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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 26, 2015 9:23:25 GMT -5
I have Flash #1 & 4. They're pretty good. I like the Jackson Guice art. Me, too!!! And even though I think his Wally looks a little too old/mature for being only 20 years old and I think he acts a bit too mature for 20, I really do LOVE his art. And I LOVE this series so much so far that I ordered 15-40 (minus 3 issues that were not in stock) this morning. I will read the next 7 issues digitally. I would read the rest digitally, but 1. My wrists are overworked as it is with my job, so I have to limit my scrolling. 2. For the price of the digital copies via comixology after #50, I can own the actual physical copies. 3. I don't want to read the series on my Kindle Fire because it shrinks it so much, I do not get the full effect of the art. I know what you mean. I'm amazed at how expensive comixology is. In many cases, you can get the physical copy for the same price, and I vastly prefer reading the physical copy. I also have a subscription to Marvel Unlimited, but I don't enjoy reading those nearly as much as the physical comics. One reason is what you point out, that the artwork gets shrunk so much.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 26, 2015 9:32:35 GMT -5
I've really come around on Heck in recent years. I've come to believe that his earlier work at Marvel was undermined to a degree by poor printing techniques that made his fine line work seem muddied. Inappropriate inking may have played into this as well. I also am not sure straight up superhero stuff was really his forte, even though that's what he was mostly asked to deliver. I think he would have been better suited to something like SHIELD. But the guy could draw a lot better than I or many other fans back in the day gave him credit for. Pre-code Don Heck:
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 26, 2015 9:58:16 GMT -5
I've always found Don Heck to be good... he's not the type of artist you say 'oh, good, it's Don Heck!' but he always does a decent job, so that you also aren't turned off by it. His Iron Man is decent. I'm reading the Savage Dragon phonebook edition..read like 6 issues worth. It's really a pretty good story, but very choppy.. .there are jumps of weeks and months that go by from panel to panel, for no reason. I do like that he's willing to let time pass, but I'm not sure how that fits into the rest of Image. Of course, the rest of Image at that time was dreck, so who cares? Also, I did read the 'Incredible Hunk' panels that are a shot at PAD, but there's a FAR more interesting shot at Byrne in the very same issue, as Dragon fights the 'Johnny Redbeard's Nixed Men'. Hilarious stuff. There's also a TNMT crossover (though really barely more than a cameo). I wouldn't reccomend the B & W 'archives' I got though.. the art doesn't translate well (not that it's great to start with)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 10:34:19 GMT -5
Me, too!!! And even though I think his Wally looks a little too old/mature for being only 20 years old and I think he acts a bit too mature for 20, I really do LOVE his art. And I LOVE this series so much so far that I ordered 15-40 (minus 3 issues that were not in stock) this morning. I will read the next 7 issues digitally. I would read the rest digitally, but 1. My wrists are overworked as it is with my job, so I have to limit my scrolling. 2. For the price of the digital copies via comixology after #50, I can own the actual physical copies. 3. I don't want to read the series on my Kindle Fire because it shrinks it so much, I do not get the full effect of the art. I know what you mean. I'm amazed at how expensive comixology is. In many cases, you can get the physical copy for the same price, and I vastly prefer reading the physical copy. I also have a subscription to Marvel Unlimited, but I don't enjoy reading those nearly as much as the physical comics. One reason is what you point out, that the artwork gets shrunk so much. If they had series already in collection, I wouldn't bother with the floppies. But, I'm not waiting on DC to put them into collection.
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Post by Jesse on Jan 26, 2015 11:38:13 GMT -5
I bought Savage Dragon vs. Savage Megaton Man #1 when it first came out and still own it.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 26, 2015 14:53:23 GMT -5
Had a bit of a Silver Age read this afternoon. I read The Avengers #12 (Jan 1965), which had an absolutely barmy storyline about the Mole Man increasing the rotation of the earth, in an attempt to subjugate the human race. It was a pretty silly romp, with the rest of the Avengers and even the Wasp disbelieving Ant-Man's message from the ants that something was wrong deep inside the earth. However, there was a nice surprise appearance from the Red Ghost in this issue. I also read Herbie #13 and #14 (Oct and Dec 1965), which were great fun (obviously!). In particular, there was a neat little story about Herbie getting his mum a new fur coat (from the arctic!) and another about Herbie helping Santa Clause on Christmas Eve, which I really enjoyed. I also read the Doctor Strange stories from Strange Tales #125 - #127 (October - December 1964). The latter two issues were an amazingly good two-part story that featured the first appearance of Dormammu, Clea and the Mindless Ones. There was some incredibly trippy Steve Ditko artwork in this story and Stan Lee's plot was really exciting. These were utterly brilliant Siver Age comics.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 26, 2015 15:09:12 GMT -5
Perhaps it's a generational thing, but when you said 'Herbie' I immediately though of the car.
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Post by badwolf on Jan 26, 2015 18:35:37 GMT -5
Same here.
I wonder how many "deadly duos" there were. Seems that phrase was used a lot back then.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jan 27, 2015 3:39:40 GMT -5
I've really come around on Heck in recent years. I've come to believe that his earlier work at Marvel was undermined to a degree by poor printing techniques that made his fine line work seem muddied. Inappropriate inking may have played into this as well. I also am not sure straight up superhero stuff was really his forte, even though that's what he was mostly asked to deliver. I think he would have been better suited to something like SHIELD. But the guy could draw a lot better than I or many other fans back in the day gave him credit for. Pre-code Don Heck: Now thats the sort of work I'd be all over now. dbutler69 asked what turned me onto Heck and in thinking about this I cant rightly give a definitive answer. Like many I always thought his style was weak/poor as a kid. Reading the early Avengers comics now though, I see some great work, and some beautiful dames...I guess the title suits women who show up in those noirish stories from the 50s and 60s. Im no scholar of the genre, I cant speak to his storytelling techniques etc but as I have gotten older I am appreciating these older artists from the 40s and 50s. Seeing the works of Heck, Tuska, John Severin, Alex Toth, Johnny Craig, and more names Ive discovered because of this site like Matt Baker and Lou Fine. I know, theres dozens more but Im blanking now. I see the above and Im thinking Francesco Francavilla, is he the only current artist capable of giving us this quality of work, Chris Samnee as well maybe. Anyhow...Heck, Tuska, and Andru get a much fairer judgement from me now, and Im all the better for it.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 27, 2015 10:22:23 GMT -5
Finished the Savage Dragon archive... lots of rip offs (or 'tributes' if you prefer), but not too bad as 90s comics go. I really like the Superhero-as-cop thing.. it's a cool concept that hasn't been done much. I never realized Larsen had a feud with Byrne as well as PAD (or perhaps he just hates everyone)... after the 'Nixed Men' thing, he then turns the girl into 'She-Dragon' and has her, on at least 3 occasions, breaking the fourth wall and asking the readers questions. It wasn't nearly as funny as the Nixed men, though, so I'll skip posting it.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 27, 2015 19:18:01 GMT -5
Just read Pep #274. Let's just say that whoever thought it was a good idea to let Al Hartley have free reign should have had their head examined.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 27, 2015 19:41:05 GMT -5
Finished the Savage Dragon archive... lots of rip offs (or 'tributes' if you prefer), but not too bad as 90s comics go. I really like the Superhero-as-cop thing.. it's a cool concept that hasn't been done much. I never realized Larsen had a feud with Byrne as well as PAD (or perhaps he just hates everyone)... after the 'Nixed Men' thing, he then turns the girl into 'She-Dragon' and has her, on at least 3 occasions, breaking the fourth wall and asking the readers questions. It wasn't nearly as funny as the Nixed men, though, so I'll skip posting it. I have entire 200 issue Savage Dragon run ( and counting) , as well as , the various mini series attached to the character. It has transcended the label of 90's crap and is a solid superhero series. He did have a feud with the creators that you mentioned but it seemed to be in self defense. Many of the creators for the big 2 attacked the Image guys. Byrne and David should have supported artists that branched out to own their creations but it seemed that they showed a lot of jealousy instead.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 27, 2015 21:44:30 GMT -5
Well, you can't blame them TOO much, most of 90s Image is unpardonable, ugly garbage. I did like Dragon, though... I'll keep my eyes open for more of them, for certain.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 27, 2015 23:20:02 GMT -5
Finished the Savage Dragon archive... lots of rip offs (or 'tributes' if you prefer), but not too bad as 90s comics go. I really like the Superhero-as-cop thing.. it's a cool concept that hasn't been done much. I never realized Larsen had a feud with Byrne as well as PAD (or perhaps he just hates everyone)... after the 'Nixed Men' thing, he then turns the girl into 'She-Dragon' and has her, on at least 3 occasions, breaking the fourth wall and asking the readers questions. It wasn't nearly as funny as the Nixed men, though, so I'll skip posting it. I have entire 200 issue Savage Dragon run ( and counting) , as well as , the various mini series attached to the character. It has transcended the label of 90's crap and is a solid superhero series. He did have a feud with the creators that you mentioned but it seemed to be in self defense. Many of the creators for the big 2 attacked the Image guys. Byrne and David should have supported artists that branched out to own their creations but it seemed that they showed a lot of jealousy instead. I got to the point where I found both Byrne and David to be insufferable. I can still enjoy Byrne's X-Men, but I find most of his FF work to be adequate. (Though some of it is pretty good. I am completely mystified by fans who think Byrne was better than Lee and Kirby.) And some of the Byrne stuff I read after FF is not very good at all. (Wonder Woman comes to mind.)
Peter David, on the other hand, was never much more than an above average writer in a medium where being above average is really nothing to brag about. I read his Hulk for a long time and then his Supergirl revival, but neither one is a series that I ever have any desire to read again. When I used to look through them, I still admired the art on both series but I quickly lost interest in the stories. Especially Supergirl. The whole "Angel/Devil" think just wasn't that clever.
And, wow, did Peter David write some drivel in his CBG columns!
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jan 28, 2015 0:03:27 GMT -5
Read Fury of Firestorm #7, my first reading of this character as I picked up the issue today at a local shop. I enjoyed the art, the story for me was kind of corny and I am not too sure I love Firestorm. Is the original 4 or 5 issue series better? Does this saga get better? I find his persona, what with having two people merging into one similar to Captain Marvel/Rick Jones (which I love) and I just feel this isn't as well executed as a concept
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