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Post by Dizzy D on May 29, 2016 15:22:21 GMT -5
Hey, Barry Smith, like Jack Kirby much?  Hey, Bill Sienkiewicz, like Neal Adams much?  icc, is "artistic doppelganger" a euphemism for swiper?  Ha, those two came to mind first as well. (Well those two and Herb Trimpe doing Liefeld) |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 19:25:10 GMT -5
Hey, Bill Sienkiewicz, like Neal Adams much? While I agree that early Sienkiewicz is essentially an Adams clone, don't you think the picture above looks like Brunner more than Adams? Another Adams clone was young Tom Grindberg. Thank heaven he grew into his own and became an awesome cartoonist! Only after Grindberg went through the awful Image house-style clone has a lovechild with Mike Mignola's style he was using in the 90s though...  -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 29, 2016 20:23:53 GMT -5
I only saw his Mignola impression when he drew a one page scene in Savage Sword of Conan, but it was very derivative.
His later stuff as cover artist for Conan the savage and his current stuff on Tarzan, though... Wow!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 29, 2016 20:35:10 GMT -5
I always thought that Ron Frenz channeled Sal Buscema   |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 22:25:15 GMT -5
A lot of artists wear their influences on their sleeve, so to speak, early in their career before they develop their own style-Barry Smith's early Kirby-esque stuff, Gulacy's Steranko-esque stuff and Sienkewiczs's Adams-esque phases being prime examples of that. I don't think they were trying to swipe or ape the work of someone else, I think they were showing their inexperience and their early influences before they matured enough to synthesize something new from those styles that shaped them. As they matured as artists, their style evolved into something very distinguishable from their early influences and something very much unique to them. I think that is very different than an artist intentionally aping another artist's style later in their career in an attempt to remain relevant or marketable.
You can see the same thing in young writers as well-a lot of early Lovecraft is strongly influenced by the writing of Lord Dunsany and is called his Dunsanian phase, but by the time he got the stuff we know as his Cthulhu mythos, his writing had evolved to something very different. And then, some very early Stephen King and Brian Lumley was very Lovecraftian until they too developed their own signature voices.
For some artists, it is just their natural evolution as a creator to work through their influences until their own signature artistic voice emerges. For others though, it is a blatant attempt to use the popularity of another's style to get work in an industry that can chew through creative talent like a meat grinder.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 30, 2016 6:02:30 GMT -5
I never meant this thread as a put down to these various artists. You're right, mrp, in that most of them evolved to something different. But when I was growing up , I think every kid wanted to draw like Neal Adams.
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Post by Confessor on May 30, 2016 6:34:01 GMT -5
Hey, Barry Smith, like Jack Kirby much? Wow, yeah...he's really got Kirby's ability to make all women look like ugly, contorted, overly-butch monsters down pat. 
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Post by tolworthy on May 30, 2016 8:11:36 GMT -5
Hey, Barry Smith, like Jack Kirby much? Wow, yeah...he's really got Kirby's ability to make all women look like ugly, contorted, overly-butch monsters down pat.
Quickly runs out of the room before anyone can throw something at him.Wash your mouth out with soap! I agree that people who imitate Kirby cannot get it right. Kirby isn't about thick fingers or sharp shadows. He's about personality that bursts out in the art. He's about the story. For me Kirby draws the most beautiful women because they are real. They have personalities. Each is an individual. They're not just male minds in porn star bodies, like in so many modern comics.  |
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Post by spoon on May 30, 2016 13:05:39 GMT -5
I always thought that Ron Frenz channeled Sal Buscema I'm reading Frenz's run on Amazing Spider-Man, and Frenz seems to be attempted to mimic Ditko in many ways. Some panels are direct swipes/homages. Speaking of Frenz and Sal, Sal Buscema would later be Frenz's inker on Spider-Girl. I've been thinking of doing a Spider-Girl review thread someday, but I'm not sure that anyone around here has read the series. |
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Post by Action Ace on May 30, 2016 13:55:49 GMT -5
I never meant this thread as a put down to these various artists. You're right, mrp, in that most of them evolved to something different. But when I was growing up , I think every kid wanted to draw like Neal Adams. Wasn't there a Beach Boys song at the time that went, "I wish they all could be Neal Adams cloooooooooooooones." Count me as a kid that wanted to draw like Neal Adams too. |
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Post by Red Oak Kid on May 30, 2016 15:41:34 GMT -5
When I started buying Marvel comics in the early 70s I had not seen the work of Steranko. And I didn't buy the Kung Fu books by Gulacy. But yes, in retrospect, Gulacy was a nice Steranko clone. Nothing wrong with that.
I bought a lot of Tom Grindberg comics because he did Adams better than Adams in some instances.
Barry Smith did imitate Kirby in his very early efforts but he quickly had a style all his own.
Even Infantino who evolved to the ultimate 60's futuristic artist started out as a Caniff clone. Same with Joe Kubert.
And then there is Mr. Richard Buckler......
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 30, 2016 15:45:01 GMT -5
'm reading Frenz's run on Amazing Spider-Man, and Frenz seems to be attempted to mimic Ditko in many ways. Some panels are direct swipes/homages. Absolutely! And many of his Thor issues are clear hommages to Kirby. Ron could be an artistic chameleon when he wanted, and it was fun to see really old-school Spidey or Thor again! |
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Post by Red Oak Kid on May 30, 2016 15:58:57 GMT -5
What about all the people who learned inking from Wally Wood? Dan Adkins was the best known.
Wayne Howard was a good Wood influenced penciler AND inker.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on May 30, 2016 16:33:59 GMT -5
Mike Ploog. I believe he had been an assistant to Will Eisner.
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Post by Spike-X on May 30, 2016 17:36:11 GMT -5
Some of Phil Jiminez's work is practically indistinguishable from George Perez.
I remember Karl Kesel's early work looking a whole lot like John Byrne.
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