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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 11, 2016 3:12:03 GMT -5
What about the Howardian propety films-all started outside of comics per se (.e. in the pulps), but feature characters that are as much a super-hero as say Jonah Hex, who is on the list and all featured prominently in comics at one point, so... Conan the Barbarian Conan the Destroyer Conan the Barbarian remake Solomon Kane (limited theatrical release but intended for theatre feature) Kull the Conqueror... and then there is the Red Sonja movie which should count regardless as she started in comics (even if loosely based on a different Howard character), and he exploits are as super-heroic as many of the characters featured on the list. There's also the 1970s Doc Savage movie and didn't Darkman have a pair of sequels (or were those direct to video)? -M As I said : "Let's not count direct to video, early serials or TV, just the stuff that was meant for the big screen, either originated from comic books or featured actual superheroes, with real powers or vigilanting. I also skiped Zorro movies, Bollywood and most south asian films that didn't really make any impact outside the western world." I understand your thinking, but I thought it'd be more clear to stick to actual superheroes or heroes that originated from comic books and featured special talents. Conan and co are just adventurers and warriors and percieved as such (Otherwise we might as well count Die Hard, Predator, etc). But in that regard, I admit that The Shadow and The Green Hornet are on the fence. What do you guys think? Both Darkman sequels indeed were DTV  |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 11, 2016 3:14:48 GMT -5
Are we counting this?   I haven't seen it, so, is it a Santo wrestling movie with a villain named Sergeant America or does Sergeant America actully display special powers in it? What do you guys think? |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 11, 2016 3:22:37 GMT -5
Superman and the Mole Men was a full length Made for TV so it's would not count. Sorry Shax! No you're wrong. Superman and the Mole Men hit the theaters in 1951. A year later it was split into 2 parts for the TV show. It certainly counts. Ah, I thought this probably was a recut serial as I saw its 58 mn length. Glad to learn better about it But, I read on IMDB : "The film was originally created by National Publishing (now DC Comics) as a "calling card" in their bid to bring Superman to television for the first time. Its theatrical release was originally planned only as a last resort to recoup the production budget if the networks passed on the project." Which indicates this wasn't produced with the big screen in mind, right? So on this Mecha was actually quite right. and Feature films are either over 60mn over here in France or Sweden, any less is considered a short film. Isn't it the same in the US? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 6:15:14 GMT -5
Superman and the Mole Men? Sorry Shax, but Ish corrected me. You were right and I was surprised it was a movie after all that was on the theaters before it's hit television as a two part show altogether. Here's Ish comments below and his post on the previous page in entirely ... Ish is right on the nose and I did not see that and he should get credit for correcting me. Superman and the Mole Men was a full length Made for TV so it's would not count. Sorry Shax! No you're wrong. Superman and the Mole Men hit the theaters in 1951. A year later it was split into 2 parts for the TV show. It certainly counts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 13:14:57 GMT -5
What about the Howardian propety films-all started outside of comics per se (.e. in the pulps), but feature characters that are as much a super-hero as say Jonah Hex, who is on the list and all featured prominently in comics at one point, so... Conan the Barbarian Conan the Destroyer Conan the Barbarian remake Solomon Kane (limited theatrical release but intended for theatre feature) Kull the Conqueror... and then there is the Red Sonja movie which should count regardless as she started in comics (even if loosely based on a different Howard character), and he exploits are as super-heroic as many of the characters featured on the list. There's also the 1970s Doc Savage movie and didn't Darkman have a pair of sequels (or were those direct to video)? -M As I said : "Let's not count direct to video, early serials or TV, just the stuff that was meant for the big screen, either originated from comic books or featured actual superheroes, with real powers or vigilanting. I also skiped Zorro movies, Bollywood and most south asian films that didn't really make any impact outside the western world." I understand your thinking, but I thought it'd be more clear to stick to actual superheroes or heroes that originated from comic books and featured special talents. Conan and co are just adventurers and warriors and percieved as such (Otherwise we might as well count Die Hard, Predator, etc). But in that regard, I admit that The Shadow and The Green Hornet are on the fence. What do you guys think? Both Darkman sequels indeed were DTV Jonah Hex is just a gunfighter bounty hunter then, not a super-hero. If he counts, at least Red Sonja should as she originated in comics and is as much a "super-hero" as Hex is. -M |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 11, 2016 14:03:15 GMT -5
Jonah Hex is just a gunfighter bounty hunter then, not a super-hero. If he counts, at least Red Sonja should as she originated in comics and is as much a "super-hero" as Hex is. -M There's a couple of huge differences : Jonah Hex originated from comic books, AND, he was involved in the affairs of the DC superhero world as well. But If Red Sonia originated from comics and not from books or movies, then you are most correct. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 11, 2016 14:11:00 GMT -5
Superman and the Mole Men? Sorry Shax, but Ish corrected me. You were right and I was surprised it was a movie after all that was on the theaters before it's hit television as a two part show altogether. Here's Ish comments below and his post on the previous page in entirely ... Ish is right on the nose and I did not see that and he should get credit for correcting me. No you're wrong. Superman and the Mole Men hit the theaters in 1951. A year later it was split into 2 parts for the TV show. It certainly counts. Didn't you read my comment right above yours? Ish was wrong : it was shot for television and only packaged as a movie to cash on its original purpose which was to have some sort of demo-real to convince TV executives to pick the show. Which makes me wonder : should I add Holywoodland, the true noir story behind the death of Geroge Reeve? I don't think so, but maybe I'm omitting something. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 14:17:24 GMT -5
Jonah Hex is just a gunfighter bounty hunter then, not a super-hero. If he counts, at least Red Sonja should as she originated in comics and is as much a "super-hero" as Hex is. -M There's a couple of huge differences : Jonah Hex originated from comic books, AND, he was involved in the affairs of the DC superhero world as well. But If Red Sonia originated from comics and not from books or movies, then you are most correct. Her first appearance anywhere as Red Sonja was in Conan #23, she was a mash up of a couple of Howard female characters but had not existed as Red Sonja before that, and interacted with the Marvel Universe at least once in the Bronze Age (teaming up with Spider-Man in Marvel Team Up) and Kulan Gath, a villain from her and Conan's mythos went on to menace both the X-Men and the Avengers, so I would say if Hex counts she does, and if she doesn't count, Hex shouldn't. -M |
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Post by dupersuper on May 11, 2016 19:22:33 GMT -5
Condor Man Puma Man Captain Amazing Orgazmo Doctor Strange TV movie Nick Fury TV movie Captain America TV movies Hulk TV movies
Condorman was already listed. Good call on Puma man and Orgazmo, completly forgot about those. What is Captain Amazing? Can't find anything about it... About those four TV movies, I said I would only count movies made and intended for the big screen. I almost included Doctor Mordrid which originaly was supposed to be an official Doctor Strange movie (and a very cool one might I add) untli the producers lost the rights. It ended up being a TV movie, so I have no way of knowing if the producers knew during production this was going to be a video only or not, hence its absence in the list, if not also because its final production values indicate it probably was intended for home viewing. Sorry: I only saw a bit of it as a kid. The characters name was Captain Avenger, not Captain Amazing, and the movie was Hero at Large.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0080863/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_97
There's also Superfuzz and Supercop...
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 12, 2016 2:48:30 GMT -5
Condorman was already listed. Good call on Puma man and Orgazmo, completly forgot about those. What is Captain Amazing? Can't find anything about it... About those four TV movies, I said I would only count movies made and intended for the big screen. I almost included Doctor Mordrid which originaly was supposed to be an official Doctor Strange movie (and a very cool one might I add) untli the producers lost the rights. It ended up being a TV movie, so I have no way of knowing if the producers knew during production this was going to be a video only or not, hence its absence in the list, if not also because its final production values indicate it probably was intended for home viewing. Sorry: I only saw a bit of it as a kid. The characters name was Captain Avenger, not Captain Amazing, and the movie was Hero at Large.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0080863/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_97
There's also Superfuzz and Supercop...
Hero At Large was also already listed, and it's quite fun IIRC Superfuzz!!! Ma that brings back som memories! Terrance Hil was huge in France in the 80ies! But I must confess I had forgotten about this one, good call Now Supercop, is that the Jackie Chan movie? If so, I don't remember him having any powers in it, or did he? |
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Post by dupersuper on May 13, 2016 1:14:56 GMT -5
I remembered him having powers, but I have only seen the movie once when it came out in Canada. I was 15 or 16. I may be misremembering.
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