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Post by senatortombstone on Mar 25, 2016 0:03:35 GMT -5
I have been collecting comic books for nearly 30 years, starting with Archie digests at the grocery checkout lanes, to super hero comics at specialty stores, to bulk deals and bargain bins at conventions, to eBay. The more experienced I became at collecting, the better deals I found, with conventions and fire sales being the best deals around. I find buying off eBay to be risky as everyone says their books are near-mint and it is difficult to make out defects in paper from photos. I never liked that the UPCs on books purchased from grocery stores and retail book stores usually are the CC version, instead of the direct edition. Also, the books at grocery stores and book stores tend to get worn from being frequently mishandled by customers.
However, in my experience, the worst place to find deals on comic books are at antiques stores/malls. I have been to many such places and while comics are plentiful, they are almost always in poor condition and grossly overpriced. Books one might find at convention quarter bin can go for several dollars at antique store, dog-eared, torn, and stained.
So I was wondering if anyone has an idea as to why antique stores tend to have worn and overpriced comic books. I have never found a good deal on comics at an antique store, but perhaps some of you have.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 25, 2016 0:14:54 GMT -5
I think that antique stores are very bad at paper in general. And I think a lot of it is that they tend to be the classic "Jack of all trades, master of none." They tend to know a little about a lot of things but not a lot about any one thing. And the one thing they know the least about is comics, and more broadly paper...magazines, paperback books, etc. They know just enough to think that some are worth something, but not enough to know which ones are not worth anything.
It also is probably that not a lot of people go into antique stores actually looking for comic books. If you're looking for comics you're going to go to a comic book shop. What they are hoping when they price those comics at such an outrageous price is that the person looking at the antique stereo or the depression glass will see the comic and have a nostalgia reaction and drop $5 on a comic that's worth a quarter without knowing they are getting less than their moneys worth.
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Post by MDG on Mar 25, 2016 8:12:10 GMT -5
If an antique store has any comics, they probably were part of a large lot of furniture, etc. Unless they see an early Superman or Batman in a stack of comics, they probably aren't going to put too much time and energy into them. More likely, if the comics seemed like they might be valuable, they'd probably just try to sell them to a comic dealer.
But if they call a comic dealer and say, "I found a bunch of 60s Dell Tarzans and Disney books that are pretty worn," the dealers not going to touch them. Why not stick them on a table for $3? (Which is what I paid this summer for a beat up Dell book with cover-to-cover Toth art.)
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Mar 25, 2016 9:27:36 GMT -5
I agree with the comments here about antique stores selling comics.
The only time I have bought comics at an antique store was when I was on vacation. I guess I justified overpaying because I would never be in that store again. Maybe that's what antique stores count on. But this was before you could buy comics on the internet.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 25, 2016 10:00:58 GMT -5
I have an antique store near me that does a good job with comics. But that's because it's really more of an "antique mall". It's one large store area, but it rents out space to a large number of different sellers that specialize in different things. One of them happens to specialize in comics/magazines/memorabilia. They have a couple dozen long boxes, in (more or less) alphabetical order. Most of the comics are in the $1-$3 range, bagged and boarded, and in usually very good to fine (or better) condition. There's some of the 90's stuff, but most is in the 70's and 80's, occasionally older. I've gotten some of my 100 Page Super Spectaculars there for $5 or less.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 25, 2016 11:00:03 GMT -5
As DE said, antique malls are often better than antique stores, because you have multiple vendors. This means more chances at comics, and more chances that those people won't know what they're doing with the prices - either positively or negatively. I've gotten plenty of good deals at antique stores over the years, though I just as often see overpriced stuff or pure junk. But just as one example, I have a nice mid-grade Marvel Premiere #15 - 1st Iron Fist in about a 6.5 - that I paid $2 for last year at an antique store, along with a couple mid-high grade 100 page Batman issues that were the same price. It just depends on luck.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 25, 2016 13:33:51 GMT -5
I generally find it's pretty hit or miss with comic books at stores that aren't comic book stores. Most people say, at an antique store or general used book store, just say 'hey, a comic book from 1986, that's worth $5'. If they've just been put there, you could get lucky and find a key issue cheap that the store person had no idea was important. OTOH, most often those issues are quickly picked over, so the rest is $1 bin fodder (and usually beat up dollar bin fodder).
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Post by tolworthy on Mar 25, 2016 13:44:38 GMT -5
Sounds like a statistical effect. Antique stores do not know the price of comics. So comics are priced randomly. When comics are priced too cheap, the first comic fan who walks in buys every single copy. So the only ones we see are over priced.
On a tangent, old computer stuff is often vastly overpriced at second hand shops. The managers are usually retired volunteers, see the enormous price labels (e.g. a 1990s game for £50), and charge maybe £5. But are unaware that the media may not even play, and better stuff is usually online now for free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 13:52:56 GMT -5
Where I'm from Antique Stores rarely have Comic Books to sell and they hardly gets sold and they ended up thrown out and dread that because it's might have an early Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Batman, Wonder Woman, and even Superman Comics in the pile. I know one store that have a policy that any comic books doesn't get sold in a month - they all gets thrown out in the garbage. I fear that greatly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 14:23:03 GMT -5
See I found that a lot of Antique store owners will take the time to look up prices-whatever the mint price in whatever year of Overstreet they happen to have is the price they slap on the book no matter what grade it is. When you ask about the price, they will even tell you proudly they checked the price in Overstreet. Which means all that dollar bin fodder is priced at the minimum Overstreet price for any book (which was $4 last I checked but is set at whatever the cover price is for current books now) and evertything is priced at what a high grade copy will go for without any regard for the fac tit is a reading copy at best. I don't see random prices, I see misguided attempts to price books at "Guide" without understanding the nuances of comic grading. In general, they use paper product grading standards on comics, not the much more finicky comic book grading/pricing scale.
A couple of the Antique malls around here have a reference library for vendors consisting of various price guides for different areas of stuff (Disney price guides, Star Wars price guides, antiques price guides, coin price guides, etc. and there is always a semi-current (within the last year or so) edition of Overstreet among the stuff that the dealers use to price up their stuff.
The other thing is they don't like to update prices-if something is priced out and sits for a while and the market on a book changes, often the prices won't reflect those changes either up or down-so a Death of Superman might still be priced at $25 but some book that just took off because of movie speculation might still be out there at dirt cheap prices (like say some early Suicide Squad or Legends issue sitting in a long box for a few years at a dealer's stall).
It's a crapshoot, but that's part of the thrill of the hunt if you enjoy that sort of thing.
Of course the question is-what is a more accurate real price for stuff-something determined by collectors or the price something will get with a general consumer. The market sets the price, not a small contingent of the market, so if people buy comics at whatever the price they are marked at, that is the true market price not what a guide or a collector's segment thinks the price should be. If people are willing to pay $5 for that beat up Dell Tarzan issue, then it's worth $5 even if a guide says it should be $2 or $20 or it sells for something different at a con or on ebay. With any non-necessity, the buyers determine the value and decides if the marked price is acceptable (unfortunately a lot of consumers don't have the discretion or the patience to say no to prices set by sellers that do not reflect value on a lot of luxury goods, so prices paid may not reflect value, but that's still the consumer's choice setting the market prices).
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Post by MatthewP on Mar 25, 2016 14:42:24 GMT -5
I enjoy looking through antique stores and malls, and agree that the comics to be found there are rarely of much interest and almost always over-priced. However, one can get lucky. On 2 or 3 occasions I have found platinum age books from the 1920's at reasonable prices. I got books like Mutt and Jeff or Bringing Up Father for about $30 each, which is well below guide and very reasonable for such old books, I think. I'm guessing people don't even know where to look up such books, so just guess on a price, which worked nicely for me.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 25, 2016 15:03:18 GMT -5
A firend and I saw this in an antique shop window when we were about 12 or 13. It must have been about 1966-67. Comic is from 1940. Only comic there. An old lady owned it. It was in G/Vg condition. We both wanted it, so we flipped a coin for it. He won and bought it. For a quarter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 17:43:18 GMT -5
I have been collecting comic books for nearly 30 years, starting with Archie digests at the grocery checkout lanes, to super hero comics at specialty stores, to bulk deals and bargain bins at conventions, to eBay. The more experienced I became at collecting, the better deals I found, with conventions and fire sales being the best deals around. I find buying off eBay to be risky as everyone says their books are near-mint and it is difficult to make out defects in paper from photos. I never liked that the UPCs on books purchased from grocery stores and retail book stores usually are the CC version, instead of the direct edition. Also, the books at grocery stores and book stores tend to get worn from being frequently mishandled by customers. However, in my experience, the worst place to find deals on comic books are at antiques stores/malls. I have been to many such places and while comics are plentiful, they are almost always in poor condition and grossly overpriced. Books one might find at convention quarter bin can go for several dollars at antique store, dog-eared, torn, and stained. So I was wondering if anyone has an idea as to why antique stores tend to have worn and overpriced comic books. I have never found a good deal on comics at an antique store, but perhaps some of you have. Your thoughts? Same reason they sell for so much more whenever they appear on Home Shopping channels. Old people don't know how to price check collectibles they aren't experts on already, and tend to impulse buy gifts when they see something at their favorite place to shop. They figure it must be a good deal because that antique hutch or fireplace tool stand were and they pay without giving it a second thought. I don't even think the retailers are trying to screw anyone over or price unfairly. They likely have a Wizard guide from 1991 they base their prices on. Or they just wing it because that's how they price everything and things tend to sell. I've seen deals at antique shops, but rarely.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 25, 2016 17:44:37 GMT -5
I completely echo the sentiments here about antique shops. At this point, I don't even bother stopping and looking, for all of the reasons listed above. Flea markets are getting tougher, especially with folks who are there week after week, because their stock has already been picked over and all they have left are old Gold Key books and a handful of beat-up Archies.
Antique malls are a different story, as some of those folks actually know what they are putting out. One that is by my house used to have a guy who had a booth that was just comic books. He would come in every Monday, box up the books that were still there and swap them out with all new stuff. His pricing was more than fair, as he knew how to grade and was pricing things to sell, not to get rich. I grabbed a Daredevil #63 in at least Fine condition for $3.25, an Amazing Spider-Man #65 of similar grade for $13, and a higher-grade Spectacular Spider-Man #1 for $8.25 on one trip. Sadly, he lost interest in doing the weekly thing, so his stock grew stale, and within three months, he'd shut down the booth entirely.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 25, 2016 19:07:30 GMT -5
I will agree with some of the antique mall statements in that they tend to price things way above what they are worth. I think they just look at it, see it is from the 70's and assume someone will back $5-10 for an old comic in rough condition.
However, you do also find this as a benefit, especially when they take this approach with a book that is collectible or does have value. As a rule, I enter antique malls looking for a laugh...because it seems like there is the most oddball stuff present. For example, a recent stop I made had me find the following:
- A stuffed dog's head lamp (the head wasn't real...I hope...but was furry) - A 3-D picture of an angry deer jumping through the photo frame at the viewer - Life size camel statue - Mannequins (old ones, with missing limbs...always creepy) - A misspelled wedding sign with two arrows... One said "Ceramony" and the other said "Coctail Hour" spelled as I typed them.
If I do find comics, I approach with low expectations so that if I do find something, I am happy. Best finds for me so far was a $2 copy of Maus, a $2 copy of a somewhat rare Kitchen Sink Press comic and a $2 copy of Daredevil #292. Nothing fancy folks
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