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Post by Confessor on Dec 16, 2018 2:55:02 GMT -5
Was listening to 'John Sinclair' today and it finally struck me where Lennon got the melody for this piece from. Can't believe I only noticed this now. There is a passing similarity, I guess, but both songs are derived from 12-bar blues chord changes -- specifically a minor jazz-blues progression -- so that's likely the reason for the similarity. There are literally thousands of songs built of those basic songwriting blocks. It is possible that Lennon was unconsciously influenced by the Spider-Man theme song, of course, but given that both "John Sinclair" and the Spider-Man theme are blues derived songs, I think it's more likely to be a coincidence. The '60s Batman theme tune is also 12-bar blues.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 27, 2022 14:25:01 GMT -5
I've read from multiple sources the past few days that in September there will be an official announcement that the next Beatles Remix Deluxe Box Set album release will be Revolver with Giies Martin at the helm.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 27, 2022 19:01:24 GMT -5
I've read from multiple sources the past few days that in September there will be an official announcement that the next Beatles Remix Deluxe Box Set album release will be Revolver with Giies Martin at the helm. Yeah, I've heard that too. Screw Giles Martin and his remixes though, you may as well have Julian Lennon or Zak Starkey remix the Beatles catalogue. His remixes are an utter irrelevancy to me. As if the Beatles albums needed improving! That said, the outtakes that will undoubtedly accompany the set will be worth hearing. However, I do already own a fairly exhaustive 4 CD bootleg set of the Revolver Sessions, so I doubt there'll be that much I haven't heard before.
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Post by berkley on Aug 27, 2022 22:19:29 GMT -5
I've read from multiple sources the past few days that in September there will be an official announcement that the next Beatles Remix Deluxe Box Set album release will be Revolver with Giies Martin at the helm. Yeah, I've heard that too. Screw Giles Martin and his remixes though, you may as well have Julian Lennon or Zak Starkey remix the Beatles catalogue. His remixes are an utter irrelevancy to me. As if the Beatles albums needed improving! That said, the outtakes that will undoubtedly accompany the set will be worth hearing. However, I do already own a fairly exhaustive 4 CD bootleg set of the Revolver Sessions, so I doubt there'll be that much I haven't heard before. Wow, first I've seen of that - are there similar "sessions editions" of other Beatles albums?
I don't get the motivation behind the remixes either, especially for these records that were so famously well-produced in the first place. I can see the reasoning in certain particular cases - Let It Be for example, where one of the actual creators, McCartney, had never been satisfied with the original released version. But randomly re-mixing famous albums "just because"? Seems like a straight money-grab to me.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 27, 2022 23:27:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I've heard that too. Screw Giles Martin and his remixes though, you may as well have Julian Lennon or Zak Starkey remix the Beatles catalogue. His remixes are an utter irrelevancy to me. As if the Beatles albums needed improving! That said, the outtakes that will undoubtedly accompany the set will be worth hearing. However, I do already own a fairly exhaustive 4 CD bootleg set of the Revolver Sessions, so I doubt there'll be that much I haven't heard before. Wow, first I've seen of that - are there similar "sessions editions" of other Beatles albums?
I don't get the motivation behind the remixes either, especially for these records that were so famously well-produced in the first place. I can see the reasoning in certain particular cases - Let It Be for example, where one of the actual creators, McCartney, had never been satisfied with the original released version. But randomly re-mixing famous albums "just because"? Seems like a straight money-grab to me.
i'm only interested in what they include as bonus material from the archive and as long as it's higher quality than what is to be found on most bootlegs
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Post by berkley on Aug 28, 2022 1:50:20 GMT -5
Wow, first I've seen of that - are there similar "sessions editions" of other Beatles albums?
I don't get the motivation behind the remixes either, especially for these records that were so famously well-produced in the first place. I can see the reasoning in certain particular cases - Let It Be for example, where one of the actual creators, McCartney, had never been satisfied with the original released version. But randomly re-mixing famous albums "just because"? Seems like a straight money-grab to me.
i'm only interested in what they include as bonus material from the archive and as long as it's higher quality than what is to be found on most bootlegs yeah, that's where they get you, the bastards. I love hearing the demos, alternate versions, tracks that never made it onto the record, etc and have bought many new editions of old favourites just for that material - and will no doubt continue to do so!
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Post by Confessor on Aug 28, 2022 5:09:27 GMT -5
i'm only interested in what they include as bonus material from the archive and as long as it's higher quality than what is to be found on most bootlegs yeah, that's where they get you, the bastards. I love hearing the demos, alternate versions, tracks that never made it onto the record, etc and have bought many new editions of old favourites just for that material - and will no doubt continue to do so! In that respect, I think Bob Dylan's "bootleg series" of releases get it right. Each volume focuses on a particular album or time period and consists of nothing but session outtakes and other rarities. There's no making you buy the original albums a second time.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 28, 2022 5:22:50 GMT -5
Wow, first I've seen of that - are there similar "sessions editions" of other Beatles albums? I don't believe there are other albums done in that exact same series of bootlegs, but of course there are other Beatles bootlegs that focus on other albums. For example, I have another 4 CD bootleg set called 1965 Through A Cloud Of Smoke, which is full of outtakes from Help! and Rubber Soul. Incidentally, the sound quality on these Beatles bootlegs is very good. They are basically of official release quality -- maybe just a touch lower, but certainly not lo-fi or poor quality. The quality of Beatles bootlegs took a quantum leap in 1989 and 1990 with the release of the Ultra Rare Trax series; these were really the first Beatles bootlegs with comparable sound quality to an official release. Those were sourced from cassette dubs that Apple employee John Barrett made in the early 80s direct from the Abbey Road mixing desks, so they are only one generation away from the mastertapes. As you can imagine, they sound really good.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 28, 2022 5:29:35 GMT -5
I wonder if the Beatles' experimental song Carnival of Light will ever see the light of day. I'm sure it will be quite disappointing, making Revolution #9 seem good. But still, get it out there already!!
Agree on those Dylan official Bootleg volumes. I believe I have and heard the complete set
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Post by berkley on Aug 28, 2022 21:24:18 GMT -5
I'll have to have a serious look for those Beatles bootlegs.
I agree on the Dylan Bootleg series too. I have most of the ones from the 1960s and 70s, but not much after that as my knowledge of Dylan's output becomes increasingly spotty over passing years.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2022 1:34:00 GMT -5
I wonder if the Beatles' experimental song Carnival of Light will ever see the light of day. I'm sure it will be quite disappointing, making Revolution #9 seem good. But still, get it out there already!! I'm sure you already know this, but it was originally slated to appear on the Anthology 2 album, but it was vetoed by George Harrison,I believe.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 29, 2022 3:44:22 GMT -5
Yes, I believe you are right. Carnival Of Light was mostly a Paul McCartney experiment but the Beatles have an agreement that there needs to be unanimous consent amongst the survivors and the other estate members as to what Beatle material gets released
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 12, 2022 12:21:20 GMT -5
The Beatles' Deluxe Revolver track listing has been revealed. No abandoned songs or songs finished for future albums are included. Confessor It's hard to read all the track names you posted on the bootleg version. Did any appear there?
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Post by Confessor on Sept 12, 2022 18:27:51 GMT -5
The Beatles' Deluxe Revolver track listing has been revealed. No abandoned songs or songs finished for future albums are included. Confessor It's hard to read all the track names you posted on the bootleg version. Did any appear there? No, there aren't any unused outtake songs from the Revolver sessions or any songs that were started in those sessions but held over for later albums. That's been known for sure since 1988, when Mark Lewisohn's The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions came out. The Beatles only worked on 16 songs during those sessions: the 14 that are found on the UK Revolver album and "Paperback Writer" and "Rain", which were released in May 1966 as a non-album single. Looking online, there's quite a lot of duplication between this new Deluxe Edition and the bootlegs I've got, but the sound quality on the official release will of course be improved (though the bootlegs are very good quality anyway). These two discs of Revolver outtakes look interesting, but like many of these deluxe Beatles sets, its a shame we didn't get more stuff. This official release has 31 tracks of alternate takes -- a handful of which had already appeared on the Anthology 2 album in 1996 -- whereas the 4 CD bootleg set I have has a total of 125 tracks (although admittedly some of those tracks are monitor mixes, unused mono reference mixes, and isolated overdubs, rather than actual outtake recordings). That said, I'm very excited to see three outtake tracks from the "Love You To" sessions included on this new set: no outtake from those recording sessions has ever been leaked on a bootleg. In particular, I notice that Take 1 of "Love You To" is included, which Lewisohn described as featuring George Harrison on acoustic guitar and vocals, with harmonies by Paul McCartney -- so, no Indian instrumentation on it at all! I've been dying to hear that version since I first read Lewisohn's book back in the late '80s. Also of interest are a couple of early takes of "I'm Only Sleeping", take 2 of "Eleanor Rigby", a 'songwriting work tape' of "Yellow Submarine", and take 6 of "Here, There And Everywhere", none of which have ever been bootlegged before. John Lennon's acoustic home demo of "She Said She Said" is also included and, while that has appeared on various bootlegs since the early '90s, the sound quality has always been pretty lousy. So, hopefully the version here will be sourced from the original first generation reel-to-reel tape.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 13, 2022 15:58:23 GMT -5
Here's a real interesting video that appeared a few days back. Some Beatles fans were fascinated by the abandoned song Watching Rainbows and combed thru all the footage from the Let It Be sessions to incorporate other abandoned pieces to make it a finished song. What they came up with towards the end was real nice
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