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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 1, 2016 13:31:10 GMT -5
Btw, there was an earlier Marvel Panther, an antagonist in Two-Gun Kid #77, Sept 1965. I don't have this actual issue so I can't check the credits box, but online sites credit Stan or Al Hartley (who was on staff as a sort of production assistant for Stan and writing as well as illustrating for him) as the story's writer. Anyway, according to the marvelunapp: "Garbed in his cat-like outfit, the outlaw known as the Panther spread terror throughout the west, robbing trains, banks, stages and cattle. Soon people began to notice that the medicine man Professor Elixir [his civilian identity, a middle-aged looking white guy] visited the same locations that the Panther would strike." www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/panthert.htmWhen Marvel reprinted the story in 1974 the character's costume was of course recolored.   So that's why the Florida Panthers wear a red jersey!!! I always wondered.  |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 1, 2016 15:12:28 GMT -5
So why would they have seen the need to redraw Two Guns figure on the cover, but not the others?
Cool thread by the way, Jungle Action was ahead of its time for sure, and Ive loved the Panther ever since the few issues I could scavenge as a kid.
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Post by Farrar on May 2, 2016 10:39:41 GMT -5
So why would they have seen the need to redraw Two Guns figure on the cover, but not the others? ... Could be that part of the orignal stat was damaged. More likely, though, in 1974 Marvel editorial wanted a more proportionate, less exaggerated/awkward pose for TGK, so they had him redrawn. According to online sources, Marie Severin did the alterations to the original cover by Dick Ayers. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 3, 2016 13:18:03 GMT -5
- (I'm trying to find the African equivalent of "African American." ALSO I am failing miserably at finding the African equivalent of African American.)
That's because there isn't one. You lot are the only ones on the planet who have this bizarre habit of prefacing your nationality with where your ancestors came from. Nobody else does it, or understands why you do it. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 3, 2016 18:27:18 GMT -5
Well the obvious is because we cant say "black" anymore. Or is it okay ? Still racist ?
African-American Panther (well to be fair African Panther) anyone ?
All aboard the PCExpress...
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 3, 2016 18:29:07 GMT -5
So why would they have seen the need to redraw Two Guns figure on the cover, but not the others? ... Could be that part of the orignal stat was damaged. More likely, though, in 1974 Marvel editorial wanted a more proportionate, less exaggerated/awkward pose for TGK, so they had him redrawn. According to online sources, Marie Severin did the alterations to the original cover by Dick Ayers. Thanks mate, I figured something like that as the pose is bad, though really, both are. |
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Post by berkley on May 3, 2016 19:15:31 GMT -5
US society has become so obsessed with the black/white question that it almost seems demented to me sometimes. The Black Panther was one of my favourite superheroes when I was a kid, partly because he was one of the few international characters. As such, in my view the character has nothing to do with that problem, except in the most peripheral of ways. But I get the feeling that the movie will be infiltrated by this American obsession. I suspect that the comics have been already - only "suspect" because I haven't read anything in detail since the 70s. What I've seen of the Priest run, for example, seems completely wrong-headed to me.
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Post by tingramretro on May 4, 2016 7:23:49 GMT -5
Well the obvious is because we cant say "black" anymore. Or is it okay ? Still racist ? African-American Panther (well to be fair African Panther) anyone ? All aboard the PCExpress... Really? In Britain, black people are just called black. If anyone feels the need to even bring it up, that is. "Coloured" is now considered racist, but "black" is not. Though curiously, about thirty years ago it was basically the other way around... I personally would consider it rather more offensive to refer to someone as African-American when, like T'Challa, they're clearly not American. The obvious term for him is "Wakandan", because that's his actual nationality. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 4, 2016 8:26:59 GMT -5
Well the obvious is because we cant say "black" anymore. Or is it okay ? Still racist ? African-American Panther (well to be fair African Panther) anyone ? All aboard the PCExpress... Really? In Britain, black people are just called black. If anyone feels the need to even bring it up, that is. "Coloured" is now considered racist, but "black" is not. Though curiously, about thirty years ago it was basically the other way around... I personally would consider it rather more offensive to refer to someone as African-American when, like T'Challa, they're clearly not American. The obvious term for him is "Wakandan", because that's his actual nationality. The old X-Man Talisman would probably also be called "African-American" in the streets of New York, even if he's neither. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:52:52 GMT -5
Really? In Britain, black people are just called black. If anyone feels the need to even bring it up, that is. "Coloured" is now considered racist, but "black" is not. Though curiously, about thirty years ago it was basically the other way around... Well, that's not universally true. In a lot of official docs and in public bodies (eg Police / NHS), there are varieties of ethnicity like Afro-Carribean, Black British, Black Other; and Afro-Carribean is commonly used verbally. For example, see www.dorset.police.uk/pdf/self_defined_ethnicity_codes.pdf. The 1991 national census used an exhaustive selection list of "White", "Black-Caribbean", "Black-African", "Black-Other (please describe)", "Indian", "Pakistani", "Bangladeshi", "Chinese" and "Any other ethnic group (please describe)" - by now, the ethnic hair-splitting extends to about 30-40 categories - see towards the end of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_ethnicity_in_the_United_Kingdom, for example. I do agree though that most Brits will refer to others, or will self-refer, as "black", and there's not any edge to the term, it's just a (somewhat inaccurate shorthand) description of skin colour. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 8:58:46 GMT -5
Going back to the subject of the comics' content, but slightly at a tangent - one of the things I could never reconcile about the Wakandan stories was the contradiction between some of them showing this techno-jungle look (as in the FF story Repti reviewed) and others (eg most of Jungle Action), where the country appears to be normal jungle or scrubland. Maybe I've missed it (or forgotten), but there never seemed to be a logical connection between the two
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 4, 2016 16:57:35 GMT -5
Fantastic Four # 52. ... Luckily, the Human Torch's American Indian friend Wyatt Wingfoot (who just happened to come along) frees them and all five of 'em gang up on poor BP. Who - being no fool - decides the hunt is o-ver. He then takes off his mask, and HOLY FRIGGIN’ CRAP IT’S A BLACK GUY!  I find it interesting that the readers/audience know from the start that BP's a black guy...though, as Reptisaurus notes, the FF don't. It's like the Fantastic Four meet Judgment Day. Ah crap. You're totally right. I really thought they didn't show that the Panther was black until the last three panels, but that is not true. I didn't see any continuity between this page...  And the next... I thought that the guy above was calling the guy below, and that they were in different locations...  But the first page refers to the Panther as "chieftain" and they're both wearing pink, which should be a dead give-a-way. So, anyway, forget what I said in most of the above. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 4, 2016 17:18:26 GMT -5
Really? In Britain, black people are just called black. If anyone feels the need to even bring it up, that is. "Coloured" is now considered racist, but "black" is not. Though curiously, about thirty years ago it was basically the other way around... Well, that's not universally true. In a lot of official docs and in public bodies (eg Police / NHS), there are varieties of ethnicity like Afro-Carribean, Black British, Black Other; and Afro-Carribean is commonly used verbally. For example, see www.dorset.police.uk/pdf/self_defined_ethnicity_codes.pdf. The 1991 national census used an exhaustive selection list of "White", "Black-Caribbean", "Black-African", "Black-Other (please describe)", "Indian", "Pakistani", "Bangladeshi", "Chinese" and "Any other ethnic group (please describe)" - by now, the ethnic hair-splitting extends to about 30-40 categories - see towards the end of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_ethnicity_in_the_United_Kingdom, for example. I do agree though that most Brits will refer to others, or will self-refer, as "black", and there's not any edge to the term, it's just a (somewhat inaccurate shorthand) description of skin colour. Im pretty sure that here most of the governmental agencies have European/Caucasian, Maori, Pacific Island: Fijian, PI: Samoan, PI: Tongan etc as ways of classifying yourself, along with variations of Asian ethnicity or combinations of any of the above. Of course being "white" Ive never had issues about how society feels the need to classify me, or which box to put me into, though my partner (being of Rarotongan heritage) points things out at times.
I do get confused/concerned at the amount of Maori/islanders who refer to themselves as "black" though, many being as light as I am, or Brown at the most. Its probably due to the prevalence of American entertainment, but it bugs me that they choose to do so. It feels like they would rather cling to another culture rather than fully embrace their own.
As an aside in our last few censuses there have been thousands choose Jedi as religion...we geeks are slowly taking over...heh heh
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Post by dupersuper on May 4, 2016 20:57:10 GMT -5
Really? In Britain, black people are just called black. If anyone feels the need to even bring it up, that is. "Coloured" is now considered racist, but "black" is not. Though curiously, about thirty years ago it was basically the other way around... I personally would consider it rather more offensive to refer to someone as African-American when, like T'Challa, they're clearly not American. The obvious term for him is "Wakandan", because that's his actual nationality. The old X-Man Talisman would probably also be called "African-American" in the streets of New York, even if he's neither. Talisman was an X-man? I know he was an Avenger... |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 5, 2016 4:54:47 GMT -5
The old X-Man Talisman would probably also be called "African-American" in the streets of New York, even if he's neither. Talisman was an X-man? I know he was an Avenger... Argh! Gateway! Not Talisman, Gateway! I really need a new brain. |
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