colletta or Syd Shores.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 17:06:11 GMT -5
I have come to really like Don Heck, especially when inked by Colletta or Syd Shores.
I read a lot of Marvel Essential volumes, lots of material from the early 1970s lately, and I keep coming across really good work by Colletta. I know he did some bad comics in the 1980s, and I know he did a lot of good or even great work in the 1960s and 1970s, but I'm still pleasantly surprised when I come across some nice Colletta inks I've never seen before. A few days ago, there were some nice issues of The Defenders, and today, I read Captain America #151, art by Sal Buscema, inked by Colletta, with Mr. Hyde, the Scorpion, the Falcon, Nick Fury, Sharon Carter, etc. and everybody look great!
Syd Shores is another fave of mine, but I haven't come across anything by him lately.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 17:07:50 GMT -5
And, Cei-U, I'm not ignoring your mean mean comments about Don Perlin. I'm just waiting until I CALM DOWN so I don't say something I'll regret.
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Post by paulie on Sept 5, 2014 17:29:49 GMT -5
I have come to really like Don Heck, especially when inked by Colletta or Syd Shores.
I read a lot of Marvel Essential volumes, lots of material from the early 1970s lately, and I keep coming across really good work by Colletta. I know he did some bad comics in the 1980s, and I know he did a lot of good or even great work in the 1960s and 1970s, but I'm still pleasantly surprised when I come across some nice Colletta inks I've never seen before. A few days ago, there were some nice issues of The Defenders, and today, I read Captain America #151, art by Sal Buscema, inked by Colletta, with Mr. Hyde, the Scorpion, the Falcon, Nick Fury, Sharon Carter, etc. and everybody look great!
Syd Shores is another fave of mine, but I haven't come across anything by him lately.
I believe over at the old place we had a thread discussing who Vinnie looked good on. Heck was one, Tuska was another, Werner Roth yet another. His very thin line seemed to smooth out some of the workman like old pros.
Believe it or not I think Vinnie looks good on Colan.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 17:45:51 GMT -5
Everybody looks good inking Colan. I'm almost done with The Essential Captain America, Volume Three, reprinting Captain America #127 to #156, and the first eleven stories are all penciled by Colan. There are four different inkers, and they all look great.
Wally Wood. So nice. Wood is a pretty strong inker, but you can still tell it's Colan.
Dick Ayers. Ayers on Kirby is so distinctive, but I would never have guessed the inking on these issues was Ayers. Looks great anyway.
Tom Palmer. Only one issue, unfortunately. Looks awesome. I sometimes think Palmer is the greatest inker who ever lived.
Bill Everett. Looks great inking Colan. But I don't think I would have ever guessed it was Everett.
The rest of the art is John Romita and Sal Buscema, with inkers like Joe Sinnott, Jim Mooney and Frank Giacoia.
I would have a hard time picking a favorite art team from this run but, oh, those Romita/Sinnott issues are SWEET!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 17:47:51 GMT -5
You get all these Essentials at your library, Hoosier X?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 5, 2014 17:52:24 GMT -5
Everybody looks good inking Colan. Gene Colan could not have disagreed with you more.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 18:58:52 GMT -5
You get all these Essentials at your library, Hoosier X? Yes. It's the San Bernardino County library system. They have quite a few but the missing ones are kind of frustrating. For example, no Thor! None at all!
I was able to fill all the holes in my Fantastic Four reading, but no such luck with Spider-Man, Avengers or Hulk.
Same with DC Showcase reprints.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 19:00:33 GMT -5
Everybody looks good inking Colan. Gene Colan could not have disagreed with you more. Some inkers look better than others. I admit I remember some 1980s Colan that was kind of disappointing.
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Post by Daryl on Sept 5, 2014 19:21:08 GMT -5
I like Perlin fine. No, not unique or anything but readable and he drew almost everything, or it feels like it.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 5, 2014 19:40:50 GMT -5
I like Perlin fine. No, not unique or anything but readable and he drew almost everything, or it feels like it. One comic I still have is Giant-Size Creatures #1, with Werewolf By Night and the first appearance of Tigra! Art by Don Perlin! I take it out and read it every once in a while. It's so cool!
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