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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 14:31:46 GMT -5
well the top pic is the official design for Wally in Rebirth Titans the Lower Pic is my Custom design in DCUO altogether I like the New Costume but I'd prefer Yellow Lightning to the Bluish white Lightning we're seeing here. It's interesting that Wally's keeping the JLU/Young Justice Single Zig-Zag Bolt he had in Flash Rebirth back in 2008-09 whereas NuWally gets the standard Double Zig-zag lightning symbol that Barry's always worn. Thanks for update!
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2016 19:32:36 GMT -5
Looking forward to the next installment, String!
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 0:03:25 GMT -5
I remember reading the Barry Allen Flash back in the early to just before mid 80's but don't remember the stories. I am familiar with the Wally West from the Justice League/Justice League Unlimited animated series. Unfortunately for me, that particular character of the Flash, is my favorite. At the same time, I read the Geoff Johns Flash run from the beginning of the century, and I loved the Wally West/Flash stories he wrote all the way to the Infinite Crisis era.
Thanks for this thread String. This is the second thread I have read on Wally West/Flash and I am more interested now in reading his early run as The Flash from the mid 80's and 90's stories.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 3, 2016 7:00:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure why The Flash has never appealed to me, regardless of the incarnation. I grew up during the height of the 1980s TV series, and yet I still didn't see anything all that appealing about a guy who could move fast. I get it now; in fact, it's hard not to see speedsters as overpowered, but somehow I just never had a curiosity for the character/franchise. Maybe it's because I grew up on the Titans where, as String has demonstrated, Wally was pretty uninteresting and pretty unlikable. In fact, Wolfman and Perez really didn't make use of his powers or character at all. He was just always there, off to the side, whining about Raven or about not feeling like he wanted to be a superhero or part of the team anymore. Wally seemed to whine about A LOT of things in that title, actually.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 3, 2016 7:53:39 GMT -5
Wally is far better in his own title (even more so under Mark Waid) than he was with the Titans... it comes across pretty clearly that Wolfman didn't want him.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 3, 2016 10:58:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure why The Flash has never appealed to me, regardless of the incarnation. I grew up during the height of the 1980s TV series, and yet I still didn't see anything all that appealing about a guy who could move fast. I get it now; in fact, it's hard not to see speedsters as overpowered, but somehow I just never had a curiosity for the character/franchise. Maybe it's because I grew up on the Titans where, as String has demonstrated, Wally was pretty uninteresting and pretty unlikable. In fact, Wolfman and Perez really didn't make use of his powers or character at all. He was just always there, off to the side, whining about Raven or about not feeling like he wanted to be a superhero or part of the team anymore. Wally seemed to whine about A LOT of things in that title, actually. If you actually sit down and think about it and extrapolate the powers then Barry Allen is arguably the most powerful person alive.
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Post by String on Jun 3, 2016 19:20:10 GMT -5
Flash #1 Script: Mike Baron Pencils: Jackson Guice Inks: Larry Mahlstedt Colors: Carl Gafford Letters: Steve Haynie Editor : Mike Gold Speed reading: It should be a happy occasion, it's Wally's 20th birthday and we find our hero on the way to his apartment home in Brooklyn when he stops to buy six candy bars and, because of the occasion he feels lucky, also a lottery ticket. He then continues home to be 'surprised'. Having been made suspicious by his current girlfriend Frances Kane about the party, Wally is still happy to see his Titans teammates. Gar and Vic are still amazed over Wally's new metabolic state due his reduced powers as he starts to wolf down a large meal. Presents start to be opened when Wally receives a phone call from a hospital in Manhattan, who ask him if he could deliver a heart for a transplant patient in Seattle. Over Frances' objections, Wally leaves. At the hospital, the doctor informs Wally of the situation. Due to severe weather over the northwest, air flights are hampered. He needs to deliver the heart to Seattle within five hours. Due to this distance and time constraints, Wally is concerned over the cost to his metabolism (we see that Wally is now fixated on needing to 'refuel' via eating constantly depending on how much energy he exerts). Because of this demand, Wally issues a few demands of his own for this costly venture. Along with health insurance, Wally also asks them to pay for him a one-way plane ticket back east. Slightly stunned, the doctor agrees, giving Wally the heart in a medical backpack. Wally begins his trek west, mulling over becoming the new Flash. His recent demands may seem harsh but he recalls how when Barry died, he left behind a mountain of legal bills and how the League had to pay for his funeral. Still, Wally thinks, Barry left him all his old costumes as well as a picture of a what a real hero should be. As he races through the Midwest, the exertion is starting to show. Wally becomes concerned over the weather (snow and sleet start to fall as he reaches Wyoming), will it slow him down, forcing him to stop to refuel and lose precious time? But then, Wally comes across something worse, an assault. Racing back, Wally finds the victim, a private investigator who, before he dies, tells Wally of his attacker, a man named Vandal Savage. Surprised, Wally is nearly taken back when Savage attacks him from behind. His speed reflexes saving him, Wally braces to attack before remembering about his mission, the needed heart. Racing on, Wally stops at a nearby local town to inform the police about the murder before continuing on towards Seattle. His stamina nearly broken, Wally reaches the hospital in time. Wally collapses, being out for nearly seventeen hours while noted author Hegstrom receives her new heart. Once Wally recovers (and wolfs down large amounts of fast-food to refuel), he visits her, being familiar with her work in college. She's happy to see him and thanks him for his effort. History being one of her passions, Wally asks her if she's ever heard of Vandal Savage. She has, his name like a plague throughout history but she believes him to be something akin to a myth. Wally thanks her (after eating all the chocolates on her bedstand) and leaves, flying back east. Aboard the flight, Wally has to intercede to stop a takeover by militants, nearly breaking his wrist in the process. Taken the the hospital up on their promise, Wally stops bye after landing for them to examine his injury. Putting his wrist in a cast, they say it will take about two weeks to heal. Heading home, Wally muses that with his speed, he could heal the injury in a few days but with some pain and at a cost. Debating this, Wally settles in to eat a large meal when the lotto announcement comes over the news. He won! Slightly happy, Wally spots an unopened birthday present on a nearby table. Thinking it's from Frances (who is not home at the moment), Wally opens it, shocked to find inside a human heart! It's then that Wally hears a voice echo from the darkness of his home. Flash facts:
Interestingly, this is the first ever Flash #1. Jay Garrick first appeared in Flash Comics #1. Jay later moved to his own title which became All-Flash which ran for 104 issues. Barry Allen first appeared in Showcase #4. When he was awarded his own title, DC simply picked up at the old numbering, thus Barry's first full Flash issue was #105. For this new relaunch, editor Mike Gold wanted as big a break from Barry Allen as he could get. The new power restrictions on Wally helped emphasize this but he needed a writer with little connection to the previous Flash. Enter Mike Baron, who accepted the assignment on the basis of Gold, whom Baron liked as he fought continually for freelancer rights within the company. To start with, Baron had Wally become a young adult, no longer the precocious teen. Baron's image of Wally was of a confident young man, sure of what he wanted to do with his life, something very atypical from a 20 year old. Baron decided to offset this by giving Wally the typical young male outlook of a womanizer (which is coming up to play soon). As for the health insurance demand, Baron thought such actions would help lend some credibility to Wally's plight and needs. As for winning the lottery, Baron thought that was some nice irony, for the guy who has nearly everything he wants to suddenly get a taste of the rich and famous. How will it play out? This was Jackson Guice's first major assignment for DC after recently leaving Marvel. Gold's direction for Guice was about the same, a break from the past which in this case meant finding new creative ways to portray speed after Carmine Infantino made speed lines for Barry Allen iconic. Guice was up to the challenge as he began exploring the possibilities. (In this first issue though, he does make use of speed lines but they're cleaner than Infantino's version, lending to Wally a leaner form of speed). Frances Kane, Wally's current girlfriend, is an old childhood friend who had a crush on Wally. Unfortunately, she developed uncontrollable magnetic powers, causing her to seek out Wally's help (and the Titans) in New Teen Titans #17. They helped her avert disaster and by this point in time, she's gained some measure of control over her powers. This story was also adopted, in part, in the Young Justice episode 'Coldhearted' in season two. Well worth checking out.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 3, 2016 19:34:22 GMT -5
That might be the best first issue I ever read of any comic book. Nice review. I really liked how he had to constantly consume vast amount of calories to replace the calories his speed burned. That scene in the plane was great also, because he broke his hand by punching the criminals 100 times in one second. Great cliffhanger with him being surprised by Vandal Savage. I think that Savages portrayal in this series was my favorite of any time I've seen him.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2016 22:16:38 GMT -5
Fantastic review, my friend! I just recently started picking up this series and have been reading issues here and there, so it will be interesting to follow along with your journey.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 3:23:31 GMT -5
String, great review and thanks for sharing this story about Wally's 20th birthday and all and I remember this story bits of pieces and all that and I wanted to know that I do remember the fine job of Jackson Guice that did the penciling in this story. He really does a great job of it.
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Post by Golddragon71 on Jun 5, 2016 23:41:45 GMT -5
Just read it. Great Job! I didn't read this issue til long after I became a Flash fan 19 92-93. I do recall it clarified a few things for me about the Next issue which I read first in the Greatest Flash Stories Ever Told. This issue always seemed to fall in line with DC's newer more realistic approach to certain characters. They have flaws They Age (Green Arrow in particular was celebrating his 45th Birthday that same year), and in some cases they even allow themselves to use lethal force. Given that I was well into the shiny suit era (by the time I started Mark Waid was already writing Wally's adventures) It's not hard to see why Wally's early issues seemed so off to me. Every month I was reading new issues that made Wally look better and better while every week I was buying ten issues at a time that were showing Wally exhibiting far less admirable qualities. Still, knowing he would grow out of it kept me engaged and I looked forward to seeing Wally evolve into the Speedster i knew.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 6, 2016 1:45:56 GMT -5
I really liked this period for DC as a whole, but Flash was definitely one of the best titles. Wally was a basically good guy, but he wasn't perfect; he was believable. The scaling down of his powers definitely helped. And I remember being delighted at the return of Vandal Savage, who had never been shown to be as chillingly ruthless and menacing before.
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Post by String on Jun 16, 2016 18:13:03 GMT -5
Flash #2
'Heart of...Stone!' Script: Mike Baron Pencils: Jackson Guice Inks: Larry Mahlstedt Colors: Carl Gafford Letters: Steve Haynie Editor: Mike Gold Speed Reading:
When we last left our hero, Wally, he had just been surprised in his own home by the villainous ancient presence of Vandal Savage! Wally quickly learns that this isn't quite the same foe that his mentor Barry Allen faced. With the aid of 'modern medicine', Vandal has recalled ancient magics that he had learned long ago. Having weaved a containment spell around Wally's apartment, Vandal reveals that the bloody heart that he left for Wally belongs to the private investigator whom Vandal killed last issue during Wally's cross-country trek. The PI had discovered Vandal's secret and his current public identity. Having disposed of him, Vandal seeks to renew his energies by killing this upstart who wears the costume of an old foe. A brief scuffle ensues, all within the tight confines of Wally's apartment. Still smarting from his wrist injury, Wally fights back, surprised by Vandal's strength and speed. But Wally eventually gains an advantage when he forces Vandal through his front door, apparently disrupting Vandal's spell as a magical explosion results, with Vandal seemingly vanished. Afterwards, Francine catches up to Wally whose gone back to the hospital from last issue for a check-up. Relieved that he is basically unharmed, the pair retreat to Francine's apartment as Wally informs her that he just won six-and-half million dollars via the lottery. Skeptically, Francine offers to follow up with the lotto board about claiming his prize while Wally plans to seek out Vandal before he attacks again. Wally manages to access the PI's records, learning that he was in contact with the owner of a local antiques gallery. Suspicious, Wally plans to check this information out after Francine informs him that he has to publicly claim his prize money. Reluctantly, Wally does just this (meeting Gov. Cuomo no less). Afterwards, Wally's visit to the antiques gallery ends in disappointment as he finds the gallery is closed. It's then that Wally decides that he and Francine should properly celebrate both his birthday and lotto winning. The pair eat out at an expensive restaurant and after, decide to hit a local club, with Wally spending money like he has plenty to spare. They are having a grand time when Wally suddenly spots Vandal, watching them from the upper balcony of the club. Vandal suddenly breaks a window of the upper floor, grabs an innocent girl, and throws her out the window! Shocked, Wally changes and races downstairs outside in time to catch the poor girl before she hits the sidewalk. Seeing that she's unconscious but unharmed, Wally races back to the club only to find that Vandal has sealed the doors with another containment spell. Wally realizes that there's only one entrance left into the club - through the window Vandal smashed, if he can reach it. Meanwhile, Francine is trapped inside with Vandal. She uses her magnetic powers in an attempt to stop him but Vandal seems unfazed. Vandal is about to finish her off when Wally re-appears! Together, they use their powers in tandem to shove Vandal out of the same window down to the dark pavement below, only to see that once again, Vandal has somehow vanished into thin air. If Vandal knows about his involvement with Francine now, Wally is reluctant to return to her apartment. So, if you just won the lottery and you need a room for the night, what do you do? You rent a suite from the Ritz. Francine is still surprised by Wally's new spending splurges especially after he gives her a gift, a piece of racy, lacy lingerie. Consulting with Vic at Titans Tower, Wally concludes that Vandal has probably gone to ground for the moment since his new public identity as the gallery owner has been busted. Later, he picks up Francine (in his new Porsche) and drives her out to Southampton, showing her his new purchase, hoping that she likes it as much as he asks her to move in with him. Flash facts:
This issue brings a split focus, as we see Wally deal with the threat of Vandal Savage while also deciding what to do now that he has won six-and-half million dollars. On the Vandal front, I like this depiction of him. Guice depicts Vandal as a dark, shadowy menace. He almost stalks Wally throughout this encounter. His memories may be incomplete but now that he's relearned some of his ancient magic skills, he seems more dangerous than ever. There really wasn't any big super-speed displays here, other than the scene where Wally races after the falling girl. Guice is still using a form of the classic 'speed lines' but they're smaller and more tightly-packed, again giving Wally the illusion of a leaner form while running. We also see some of Wally's hand-to-hand fighting skills (picked up from Dick or Donna perhaps?) which he uses effectively against Vandal, turning his enemy's momentum against him (which saved him and Francine in the club). On the Wally front, Wally quickly adapts to suddenly being flushed with money. For example, in their travels here, he encounters the same cabbie twice. The first time, before he claims his lotto prize, Wally tips him a quarter. The second time, after claiming his lotto prize, he tips him 20 bucks. This is a sign of things to come as he seeks to live up to his new standard and perhaps impress Francine as well. He hires a broker, accountant, and a lawyer to 'keep the greedy people off my back'. Then, he buys a new mansion for a home. Wally seems to be falling into the typical lotto winner trap but it's also interesting to note that in his public acceptance appearance with the Governor, Wally says that he plans to continue college and 'to slow down and enjoy life'. Wally still needs to refuel, here eating everything from a large pizza to a rack of lamb dinner meant for two to room service at the Ritz.
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Post by String on Aug 23, 2016 10:37:33 GMT -5
Flash #3
'The Kilg%re' Script: Mike Baron Pencils: Jackson Guice Inks: Larry Mahlstedt Colors: Carl Gafford Letters: Steve Haynie Editor : Mike Gold Speed Reading:
Well, that didn't last long. After getting cited for speeding in his new sports car, Wally returns home to his new mansion to find Fran gone. He then receives a phone call from a Professor Schmitz (yes, Schmitz) from a STAR Labs facility located near Salt Lake Utah, asking him if he's ready to come and visit. Wally quickly arrives, where we learn that Wally has come here to seek their help in studying his powers in hope that they may be able to find ways for Wally to increase his speed beyond it's current limitations. Prof. Schmitz (yes, Schmitz) goes onto explain how their facilities, with it's latest robotic implements and worldwide computer access, makes them one of the finest labs on the planet. However, before they can begin, Wally needs to refuel and rest (having just run nearly 1500 miles) and seeks out the cafeteria where he encounters a worker who quickly tells Wally about the current rumors of a ghost/monster hidden on flats. Prof. Schmitz (yes, Schmitz) tries to dissuade Wally of such gossip, causing the worker to quit. The Professor then introduces Wally to a specialist he thinks can help Wally with his problems, a nutritionist named Dr. Tina McGee. The next morning, Wally proceeds with their testing, starting with a run around the flats. During that run, Wally is surprised to see a large machine entity but he can only see it when going fast. While circling it and trying to figure it out, the machine tunes into Wally's speed, causing an explosion as it literally becomes real. The labs' security tries to handle this new threat to no avail. Wally fends off an attack from a machine-type drone tank while security rallies everyone back into the facility (but not before Prof. Schmitz [yes, Schmitz] is injured probing the alien shell, having one of his fingers severed off before Wally rescues him). Inside, Wally and the staff find the facility's systems no longer under their control. Using their modern computers, Wally then learns of his new enemy. Kilg%re further elaborates using TV simulations (ala Max Headroom) to explain that it finds Earth to be a perfect new home and feeding source for it given the technical infrastructure that humanity has built so far and maintained. But it doesn't know quite yet what to do about the carbon-based organisms infesting his new home. Wally tries defending the importance of humanity but Kilg%re decides elimination may be needed. Before he can respond, Wally suddenly collapses. Ten hours later, Wally awakens to find Tina nursing him. The exhaustion of all the previous action wore Wally out and he needed time to recover. Wally thanks Tina who responds warmly but then the National Guard arrives. Wally learns that during his rest, Kilg%re had seemingly disappeared, the National Guard nor the labs' scientists not having been able to find any trace of it. Wally is unsure about this development but Prof. Schmitz (yes, Schmitz) is adamant about getting back to regular business such as Wally's testing. The tests resume until a NSA adviser arrives on-site with the latest sighting/message from Kilg%re: the humans on the North American continent must evacuate within 24 hours or risk destruction. Kilg%re seeks to prove his point by launching a nuclear missile but the missile explodes before reaching it's target. The NSA adviser wants Wally, Tina, and the Professor to accompany him back to Salt Lake City. On the ride into town, Wally notices that the Professor's severed finger is restored... Flash facts:
This issue is important for a number of reasons. We see the introduction of the Kilg%re, one of Baron's major contributions to the rogues gallery of the Flash. It's interesting to read this in hindsight. Back then, the potential and possibilities of computers seemed endless, both for good or bad. We'd seen the rise of machines and the demise of humanity through such films as the Terminator while TV showed the positive effects through shows like Knight Rider and Street Hawk. Which path will this foe follow? Baron created the Kilg%re as a form of machine-like intelligent virus and thus saw the character as having great potential for sci-fi influenced stories. We also see the introduction of Dr. Tina McGee. The chemistry between her and Wally is evident from the start and we see further snippets of this throughout this issue. Yes, she is married but at this time, we the readers are given no further information about that. We just know that something 'clicks' between them. We see Wally's concerns over his limitations. He admits that he can feel that he can be faster but he may need help in achieving it. We also see more of his motivations when Tina asks him why does he wear a mask. "Oh, many reasons. It feels good...tradition...respect for Barry...but I don't lead a double life."
A few thoughts on the cafeteria worker. For starters, on the way to the cafe, Wally informs the Professor that he is flying out his own personal chef, trained in Florence no less. Go Wally. As for the worker himself, to me, he comes close to being a stereotype. He's obviously of some Latino descent but the usage of such words as 'Chure' for sure seems rather indifferent. And then, there's his reason for quitting (other than the Professor calling him a liar), he's meant to be a dancer! The whole sequence seems rather odd. Guice does well on the art front, especially with Tina. In a way, you can't fault Wally (who is a young man now) for flirting with her, ring or no. Given that Kilg%re has no 'physical' form as of yet, Guice apparently had some fun with the on-screen depictions of it during his rants. (It's cool to see his renditions of the Max Headroom craze of the time) Side-note: Tina McGee would become such a strong secondary character that she would be featured in the Flash 1990 TV show and again in the current Flash show, both times played by Amanda Pays (who also played Theora Jones on the short-lived Max Headroom TV show. Small world after all). Wally's food count: At least 6 cheeseburgers, six eggs, half a pound of ham, and a nutritional drink prepared by Tina.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 23, 2016 10:57:07 GMT -5
I'm beginning to suspect something is just a litte bit off with Professor...uh...sorry, what was his name, again?
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