shaxper
CCF Site Custodian
Posts: 22,872
Member is Online
|
Post by shaxper on Apr 26, 2016 14:02:43 GMT -5
I think Wolverine was always violent, even from his first Len Wein-scripted appearance in Hulk. What changed was rather the company's attitude towards him: originally he was an aberration and viewed negatively, but eventually he became the norm and something to be admired. Though he is said to have a temper in Hulk 180, the character we meet in 181 is constantly serving up bad Spider-Man style jokes and doesn't seem to get particularly upset when he is being thrashed.
|
|
|
Post by spoon on Apr 26, 2016 23:00:06 GMT -5
I think Reptisaurus's recollection is correct (aside from the extra details that shaxper added). Yes, Byrne was the guy early on who fought to keep Wolverine in the series. But it's not that Byrne wanted him nicer. Rather, Claremont though Wolverine was uninteresting until he developed more nuance. Byrne is the more black-and-white guy and Claremont is the shades of gray guy. Byrne is more likely to think see less nuance in violence. I'm 99.9% sure that the idea about disemboweling Kitty at the breakfast table was Byrne's idea. It's important to note that it was a joke rather than something he ever intended to put in the series. But Byrne's point is that if Wolverine really has that violent pathology, killing an innocent teammate before he's realizes what he's done is something that could actually happen. Claremont is the guy who sees complexity in violence, but he often takes it to idiotic lengths. Claremont has said he likes heroes who kill, and he tries to excuse it with a cloak of nobility. Claremont wrote Uncanny #219 where Storm suggests the X-Men kill Havok simply because he stumbled upon the X-Men's plan to fake their deaths. In a sane world, that would result in the rest of the X-Men voting unanimously to ban Storm from the team for life for being a psychopath. But for Claremont it's "sophisticated" to consider the tough choice of killing an innocent person on some flimsy pretext. And let's not forget Wolverine and Rachel circa #208-209. So: Byrne = killing innocent people is a crazy impulse Claremont = it's deep and mature to pretend killing innocent people could be sort of moral The turning Wolverine bad thing was supposed to happen in the 200s, I think culminating around #300 (if Claremont had stayed with title). It was premised on the notion that Wolverine is bad. He was going to be presumed dead, and then brainwashed or possessed by the Hand or the Shadow King or someone. So it was really part of Claremont's pattern to build more stories around one of his favorites. Off-topic, but I thought it was Psylocke (who was on the team for ... what.. 2 days at this point?) who suggested killing Havok, Storm did consider her suggestion though for a minute, but decided against it. Pulled #219 out of the longbox. Yup, you're right. Psylocke suggested killing Havok. Storm considered it and declined. I guess my dislike of Storm as portrayed in the latter part of Claremont's run has clouded my recollection. But if we bring it full circle, this is no longer off-topic. Psylocke describes killing Havok as Wolverine's idea, so it's another violent Wolverine moment.
|
|