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Post by Batflunkie on May 18, 2016 10:23:17 GMT -5
**The thread so nice, I renamed it twice!**
This is intended to be something of a companion piece to "What Classic Comics Have You Read Lately?" that's far more broad in allowing the participants to wax philosphical about certain aspects from classic comics and the real world events that inspired them
What sparked this idea was a rewatching of Stanley Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" and the "Born To Kill" dualaity of man piece sign, and the similarities it bore to the Comedian's bloody smilely face button from Watchman. While the two were released only a handful of years apart, that doesn't necessarily mean that one inspired the other
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 18, 2016 10:54:42 GMT -5
I've always found it interesting how most scientists in the Golden Age were painted as being evil or deranged. By the time of the Silver Age, many of the heroes were scientists and it was seen as perhaps the most honorable vocation a person in the modern world could aspire to.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 18, 2016 11:30:51 GMT -5
I've always found it interesting how most scientists in the Golden Age were painted as being evil or deranged. By the time of the Silver Age, many of the heroes were scientists and it was seen as perhaps the most honorable vocation a person in the modern world could aspire to. Yes, compare Dr. Shivana from Captain Marvel/Shazam to Barry Allen or Doctor Solar and there's quite the contrast
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 18, 2016 11:57:14 GMT -5
I've always found it interesting how most scientists in the Golden Age were painted as being evil or deranged. By the time of the Silver Age, many of the heroes were scientists and it was seen as perhaps the most honorable vocation a person in the modern world could aspire to. Yes, compare Dr. Shivana from Captain Marvel/Shazam to Barry Allen or Doctor Solar and there's quite the contrast I'm reading H.P. Lovecraft's complete works and I've been thinking about this lately. On one hand, he was a lover of science, reason and was a tried and true materialist. Yet he also had a deep fear of the unknown and feared that too much scientific knowledge would lead us to things we're better off not knowing. I think Lovecraft's works was a microcosm of the anxiety felt by most people in the 19th Century and early 20th Century when it comes to science in general.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 18, 2016 12:40:20 GMT -5
I've always found it interesting how most scientists in the Golden Age were painted as being evil or deranged. By the time of the Silver Age, many of the heroes were scientists and it was seen as perhaps the most honorable vocation a person in the modern world could aspire to. At the time the Golden Age books were first coming out there was still a lot of "science meddling where man shouldn't go". America was also still viewed in an agrarian sense where there was a lot to be suspect in the big city (I fully recognize that the vast majority of comic writers and artists of the time were from New York City). The bad scientist trope began to change in SF with what is now termed the Golden Age of Science Fiction as Campbell and Gold started running more stories about the benevolence and hope of science in conquering the stars. By the time of the Silver Age we were in the space race with the Soviets, science was conquering polio and smallpox, science was a national priority and scientists were becoming media stars.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 18, 2016 13:07:36 GMT -5
I completely agree with the idea of "scientists meddling in things beyond the comprehension of man" because scientists are still intent on resurrecting dinosaurs even after Jurrassic Park clearly showed why they shouldn't. Scientific progress, while naive in it's intent, is always twisted and used for the wrong purposes that benefit no one
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Post by dupersuper on May 18, 2016 21:58:25 GMT -5
I completely agree with the idea of "scientists meddling in things beyond the comprehension of man" because scientists are still intent on resurrecting dinosaurs even after Jurrassic Park clearly showed why they shouldn't. That's hardly "beyond the comprehension of man". They made dinosaurs, dinosaurs ate them. Easily comprehended.
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Post by dupersuper on May 18, 2016 21:59:22 GMT -5
Scientific progress, while naive in it's intent, is always twisted and used for the wrong purposes that benefit no one He types into his computer, while not dying of polio...
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 19, 2016 15:54:05 GMT -5
This is a continuation of a discussion that seemed off topic from the "what comic have you read recently". No need to apologize at all Hoosier. If anything I wasn't clear that my conclusions about politics are not based on in depth analyzing of both parties and their members. Books, I don't mind, and have several (though Norman Mailer only seems to come to mind though he was an activist not a politician) books by politicians that I have read, when the subject they are writing about is interesting to me. (I will check when I get home, because I now more mad at my memory that necessarily trying to prove a point to you. I enjoy it from an academic or historical angle than actually being involved in the political scene. Which is why I may not chime in on political discussions here often, but I am always reading what people share. I just don't feel particularly invested in participating. I guess that's just apathy though. And no worries about offending me. Thanks for the comforting words! Some people take these things very personally. Still, I'm very curious about how you feel about social issues. Do you think that same-sex marriage and the treatment of transgender people as human beings aren't important enough to make anybody change their minds about the two main parties? Or do you think that party affiliation doesn't have much effect on how social issues play out in the long run? First off Hoosier I want to draw your attention to the bolded part of my above comment. It is what I get for not proof reading my post. :-) I am not that well versed in politics. To answer your questions; it's mostly the latter. I usually don't see Candidate A necessarily making any long lasting change than Candidate B. Sure both A and B have their pros and cons. And people weight out how they feel those pros and cons will make a better candidate for the benefit of themselves and/or others too. But even in the case of homosexual marriage, it's now been the law for, what, over a year? But are the homosexual people, outside of the legal document themselves and the benefits of that, being treated better or differently because it's legal? I see news articles posted in other forums I visit of their continued mistreatment. States trying to enact their own laws to try and circumvent this so that they can continue to discriminate against homosexual people. It's really more a lack of faith in our species. The very fact that we had to take the time we did, and fight for the law to be passed, is proof for me that it's not president A or president B, or congress or the house, it's us as a species, and/or us as a country (since I have never been outside of the US, I don't want to speak for other citizens of other countries) that is holding ourselves back from any kind of equality and dignity in how we treat people around us. Laws may deter some from acting on their prejudices or inclinations, but it doesn't stop them all. I think that it is important that all people are allowed to live a full, peaceful and happy life. But I don't have faith in my lifetime, or even a very distant future that it will happen. So it's not necessarily blaming president A or B for it. But blaming us as a species that we need laws with harsh consequences to get us to treat people humanly and fairly. Though I realize that my stance may come off to people as negative; ie if you're not helping, you're no help at all. And it helps I come from a demographic that doesn't have much to fear in the way of discrimination. But I feel more helpful in my day to day life of treating people fairly and no matter what race, skin color, gender, or sexual preference they are. I just treat them as humans equally. I know it's very defeatist, but maybe my outlook on life will change at some point. But at the moment, I let my wife's voice speak for the family in the political scene. Oh and if you are curious ... that quiz that was posted in the community forum political thread, where you would answer questions to see which party you leaned towards; most of my opinions on policy were conservative and liberal on social issues.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2016 16:23:25 GMT -5
We'll have to agree to disagree about the effect of party on social legislation. Those places where they are bending over backward to find ways to make life harder for transgendered people and homosexuals are overwhelmingly GOP strongholds. It's not a coincidence.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 19, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -5
Adam, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't presidents only have the power to sign or veto a bill? I've always been under the assumption that it's the congressional senate that holds all the "keys to the kingdom" as it were
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Post by MDG on May 20, 2016 7:23:37 GMT -5
Here's a question that always bugged me: Why does it seem that--in the U.S., anyway--comics is the only medium where the highest measure of success seems to be that the work gets adapted for another medium?
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Post by tingramretro on May 20, 2016 8:14:35 GMT -5
Here's a question that always bugged me: Why does it seem that--in the U.S., anyway--comics is the only medium where the highest measure of success seems to be that the work gets adapted for another medium? That's always been tbe case, pretty much all over the world, I think, and it isn't just comics. Thing is, the general public measures success (which they somehow equate with quality) with how recognizable something is to them, nothing else. Everyone watches TV and movies, but many people these days don't read, not just comics but anything. Harry Potter was a movie series, Game of Thrones is a TV show. Half the people who consider themselves fans of them are completely oblivious to the novels, best sellers though they are. The X-Men are a movie franchise; "wait, there are X-Men comics? Really? Wow, didn't know that. Guess they're based on the movies". Britain has a proud theatrical tradition stretching back centuries. Many of our most distinguished actors have spent most of their careers on stage, and seldom been out of work in several decades. But the general perception is, if they're not showing up on TV, they're probably long term unemployed. Or dead.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 20, 2016 8:22:19 GMT -5
Ting, one thing that irrated the utter hell out of me was how many people actually thought that the Karl Urban Dredd movie was a reboot/remake of the Stallone one from the 90's. I'd be okay with this state of "blissful ignorance" that permeates our society if we didn't have technology that can tell you the history of socialism in excruciating detail in a matter of a few milliseconds
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Post by tingramretro on May 20, 2016 8:34:18 GMT -5
Ting, one thing that irrated the utter hell out of me was how many people actually thought that the Karl Urban Dredd movie was a reboot/remake of the Stallone one from the 90's. I'd be okay with this state of "blissful ignorance" that permeates our society if we didn't have technology that can tell you the history of socialism in excruciating detail in a matter of a few milliseconds Trouble is, information being freely available is only useful if people are actually inclined to seek it out, rather than being happy to make inaccurate assumptions based on little or no actual knowledge.
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