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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2021 18:39:14 GMT -5
Treated myself to lunch and seeing Dune today before it goes away. It's down to 2 showings a day, once at 1pm then evening show at 7pm here in Phoenix. Only 2 of us in attendance. Truly is a must see on the big screen for the visuals. Such vast, deadly yet beautiful seas of sand. Incredible science fiction creations looking eerily unique yet also real, functional and relatable. Wonderful casting and characterization combined with just enough action that I never once checked the time. Though desperate for a bathroom break around 2hrs, had to hold off for fear of missing anything. A bit slow in places but captivating cast and visual scenery and effects helps hold the interest. Remembering only the basics of plot since NOT read the books since late 70's, saw the original movie in 80's and bits of the HBO series I wasn't taken out of the movie and felt immersed within the world and crafting of this movie. Thought they stopped at a very good point so the next movie can dive into the "growth" of the envisioned profit warrior Paul. Again, have to say for those waiting, you need to see it NOW on a theater screen to fully absorb it all. Oh, how I can relate! I fully agree: people, you have to see this on a big screen with a powerful sound system.
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Post by berkley on Nov 19, 2021 21:33:01 GMT -5
Treated myself to lunch and seeing Dune today before it goes away. It's down to 2 showings a day, once at 1pm then evening show at 7pm here in Phoenix. Only 2 of us in attendance. Truly is a must see on the big screen for the visuals. Such vast, deadly yet beautiful seas of sand. Incredible science fiction creations looking eerily unique yet also real, functional and relatable. Wonderful casting and characterization combined with just enough action that I never once checked the time. Though desperate for a bathroom break around 2hrs, had to hold off for fear of missing anything. A bit slow in places but captivating cast and visual scenery and effects helps hold the interest. Remembering only the basics of plot since NOT read the books since late 70's, saw the original movie in 80's and bits of the HBO series I wasn't taken out of the movie and felt immersed within the world and crafting of this movie. Thought they stopped at a very good point so the next movie can dive into the "growth" of the envisioned profit warrior Paul. Again, have to say for those waiting, you need to see it NOW on a theater screen to fully absorb it all. Oh, how I can relate! I fully agree: people, you have to see 5his on a big screen with a powerful sound system.
I had the same experience with both Dune and the latest James Bond movie. They should really have intermissions for longer movies.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 20, 2021 13:07:56 GMT -5
I did not like Dune at all. I felt it missed the mark in many ways. And the visuals were just okay. I know I am in the minority.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 20, 2021 17:08:19 GMT -5
I did not like Dune at all. I felt it missed the mark in many ways. And the visuals were just okay. I know I am in the minority. Blasphemy, I say, blasphemy! For my part, it's one of a small trio of movies I went to see three times upon initial release, and the other two were back when I was an enthusiastic kid. I have rarely been so emotionally moved by a movie's visuals, sound and music working their alchemy in such perfect unison. Several of the scenes had me shaking in sheer awe. As they say, we all have different tastes... but I'll be darned if this one wasn't exactly suited to mine!
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Post by berkley on Nov 20, 2021 19:47:09 GMT -5
I did not like Dune at all. I felt it missed the mark in many ways. And the visuals were just okay. I know I am in the minority.
I think my reaction falls somewhere between yours and RR's: I liked it a lot, but some f the visuals felt a little bland to me. I think there could have been a better use of colour to make a contrast with the sameness of the desert planet setting. There was a bit of that - Atreides court dress uniforms, for example - but not enough, to my taste.
I thought it was a mis-cue to have the Sardakar in white: too reminscent of the hapless Star Wars storm troopers when they should have been going for exactly the opposite effect. And generally, though the script talked them up a bit, they weren't as impressive as they should have been in the action scenes: Duncan Idaho slices through a dozen or more of them with relative ease after saying how tough they are.
Ferguson's Jessica was far too weepy and emotional in the earlier scenes, though she improved later. The Gender-shifting of Kynes was pointless and changing her motivation to revengeful widow was a dis-service to the charcter and not at all conducive to the presumed end of the gender change since it sends the message that a woman can only be motivated by personal, family or pair-bond reasons. Momoa was miscast as Idaho but to be fair, not as bad as the preview had led me to fear: that was his worst scene and he got better as the movie progressed, though for me he'll always be too big and bulky for the character.
Skarsgard was good as the Baron theough he channelled Brando in Apocolypse Now ffar too blatantly. The actor who played Thufir Hawat seemed the wrong physical type to me but I can't recall if that's from the book's description or just my own imagination. Calamet I just do not like, but given that personal distaste on my part he didn't interfere with my enjoyment of the film as badly as I feared he might.
In general, as I've said many times over the years, I think you need a British and/or Eupropean cast to convincingly get across the aristocratic setting of Dune. American actors come across as bland and mundane, for the most part - Leto in this film too often felt more like a contemporary suburban dad than the duke of a great House in Dune's futuristic feudal society, for example.
But I still greatly enjoyed the film and look forward to the next one.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 20, 2021 19:58:26 GMT -5
I realize my opinion is in the minority, and I could go into detail the many ways I thing the movie missed. But I won't. I don't want to convince anyone who enjoyed it that it was bad.Which would be fruitless anyway.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 20, 2021 20:42:23 GMT -5
I did not like Dune at all. I felt it missed the mark in many ways. And the visuals were just okay. I know I am in the minority. I think my reaction falls somewhere between yours and RR's: I liked it a lot, but some f the visuals felt a little bland to me. I think there could have been a better use of colour to make a contrast with the sameness of the desert planet setting. Tastes are of course individual and relative in nature, but this starkness was something that greatly pleased me; it was interesting to see how this very sober take contrasted with the baroque (and equally interesting) vision of Lynch in the 1984 version. Fair point, but I think that was meant to show how utterly badass Duncan was. The Sardaukar's introductory scene was chilling, and we saw a handful of them mow down a whole squad of Atreides soldiers without raising a sweat! They also wiped out the Fremen from the ecological station, although that happened off-screen. I'll say! I am quote surprised to see how cheerful and joke-prone Ferguson is compared to her very serious interpretation of Jessica. She's quite an actress! Is that how you saw it? I didn't get a revenge motivation vibe from Kynes... just the impression that she was a decent person who was torn between her duty to the empire and what she knew was right. The mention of her having married a Fremen, to me, just planted the seed for the revelation that she's likely Chani's mother. Of course, her having lost her spouse would mean that she would be doubly on the side of the Fremen (and whoever she would deem to be an asset to her people) rather than on the side of Shaddam or (ugh) the Harkonnens. He was nothing like the Duncan Idaho I had imagined, that's for sure, but once passed the discomfort of having a Hollywood star essentially play himself, I thought he brought some needed emotional resonance to the cast. Momoa is a sympathetic fellow, and he made the bond between Idaho and Paul instantly visible. Personally I'd rather have complete or near-complete unknowns hold the major roles in such movies, but I thought it turned out pretty well in the end. Heh! True, dat. But if you gotta steal, steal from the best! And I was floored by how the visual effects made most everything look real... So far from the obvious CGI-videogame aesthetics that are standard nowadays! Plus the sound (admittedly helped by a theater's sound system clearly better than my TV's speakers)... coupled with Zimmer's music, this was 2001-level material. I also loved how the worms were kept hidden from sight for most of the movie, like the shark from Jaws. That reinforced their status as a quasi force of nature. Goshdarnit, I may just go see it again tomorrow before it leaves; I can't imagine that it would be as good on an iPad or a computer screen! *edit* I did. It's now the only film I saw four times upon its release.
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Post by berkley on Nov 20, 2021 22:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah, the casting, though still a weak point for me personally, wasn't as bad as I'd feared it would be: I was really afraid it was going to ruin the movie for me altogether, but I could put up with it, for the most part. OTOH, the visuals weren't quite as mind-blowing as I'd hoped they'd be - again, just my personal reaction. So in the end it all sort of balanced out into a good but not great viewing experience for me.
I'll probably re-read the book in a few years, as I progress from the late 50s through the 60s in my SF-reading, and then I'll see how much f my menta pictures of the characters and setting derived from Herbert's descriptions and how much was just from my own imagination. For example, I had a picture of Thufir Hawat as a lean type, physically, but I can't remember where it came from.
I'm also curious to be reminded of how the plot was structured in the novel, because I had an idea that if they had done three movies instead of two, it might have been a good idea to spend more time on the court machinations and imperial politics, with the Atreides' taking on the governance of Arrakis and their experience there getting a slower build-up - how they gain the trust of the Fremen to a degree and of their workers, for example (I remember this as being the point of the spice-harvester rescue scene in the novel but it seemed to be glossed over a bit in the movie). But again, I can't remember if this is just my own preference and interest in those aspects of the story, or if the book actually does spend significantly more time on it.
And yes, agreed about the Sardaukar intro: we never actually see Salusa Secundus in the novel, that I recall, so that was a bold move by Villeneuve and he pulled it off pretty well.
I also liked the secret sign-langauge employed by Jessica and Paul - that was done really effectively.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2021 10:04:54 GMT -5
I didn't want to necromance a thread that hasn't had a post in three years on it, so I'm posting this here. After putting it off forever due to some of the things I'd heard (gratuitous hyper-violence, gratuitous language, gratuitous rude humor, gratuitous nudity), I finally watched Deadpool on Sunday night.
Yeah, all of those elements were present and in some instances a little off-putting, but I didn't hate it. Ryan Reynolds was born to play the character, Morena Baccarin is stunningly beautiful and gives depth and vulnerability to a character that could have been left a cypher, and the story actually held up pretty well.
Not something I would probably ever choose to watch again, but it wasn't a waste of an evening.
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Post by berkley on Nov 26, 2021 2:00:23 GMT -5
Saw the new Ridley Scott movie, The Last Duel: a film with a lot of flaws, but still one of the most compelling new movies I've seen the last few years. The title refers to a real even, the last judicial trial by combat in France (or all of Europe? not sure), which took place in the late 14th century. It isn't giving away any spoilers to let you know that it concerns an accusation of rape and has a Rashoman structure in which the same story or incidents are told from three different perspectives: the husband of the victim, the accused, and finally the victim herself - or rather, "The Truth", as so that segment is titled. Then the fourth and final segment is the duel itself - one of the best extended combat scenes in film history, I'll go out on a limb and declare. I haven't had chance yet to read up about it but I wonder if some of the details were taken from contemporary accounts, because it really felt authentic - as far as I can judge from my sheltered 21st century perspective. At any rate, I felt it got across more efectively than anything I can think of at the moment, not only the adrenalin rush that violent combat scenes do at their best, but also something of the randomness and brutality and sheer horror (for the spectator, I mean) that I think this kind of fighting must have involved. When I read things like the Iliad, I often feel that if anyone were to attempt a faithful film version, one of the things they'd have to do would be to treat some of the battle scenes more in the style of a visceral horror movie than an action or period drama. I don't want to over-state the matter for fear of creating unrealistic expectations, but Scott's Last Duel probably comes closer to the kind of thing I've envisaged than anything else I can recall at the moment. The film also did a pretty good job at presenting 14-th century era politics and socio-economic conditions, though mainly from the perspective of the feudal lords and their vassals. The details of the disputes between or amongst the various characters were complex and involved all those aspects - war, politics, social relations, economic demands, I almost wished they had gone into all that even more thoroughly, but realistically Scott was probably pushing his luck with audiences as it is. Perhaps I'll have to read the book it was based on to get into those details ( The Last Duel, by Eric Jager). The main actors were Matt Damon, Adam Driver, Jodie Comer, and Ben Affleck. As usual, I had a bit of a problem with the US actors in this European historical drama, but they were all pretty good - or rather, to be more fair, or more specific, they were all really good in most respects - e.g. appearance, demeanour, body language, screen presence - but less effective, or less consistent in their speech. In that, Comer really stood out and she at the least matched the rest of the cast in every other way, so for me she was the standout performer of the film. But I don't want to downplay the others. I've never been a great fan of Affleck, Damon, or Driver, though I don't actively dislike any of them either, but I thought they were all very good, apart from some (not all) of the dialogue. And you could see they pt a lot of work into it. On the whole, I came away from the movie thinking better of them than I had previously - not that I ever had any great distaste for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 19:50:31 GMT -5
Note to folks-this upcoming movie is politically charged-it stars the man who was the ring bearer in my wife and I's wedding when he was 13, so we are beaming with pride for him, but because of the nature and topic of the film, I am putting the rest of this post behind spoiler tags, if admins feel it violates our politics ban I understand Who is Amos Otis. It aired on Showtime and is available for preorder on Itunes. Our longtime friend Josh plays Amos Otis in the film, which is adapted form a stage play that was nominated for a Pulitzer. a Cinci area write up about it... hereWe're very proud of him, as he has been pursuing a career in theatre since his teens (he's worked with a Cincinnati based Shakespeare company for a number of years as well as doing other stage productions. He's done a couple of indy films and one Hallmark movie previously. -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 14:21:03 GMT -5
Oscar nominations this morning. Dune was nominated for Best Picture, Best Cinematography, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Original Score and a few others. Nothing for best director or any of the acting Oscars. It's the only film nominated for any of the major Academy Awards I have seen.
-M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 8, 2022 15:48:36 GMT -5
Oscar nominations this morning. Dune was nominated for Best Picture, Best Cinematography, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Original Score and a few others. Nothing for best director or any of the acting Oscars. It's the only film nominated for any of the major Academy Awards I have seen. -M I saw Nightmare Alley and thought it was pretty decent. I tried to watch The Power of the Dog after hearing raves and ended up agreeing with my wife to shut it off about 1/3 of the way in. Such a boring movie. Like watching grass grow.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2022 17:47:54 GMT -5
Oscar nominations this morning. Dune was nominated for Best Picture, Best Cinematography, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Original Score and a few others. Nothing for best director or any of the acting Oscars. It's the only film nominated for any of the major Academy Awards I have seen. -M I saw Nightmare Alley and thought it was pretty decent. I tried to watch The Power of the Dog after hearing raves and ended up agreeing with my wife to shut it off about 1/3 of the way in. Such a boring movie. Like watching grass grow. Can't comment on the new Nightmare Alley (though I don't how it could hold a candle to the 1947 version), but I applaud your appetite for vapidity for getting twice as far into Power of the Dog as I did. Insert your Snoopy going "BLEEAHH!"
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 9, 2022 16:06:18 GMT -5
Why does the latest Batman look like a punk rocker with a Batman mask?
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