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Post by JKCarrier on May 25, 2016 23:47:04 GMT -5
If I had to pick one, I'd say writing is more important. But these days, there's so much stuff out there to choose from that I can afford to be picky, and limit myself to the books where I like both.
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Post by dupersuper on May 26, 2016 3:49:08 GMT -5
writers
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Post by hondobrode on May 28, 2016 10:27:41 GMT -5
Usually the cover art is what attracts me at first.
The interior art should at least be ok, which isn't too hard to find these days.
Initially, it's the concept that gets me to buy in or not.
Case in point : Marvel has some nice eye candy right now, but the concepts don't work for me along with the excessive crossovers, instability, and bloated line, therefore, no sale.
Historically, 90's Heavy Metal : nice art, story doesn't grab me. Pass.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 29, 2016 0:06:56 GMT -5
Do you follow artists or writers? Why don't you add a poll? |
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Post by tingramretro on May 29, 2016 0:34:18 GMT -5
A good writer can induce you to overlook poor art, but even a great artist can't disguise a bad script.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on May 29, 2016 14:46:24 GMT -5
Do you follow artists or writers? Why don't you add a poll? Be my guest. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 29, 2016 15:40:54 GMT -5
Why don't you add a poll? Be my guest. Only by editing the first post, can you do that. |
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Post by spoon on May 29, 2016 16:12:36 GMT -5
The artist attracts my attention. The writer determines if I stick around. Cei-U! I summon the formula for success1 Art is beauty. Writing is personality. |
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Post by String on May 29, 2016 16:49:46 GMT -5
Writing.
If the writer cannot get me emotionally invested in the story/concept/characters, then no amount of great art is going to sway me to continue reading it.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on May 29, 2016 17:20:38 GMT -5
Only by editing the first post, can you do that. OK. I think I have created a poll. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 19:36:26 GMT -5
Only by editing the first post, can you do that. OK. I think I have created a poll. Great ... I voted for writers! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 19:36:59 GMT -5
Writing. If the writer cannot get me emotionally invested in the story/concept/characters, then no amount of great art is going to sway me to continue reading it. Conversely for me, unless the art visually depicts the characters and story in a manner that is accessible and readable, it is impossible for a writer to get me to connect to or emotionally invest in those same characters-comics are not prose and the writer doesn't have access to the types of tools a prose writer does to connect me to characters and stories in a visual medium when the visuals do not carry their portion of the burden of characterization and narrative. I've read comic scripts sans art, and outside of a technical interest in the craft, they have no more affect on me than reading an outline or a synopsis. Comics scripts often are disconnected to the inner life and emotions of a character, those things have to be depicted visually by the graphic storyteller to be present in the story, other wise they are usually a detached observation of such phenomenon waiting to be brought to life. They are also cluttered with stage directions and stage dressing which form a barrier to immersion in the story. It is the artists that throws open those gates for the writer allowing the reader access to the story. But again, ultimately it is the synergy between the writer and artist that creates story in comics, so I can't say one is more important than another. I enjoy prose, but comics aren't prose and the writer isn't achieving storytelling without the artist when doing comics. -M |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 29, 2016 23:25:14 GMT -5
Only by editing the first post, can you do that. OK. I think I have created a poll. You did, I voted writers. [...] the writer doesn't have access to the types of tools a prose writer does to connect me to characters and stories in a visual medium when the visuals do not carry their portion of the burden of characterisation and narrative. I've read comic scripts sans art, and outside of a technical interest in the craft, they have no more affect on me than reading an outline or a synopsis. Comics scripts often are disconnected to the inner life and emotions of a character, those things have to be depicted visually by the graphic storyteller to be present in the story, other wise they are usually a detached observation of such phenomenon waiting to be brought to life. They are also cluttered with stage directions and stage dressing which form a barrier to immersion in the story. It is the artists that throws open those gates for the writer allowing the reader access to the story. The fact that they don't use them, doesn't mean they don't have access to hose tools. Usually, a writer will just avoid wasting their efforts, when assigned a bad artist, but they could do otherwise. Occasionally, you can find a comic with good writing and bad art, but it's a rare occurrence. In those cases, it will be interesting, only when the writing overweights the art. A script meant for an artist, doesn't have to resemble, what a more "developed" script for the audience, would look like. They fulfil a function, and that one isn't entertainment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 23:40:32 GMT -5
OK. I think I have created a poll. You did, I voted writers. [...] the writer doesn't have access to the types of tools a prose writer does to connect me to characters and stories in a visual medium when the visuals do not carry their portion of the burden of characterisation and narrative. I've read comic scripts sans art, and outside of a technical interest in the craft, they have no more affect on me than reading an outline or a synopsis. Comics scripts often are disconnected to the inner life and emotions of a character, those things have to be depicted visually by the graphic storyteller to be present in the story, other wise they are usually a detached observation of such phenomenon waiting to be brought to life. They are also cluttered with stage directions and stage dressing which form a barrier to immersion in the story. It is the artists that throws open those gates for the writer allowing the reader access to the story. The fact that they don't use them, doesn't mean they don't have access to hose tools. Usually, a writer will just avoid wasting their efforts, when assigned a bad artist, but they could do otherwise. Occasionally, you can find a comic with good writing and bad art, but it's a rare occurrence. In those cases, it will be interesting, only when the writing overweights the art. A script meant for an artist, doesn't have to resemble, what a more "developed" script for the audience, would look like. They fulfil a function, and that one isn't entertainment. A comic book is not prose, and therefore the words alone cannot tell the story. Because it is not prose, the writer does not have the ability to spend pages of text revealing the inner workings of his character, explaining describing their body language, their moods, probing their inner thoughts, etc. the way a prose writer can; it doesn't work in the medium of comics because it is a visual medium. There are prose stories featuring comic characters and those are a very different "reading" experience than experience their stories in comics format-in those the prose author cannot rely on visuals to tell the story-he doesn't have access to those tools and must tell the story differently because of the demands of the medium-just as a comics writer cannot access tools available to the prose medium of short stories, novellas or novels because they do not work in comics. If a writer attempted to tell the stories through words (i.e. prose) and just have pictures accompany it, it wouldn't be a comic book, it would be an illustrated prose story-an entirely different animal. The medium very much sets the parameters of what you can and cannot do in terms of writing technique and determines what tools are and are not available to you. In comics, writers are dependent on the art to tell stories-you can have wordless (i.e. silent) panels or pages and still be telling the story in comic book format, if you have a page or panel without pictures, you have transitioned to prose, not comics. -M |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 30, 2016 3:02:36 GMT -5
The fact that they don't use them, doesn't mean they don't have access to those tools. Usually, a writer will just avoid wasting their efforts, when assigned a bad artist, but they could do otherwise. Occasionally, you can find a comic with good writing and bad art, but it's a rare occurrence. In those cases, it will be interesting, only when the writing overweights the art. A script meant for an artist, doesn't have to resemble, what a more "developed" script for the audience, would look like. They fulfil a function, and that one isn't entertainment. A comic book is not prose, and therefore the words alone cannot tell the story. Because it is not prose, the writer does not have the ability to spend pages of text revealing the inner workings of his character, explaining describing their body language, their moods, probing their inner thoughts, etc. the way a prose writer can; it doesn't work in the medium of comics because it is a visual medium. There are prose stories featuring comic characters and those are a very different "reading" experience than experience their stories in comics format-in those the prose author cannot rely on visuals to tell the story-he doesn't have access to those tools and must tell the story differently because of the demands of the medium-just as a comics writer cannot access tools available to the prose medium of short stories, novellas or novels because they do not work in comics. If a writer attempted to tell the stories through words (i.e. prose) and just have pictures accompany it, it wouldn't be a comic book, it would be an illustrated prose story-an entirely different animal. The medium very much sets the parameters of what you can and cannot do in terms of writing technique and determines what tools are and are not available to you. In comics, writers are dependent on the art to tell stories-you can have wordless (i.e. silent) panels or pages and still be telling the story in comic book format, if you have a page or panel without pictures, you have transitioned to prose, not comics. -M Using and abusing, aren't the same thing. If you go to the extreme, you'll certainly end past where comics are comics, and start becoming something else, but there's no need. You can use literary tools to compensate for shortcomings in the storytelling, you can even guide it, through a detailed plot. You can also use non literary tools, like playing to the artist strengths, encourage a bigger commitment from the artist... I know this isn't how the industry works, but there's no theoretical reason why it couldn't be so. |
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