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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 15:00:54 GMT -5
I did a print sub when this book was announced and thoroughly enjoyed the first issue...this gives you a glimpse of what the book is going to be about if you haven't checked it out yet... There aren't many modern books that I read and think, this is one I want to have around for future rereadings (and for Marvel that is my deciding factor whether to buy a book or just read it on Unlimited, for DC it's if I buy a book or wait to see if the library gets it). Coates involvement made me think this was one to get and keep, and #1 did not disappoint. It wasn't a perfect comic, there are obviously going to be some growing pains as Coates gets experience writing in the medium, but it was still pretty damn good comics. youtube-M |
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Post by berkley on May 4, 2016 15:23:05 GMT -5
I might give this a try when the first collection appears but I'm a little wary since I'm not a fan of the modern version of the character, based on what I've seen online in previews, etc. And I think most American writers have a hard time seeing and thinking anything other than African-American when they look at Africa, and that's not what the Panther represents to me.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 4, 2016 15:25:48 GMT -5
It looks good!
Is it true that the Black Panther title is earned and not inherited?
Or is it inherited but one must still prove oneself worthy of it?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 15:40:01 GMT -5
From what I gather a Prince has the right to take the test to prove himself worthy of the mantle of Panther, but there is no guarantee he will pass the test, and one does not have to be a prince to take the test either. In the Priest run, Killmonger took the mantle of Panther (i.e. protector of Wakanda) from T'Challha as part of the long coup plot but T'Challha eventually won it back. SO I think you can inherit the opportunity to ptrove oneself, but it is not the only way to be eligible.
I did not read all the Wakandan developments spilling out of Avengers vs. X-Men and Infinity, all the Shuri as Panther stories, the Namor vs. T'Challha stuff, but issue 1 of the new series gave enough of an overview of the effects of all that that you could slide into the story and follow along (not a blow by blow recap of events, just how they had affected Wakanda to create the turmoil that is the context of the current story).
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 4, 2016 17:43:32 GMT -5
I did a print sub when this book was announced and thoroughly enjoyed the first issue...this gives you a glimpse of what the book is going to be about if you haven't checked it out yet... There aren't many modern books that I read and think, this is one I want to have around for future rereadings (and for Marvel that is my deciding factor whether to buy a book or just read it on Unlimited, for DC it's if I buy a book or wait to see if the library gets it). Coates involvement made me think this was one to get and keep, and #1 did not disappoint. It wasn't a perfect comic, there are obviously going to be some growing pains as Coates gets experience writing in the medium, but it was still pretty damn good comics. youtube-M Aaaaand it's sold out. Didn't last the whole day at my shop. Also I don't know who Coates is. But I'm reading a bunch of Black Panther stuff now, so I thought I'd check out the first issue. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 22:54:11 GMT -5
Also I don't know who Coates is. But I'm reading a bunch of Black Panther stuff now, so I thought I'd check out the first issue. Ta-Nehisi Coates is an African-American writer and journalist, the national correspondent for the Atlantic, winner of several awards including a MacArthur Fellowship (a.k.a. the Genius Awards), the National Book Award for Non-Fiction, , the NAACP Image Award, etc. his current book, Between the World and Me is an open letter to his son about growing up black in America and is New York Times bestseller, his father was a Black Panther (no not he protector of Wakanda, but a member of the radical black power group). He is a life long comics fan, particularly Marvel Comics, and is one of the most outspoken commentators (and at times controversial) on matters of culture, race, and other matters in America. In many ways, he is a huge "get" for Marvel to bring mainstream attention to their comics not just their movies. -M |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 4, 2016 23:13:30 GMT -5
Also I don't know who Coates is. But I'm reading a bunch of Black Panther stuff now, so I thought I'd check out the first issue. Ta-Nehisi Coates is an Africa-American writer and journalist, the national correspondent for the Atlantic, winner of several awards including a MacArthur Fellowship (a.k.a. the Genius Awards), the National Book Award for Non-Fiction, , the NAACP Image Award, etc. his current book, Between the World and Me is an open letter to his son about growing up black in America and is New York Times bestseller, his father was a Black Panther (no not he protector of Wakanda, but a member of the radical black power group). He is a life long comics fan, particularly Marvel Comics, and is one of the most outspoken commentators (and at times controversial) on matters of culture, race, and other matters in America. In many ways, he is a huge "get" for Marvel to bring mainstream attention to their comics not just their movies. -M Oh, okay. I've actually read (and liked!) his stuff at the Atlantic (doing research in a couple different contexts, including comics) but I never noticed the name 'till now. As an exclusively non-fiction guy I'm always interested in seeing how primarily non-fiction guys approach fiction. Although he seems to really quite like Jonathan Hickman's Marvel work. That does not bode well, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... if there's ever a second print of # 1. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 9:18:15 GMT -5
I read #1 (knowing nothing whatsoever of Coates background) and it was kind of interesting in parts, but felt pretty incoherent and I wasn't wildly impressed. I'll stay around for at least a couple more issues, to see how it develops
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 5, 2016 19:13:20 GMT -5
I thought it was okay, if a little slow.
I believe that there are a couple of inherent problems with Panther having a successful book though (assuming the public will buy a non-white hero book).
Firstly I believe the whole "king" deal hamstrings him in multiple ways. Would you appreciate a head of state running around in his pyjamas more than he runs your nation? Would you want to finance said hobby? It would seem to me to work better if T'Challa, as Panther, abdicated and dedicated himself to his panther god.
Secondly the use of this uber-tech that he and so many others have these days. Where's the challenge (as a reader) in a hero who pulls a tech rabbit out of thin air every issue. Have Panther go back to slinking around and going Bruce Lee upside someone's head. Look at how amazing he was in Jungle Action, not an unbeatable god at all, though I'm loathe to see him tortured as he was back then.
Love the character and want this to succeed so I hope they strike a good balance, he's probably THE character in comics who is perfect to address racial issues around the world, though that aspect can get monotonous real quick if they're not careful.
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Post by dupersuper on May 5, 2016 20:41:38 GMT -5
I'll be getting this in trade.
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Post by spoon on May 5, 2016 23:03:19 GMT -5
I read #1 (knowing nothing whatsoever of Coates background) and it was kind of interesting in parts, but felt pretty incoherent and I wasn't wildly impressed. I'll stay around for at least a couple more issues, to see how it develops I agree with your assessment of #1. I found it incoherent and just so-so. Frankly, if the issue was published with some random name as the writer, I don't think it would be considered a big deal. I've followed Coates on Twitter for a while and read some of his stuff on the Atlantic website. He's the main reason that I bought #1 and that I'll give the series a few issues to improve. I'm curious to see what he'll bring to comics as a fan with a background in non-fiction/political writing. I hope this doesn't turn out like the Edmondson/Noto Black Widow series. I stuck with that series for too long because of Phil Noto's art, hoping that Nathan Edmondson's awful writing would finally turn around. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 23:15:56 GMT -5
I read #1 (knowing nothing whatsoever of Coates background) and it was kind of interesting in parts, but felt pretty incoherent and I wasn't wildly impressed. I'll stay around for at least a couple more issues, to see how it develops I agree with your assessment of #1. I found it incoherent and just so-so. Frankly, if the issue was published with some random name as the writer, I don't think it would be considered a big deal. I've followed Coates on Twitter for a while and read some of his stuff on the Atlantic website. He's the main reason that I bought #1 and that I'll give the series a few issues to improve. I'm curious to see what he'll bring to comics as a fan with a background in non-fiction/political writing. I hope this doesn't turn out like the Edmondson/Noto Black Widow series. I stuck with that series for too long because of Phil Noto's art, hoping that Nathan Edmondson's awful writing would finally turn around. See I really liked that Black Widow series. Noto's art was the draw, but I never disliked an issue I read. Of course I read them all as part of Marvel Unlimited so wasn't paying for each issue either. -M |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 19:41:14 GMT -5
Sadly it looks like issue #1 is selling for $10-$20 already on places like mycomicshop and ebay.
Issue 2 arrived in my mailbox today. Lookingm forward to reading it later tonight.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 12, 2016 9:11:46 GMT -5
And I think that it deserves it, it's a great return to form for the first true black superhero in comics and it doesn't feel like it's trying to sell you a "product" wrapped in a "disingenuous agenda" which I also appreciate when so much of the industry now seems entirely focused on that now.
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Post by String on May 12, 2016 12:34:28 GMT -5
And I think that it deserves it, it's a great return to form for the first true black superhero in comics and it doesn't feel like it's trying to sell you a "product" wrapped in a "disingenuous agenda" which I also appreciate when so much of the industry now seems entirely focused on that now. If Hickman hadn't been using BP previously during his extended Avengers run these last few years, I might disagree with you on the 'agenda' issue. Given his intro in Civil War movie, his upcoming solo movie, one could argue that Marvel is pushing T'Challa squarely back into the limelight to capitalize on the movies' spotlight. Yet like you said, it doesn't quite feel like that. Coates is a big nab and perhaps draw for the title and character. However, I don't care what your previous writing experience may be, it takes time and repetition to understand the requirements and nuances of writing for a comic. I thought #1 was decent so while Coates may be going through growing pains as a comic writer, I'm willing for the moment to see where he takes the title. Bought #2, soon to read. |
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