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Post by berkley on Jan 20, 2015 13:45:07 GMT -5
I'm another reader who dislikes arbitrary changes to existing characters' personalities. If you're trying to attract me to a new comic because such and such a character is in it, then write THAT character, not some totally different one with the same name.
It's true that every now and then you'll get a reinvention of this kind that works so well that you can accept that this is a new version that can be read and enjoyed on its own terms. And if a writer has such a strong vision and faith in his or her new version, then I wouldn't want to hold them back (though part of me still thinks that, if they feel so strongly about it, they should create a new character altogether). But successful reinventions of this kind are few and far between.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:50:21 GMT -5
Like, I don't know how I am going to deal with Silver Surfer possibly not being some melodramatic-resistant-to-violence-softy-and-reluctant-bad-ass under some other writer's pen.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 20, 2015 14:20:51 GMT -5
Like, I don't know how I am going to deal with Silver Surfer possibly not being some melodramatic-resistant-to-violence-softy-and-reluctant-bad-ass under some other writer's pen. For many years, Stan was the only writer on Silver Surfer. That's why the Surfer doesn't appear even as a guest star in any of the Silver Age Marvels that Stan wasn't writing.
I think the first writer on the Surfer after Stan was Roy Thomas, in "Titans Three," a team-up of the Surfer, Hulk and Namor in Sub-Mariner #34 in 1971.
It's been close to forty years since I read that (a friend had a copy) but I remember the great Sal Buscema art. And I also remember a scene where the Surfer is making the board hover and the Hulk is sitting on it with his legs dangling over the side. It's kind of amusing,
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Post by paulie on Jan 20, 2015 14:21:54 GMT -5
The title reaches another huge peak when Gene Day starts pencilling with issue 100. Cool. I have a few of those issues, but haven't gotten to them yet. I just finished #88. It starts to get really good again around #76 and keeps getting better until #118. There is also one last beautiful Gene Day issue, #120, which sort of serves as both eulogy and epilogue since the last 5 issues could never be what anyone needed them to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 14:44:50 GMT -5
Like, I don't know how I am going to deal with Silver Surfer possibly not being some melodramatic-resistant-to-violence-softy-and-reluctant-bad-ass under some other writer's pen. For many years, Stan was the only writer on Silver Surfer. That's why the Surfer doesn't appear even as a guest star in any of the Silver Age Marvels that Stan wasn't writing.
I think the first writer on the Surfer after Stan was Roy Thomas, in "Titans Three," a team-up of the Surfer, Hulk and Namor in Sub-Mariner #34 in 1971.
It's been close to forty years since I read that (a friend had a copy) but I remember the great Sal Buscema art. And I also remember a scene where the Surfer is making the board hover and the Hulk is sitting on it with his legs dangling over the side. It's kind of amusing,
I need this. Roy Thomas is one of my fave comic writers, and of course I need anything with Namor AND Silver Surfer in it. Together. That has got to be an awesome book. Not to mention, Roy is my favorite writer for Namor. Out of the Namor reads I've read, he seems to be the writer with the most heart for Namor (besides Everett).
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Post by paulie on Jan 20, 2015 15:02:51 GMT -5
For many years, Stan was the only writer on Silver Surfer. That's why the Surfer doesn't appear even as a guest star in any of the Silver Age Marvels that Stan wasn't writing.
I think the first writer on the Surfer after Stan was Roy Thomas, in "Titans Three," a team-up of the Surfer, Hulk and Namor in Sub-Mariner #34 in 1971.
It's been close to forty years since I read that (a friend had a copy) but I remember the great Sal Buscema art. And I also remember a scene where the Surfer is making the board hover and the Hulk is sitting on it with his legs dangling over the side. It's kind of amusing,
I need this. Roy Thomas is one of my fave comic writers, and of course I need anything with Namor AND Silver Surfer in it. Together. That has got to be an awesome book. Not to mention, Roy is my favorite writer for Namor. Out of the Namor reads I've read, he seems to be the writer with the most heart for Namor (besides Everett). The late 60s and early 70s Subby series is underrated. More often than not it is very, very good. You have a dozen John Buscema issue during what was perhaps his classic period. Then you have the serpent crown adventure which has had a long lasting effect on the Marvel Universe. Comics historians will also take note of work by EC great Johnny Craig and Subby being the first regular series for both Sal Buscema and later Steve Gerber. Gene Colan draws several later issues and then Bill Everett himself returns for a swan song on issues 50-61. I'll also point out that over at the old CBT board there were at least a couple of posters who felt the issue drawn by Ross Andru and John Severin is one of the greatest comics ever illustrated. Same with the issue drawn by Dan Adkins (#55). Long and Short: Track the entire series down, accept your Tuska and Heck issues when they come, and forget all about Brautivac!
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 20, 2015 15:03:06 GMT -5
For many years, Stan was the only writer on Silver Surfer. That's why the Surfer doesn't appear even as a guest star in any of the Silver Age Marvels that Stan wasn't writing.
I think the first writer on the Surfer after Stan was Roy Thomas, in "Titans Three," a team-up of the Surfer, Hulk and Namor in Sub-Mariner #34 in 1971.
It's been close to forty years since I read that (a friend had a copy) but I remember the great Sal Buscema art. And I also remember a scene where the Surfer is making the board hover and the Hulk is sitting on it with his legs dangling over the side. It's kind of amusing,
I need this. Roy Thomas is one of my fave comic writers, and of course I need anything with Namor AND Silver Surfer in it. Together. That has got to be an awesome book. Not to mention, Roy is my favorite writer for Namor. Out of the Namor reads 've read, he seems to be the writer with the most heart for Namor (besides Everett). Diversions of a Groovy Kind once featured a number of splash pages for early appearances of The Defenders and the splash for Sub-Mariner #34 is the first one listed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 15:09:33 GMT -5
I need this. Roy Thomas is one of my fave comic writers, and of course I need anything with Namor AND Silver Surfer in it. Together. That has got to be an awesome book. Not to mention, Roy is my favorite writer for Namor. Out of the Namor reads I've read, he seems to be the writer with the most heart for Namor (besides Everett). The late 60s and early 70s Subby series is underrated. More often than not it is very, very good. You have a dozen John Buscema issue during what was perhaps his classic period. Then you have the serpent crown adventure which has had a long lasting effect on the Marvel Universe. Comics historians will also take note of work by EC great Johnny Craig and Subby being the first regular series for both Sal Buscema and later Steve Gerber. Gene Colan draws several later issues and then Bill Everett himself returns for a swan song on issues 50-61. I'll also point out that over at the old CBT board there were at least a couple of posters who felt the issue drawn by Ross Andru and John Severin is one of the greatest comics ever illustrated. Same with the issue drawn by Dan Adkins (#55). Long and Short: Track the entire series down, accept your Tuska and Heck issues when they come, and forget all about Brautivac! I have a chunk of his solo series in the 60's and 70's. Of course the later issues are easier to get and much more affordable, but some of those earlier issues are collected in MMWs, and I have quite a few of those. Amazing stuff. But if I had to pick one single writer for Namor, it'd always be Roy Thomas. There are plenty of great writers who wrote him during his solo, but Roy, to me, has heart for Namor.
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Post by paulie on Jan 20, 2015 15:17:37 GMT -5
The late 60s and early 70s Subby series is underrated. More often than not it is very, very good. You have a dozen John Buscema issue during what was perhaps his classic period. Then you have the serpent crown adventure which has had a long lasting effect on the Marvel Universe. Comics historians will also take note of work by EC great Johnny Craig and Subby being the first regular series for both Sal Buscema and later Steve Gerber. Gene Colan draws several later issues and then Bill Everett himself returns for a swan song on issues 50-61. I'll also point out that over at the old CBT board there were at least a couple of posters who felt the issue drawn by Ross Andru and John Severin is one of the greatest comics ever illustrated. Same with the issue drawn by Dan Adkins (#55). Long and Short: Track the entire series down, accept your Tuska and Heck issues when they come, and forget all about Brautivac! I have a chunk of his solo series in the 60's and 70's. Of course the later issues are easier to get and much more affordable, but some of those earlier issues are collected in MMWs, and I have quite a few of those. Amazing stuff. But if I had to pick one single writer for Namor, it'd always be Roy Thomas. There are plenty of great writers who wrote him during his solo, but Roy, to me, has heart for Namor. I agree. The first 38 issues are the best. Roy loves his Golden Age characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 15:25:12 GMT -5
I need this. Roy Thomas is one of my fave comic writers, and of course I need anything with Namor AND Silver Surfer in it. Together. That has got to be an awesome book. Not to mention, Roy is my favorite writer for Namor. Out of the Namor reads 've read, he seems to be the writer with the most heart for Namor (besides Everett). Diversions of a Groovy Kind once featured a number of splash pages for early appearances of The Defenders and the splash for Sub-Mariner #34 is the first one listed. Uh, I just ordered Sub-Mariner MMWs vol. 5, just so I could have this issue. I mean, obviously I'm going to read the rest of the book and love it (as I have the first 4 volumes already), but yeah. Your recommendations are expensive. But, man, those Marvel Masterworks are really NICE books.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 20, 2015 15:39:06 GMT -5
Diversions of a Groovy Kind once featured a number of splash pages for early appearances of The Defenders and the splash for Sub-Mariner #34 is the first one listed. Uh, I just ordered Sub-Mariner MMWs vol. 5, just so I could have this issue. I mean, obviously I'm going to read the rest of the book and love it (as I have the first 4 volumes already), but yeah. Your recommendations are expensive. But, man, those Marvel Masterworks are really NICE books. You've read a lot more Sub-Mariner than I have! I used to have about half of the issues from Namor's Tales to Astonish series (I got them for the Hulk, but the Namor stories were usually pretty good) and I've read a smattering of the issues from his late Silver Age/early Bronze Age series. In the 1990s, I came across a bunch of the Bill Everett issues from the 1970s era at a good price and so I have 5 or 6 of those. They are really fun comics!
I had no idea the MMWs were up to Volume 5 for Namor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 15:46:09 GMT -5
Uh, I just ordered Sub-Mariner MMWs vol. 5, just so I could have this issue. I mean, obviously I'm going to read the rest of the book and love it (as I have the first 4 volumes already), but yeah. Your recommendations are expensive. But, man, those Marvel Masterworks are really NICE books. You've read a lot more Sub-Mariner than I have! I used to have about half of the issues from Namor's Tales to Astonish series (I got them for the Hulk, but the Namor stories were usually pretty good) and I've read a smattering of the issues from his late Silver Age/early Bronze Age series. In the 1990s, I came across a bunch of the Bill Everett issues from the 1970s era at a good price and so I have 5 or 6 of those. They are really fun comics!
I had no idea the MMWs were up to Volume 5 for Namor.
I have the volumes in MMWs, but I have not read them all. In fact, hardly any at all (because: backlog). Yes! I usually get my MMWs for Namor from a guy on ebay, but vol. 5 is the latest, and he doesn't have it. I think he has overstock, so he doesn't get new MMWs. So, I paid more than I have for any MMW. Typically, I get them for $13 or $15, sealed, from that guy on ebay. But, it seems to me that MMWs go out of print so quickly, so as they keep releasing Namor in them, I will probably snatch them up as soon as they are released. I have Everett's golden age Namor collected in MMW, too, and it's some fantastic stuff! In fact, Namor hasn't been written too poorly until the past decade or so when more recent writers got their hands on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 15:48:27 GMT -5
But, while I appreciate Byrne's Namor, it's (I think I have probably said this a million times, so sorry for the repeat), it's not my favorite version of Namor. I much prefer to read Namor mainly in Atlantis (which Marvel doesn't do a ton of anymore), so bringing him to land all the time I think just leaves it more open for writers to get screwy with him.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 20, 2015 15:50:08 GMT -5
Stan's Silver Surfer: Parable was perhaps my favorite Surfer, though I really disliked the art. Dislike Moebius' art? That's comic book heresy!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 20, 2015 15:59:54 GMT -5
Diversions of a Groovy Kind once featured a number of splash pages for early appearances of The Defenders and the splash for Sub-Mariner #34 is the first one listed. Uh, I just ordered Sub-Mariner MMWs vol. 5, just so I could have this issue. I mean, obviously I'm going to read the rest of the book and love it (as I have the first 4 volumes already), but yeah. Your recommendations are expensive. But, man, those Marvel Masterworks are really NICE books. I agree on both counts.. they're nice and expensive... Most of the ones I have are those that for whatever reason sell regularly on e-bay in the $10-$15 range.... The 1st couple Defenders MMWs fall into that category, btw. I think I paid a bit more for the 3rd one. I think there's a 4th, too, even.
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