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Post by chadwilliam on May 20, 2016 22:21:23 GMT -5
Batman 201 where The Penguin, Mad Hatter, Cluemaster, Joker, Catwoman, Johnny Witts, and the Getaway Genius team-up to... save Batman's life.
Superman 88 Luthor, Toyman, and The Prankster team-up against Superman and very nearly succeed in killing him. It was a nice touch having the latter two actually root for Superman when they realize that if Luthor's scheme to eradicate their foe succeeds, they'll never hear the end of it.
Superman 167 Luthor not only meets Brainiac, but discovers the secret that Brainiac would kill to protect... if Luthor hadn't planted a failsafe mechanism in Brainiac's robotic mind that would destroy him if anything happened to dear old Lex.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on May 22, 2016 5:13:56 GMT -5
Brubaker's Red Skull, Crossbones, and Sin, father , daughter, and son-in-law(lessness) so to speak. I love how he handled this triumvirate of terror.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 23, 2016 16:06:09 GMT -5
This team-up was working for a while, but then...
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Post by Prince Hal on May 23, 2016 16:18:31 GMT -5
^^ I knew you'd like seeing those pages, Slam. We both have mentioned this story more than once as a favorite.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 23, 2016 17:24:22 GMT -5
^^ I knew you'd like seeing those pages, Slam. We both have mentioned this story more than once as a favorite. Definitely my favorite inter-company team-up.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 23, 2016 19:56:59 GMT -5
One of my favorite Injustice League Teams was Headed by Queen BeeMembers Included Are: Brainiac - Enemy of Superman Clayface - Enemy of Batman Harpy - Enemy of Black Canary Merlyn - Enemy of Green Arrow Ocean Master - Enemy of Aquaman Sinestro - Enemy of Green Lantern Chronos - Enemy of The Atom Grodd - Enemy of The Flash I love Queen Bee so much! So I looked around on the Comic Book Database to find out which issue has this bunch of rogues so I can either buy it at some point or get it from the library. It's from Action Comics #443, January 1975.
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Post by berkley on May 23, 2016 20:17:18 GMT -5
Byrne's artwork still looking good in that Red Skull + Joker team-up, but trying to present the Joker as relatively less evil than someone, even in comparison to the Nazi Skull, rubs me the wrong way. I see it as part of the trend I've always disliked towards a sneaking admiration of the Joker that probably culminated in the Heath Ledger movie.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 23, 2016 20:47:56 GMT -5
Byrne's artwork still looking good in that Red Skull + Joker team-up, but trying to present the Joker as relatively less evil than someone, even in comparison to the Nazi Skull, rubs me the wrong way. I see it as part of the trend I've always disliked towards a sneaking admiration of the Joker that probably culminated in the Heath Ledger movie. It really depends on which version of The Joker you're talking about. At his worst in the Golden Age he was a murderer. But he was a far cry from The Red Skull.
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Post by berkley on May 23, 2016 22:30:25 GMT -5
Byrne's artwork still looking good in that Red Skull + Joker team-up, but trying to present the Joker as relatively less evil than someone, even in comparison to the Nazi Skull, rubs me the wrong way. I see it as part of the trend I've always disliked towards a sneaking admiration of the Joker that probably culminated in the Heath Ledger movie. It really depends on which version of The Joker you're talking about. At his worst in the Golden Age he was a murderer. But he was a far cry from The Red Skull. I should explain myself more clearly: I wouldn't argue that the Joker isn't relatively less evil than the genocidal, industrial-scale mass-murdering Red-Skull. In the real world, insofar as one can argue about the psychology of fictional characters (which probably is not very far at all, if we're being honest) I imagine someone like the Joker would be held not responsible for his crimes to some degree, due to insanity, just like in the comics. What I find distasteful is that I think this state of affairs is used to mask the unsavoury power-fantasy that's grown up around the Joker in recent years: he's cool because he's insane; or, more exactly, because his madness, unpredictability, and capacity for violence make people afraid of him - and that makes him powerful and someone to be admired - in what I think is a dishonest way, because most fans wouldn't admit this to themselves.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 23, 2016 22:32:06 GMT -5
Byrne's artwork still looking good in that Red Skull + Joker team-up, but trying to present the Joker as relatively less evil than someone, even in comparison to the Nazi Skull, rubs me the wrong way. I see it as part of the trend I've always disliked towards a sneaking admiration of the Joker that probably culminated in the Heath Ledger movie. It really depends on which version of The Joker you're talking about. At his worst in the Golden Age he was a murderer. But he was a far cry from The Red Skull. For most of the Golden Age, the Joker was an eccentric gangster. He wracked up an impressive body count in his first few appearances. But from 1942 (or thereabouts), he didn't kill anybody for a very long time. If I remember correctly, it wasn't until "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" in 1973 that he started killing people again.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 6:28:45 GMT -5
One of my favorite Injustice League Teams was Headed by Queen BeeMembers Included Are: Brainiac - Enemy of Superman Clayface - Enemy of Batman Harpy - Enemy of Black Canary Merlyn - Enemy of Green Arrow Ocean Master - Enemy of Aquaman Sinestro - Enemy of Green Lantern Chronos - Enemy of The Atom Grodd - Enemy of The Flash I love Queen Bee so much! So I looked around on the Comic Book Database to find out which issue has this bunch of rogues so I can either buy it at some point or get it from the library. It's from Action Comics #443, January 1975. That's one of my favorite issues and Cover ... I have a copy of that issue!
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Post by Confessor on May 24, 2016 6:34:34 GMT -5
What I find distasteful is that I think this state of affairs is used to mask the unsavoury power-fantasy that's grown up around the Joker in recent years: he's cool because he's insane; or, more exactly, because his madness, unpredictability, and capacity for violence make people afraid of him - and that makes him powerful and someone to be admired - in what I think is a dishonest way, because most fans wouldn't admit this to themselves. I totally agree with this and would argue that the same thing has happened, to a less widespread degree, with Rorschach from Watchmen. I remember going to see the Watchman film at the cinema with some friends and, as we were walking to the car park discussing the film we'd just seen, one of my friends (who is savvy enough to know better) said, "Rorschach is so cool!" I agreed that he was indeed a great character, but had to remind him that actually, he's a psychotic, paranoid madman and there's nothing cool about being mentally ill. Having said that, when I was in my teens and naturally less mature, I was definitely guilty of placing the Joker on the sort of "cool" pedestal that you mention. For teenage me it was exactly the "madness, unpredictability, and capacity for violence" that you speak of that attracted me to the character. I would routinly say things like, "the Joker's so cool" when discussing books like The Killing Joke, A Death in the Family or Arkham Asylum. Then I grew up a little bit (honest!). The trouble is, as you hint in your post, I think there are a lot of much older comic book fans that still weirdly admire the character's psychotic tendencies as some kind of warped power fantasy.
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