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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 22, 2016 17:53:35 GMT -5
Kids having instant wish fulfillment / empowerment. What's not to like ? That's kind of why I liked Prime from the Ultraverse so much, even though it was kind of weak in some places. It felt like a much more modern take on Captain Marvel, but still kept the fun bits of it, even though it did get into some heavy topics like pedophilia (which might have been a bit much even for the time and the age demographic it was targeted towards) |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 22, 2016 18:13:30 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of people say they liked Prime.
Sad that Marvel doesn't do anything with the Malibu characters.
I highly doubt they will either until everyone that had a contract, and creator rights, with Malibu, has deceased.
Things like that, lots of things over the last 20 years or so, have really turned me off to Marvel.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 22, 2016 18:51:36 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of people say they liked Prime. Sad that Marvel doesn't do anything with the Malibu characters. I highly doubt they will either until everyone that had a contract, and creator rights, with Malibu, has deceased. Things like that, lots of things over the last 20 years or so, have really turned me off to Marvel. Prime, for a 90's comic about boyhood fantasies of becoming a stereotypical "extreme!!" beefcake hero, is actually fairly good and doesn't try and be something that it isn't. It does however feel more like a character study of what a prepubscent teenager would do in increasingly adult situations rather than an acutal story. But to it's credit, it does have depth in some places. What irrates me the most though is how somebody managed to sneak in Prime as Spider-Man in one of the Spider-Verse event books, but nothing materialized past that. I also had hopes that the Ultraverse would return in some fashion in the recent Secret Wars event, but.... I kind of just wish Valiant would buy the rights of the Ultraverse out from under Marvel, because they at least give a shit when it comes to underdog heroes and companies. But with Disney owning Marvel outright, that'll never happen. I'm still amazed that Haim Saban was able to buy the rights back to Power Rangers IDK, maybe we'll get lucky and have one of the Ultraverse properties turned into a movie like Big Hero 6 was |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 22, 2016 19:02:58 GMT -5
Who did Saban bought the rights from ?
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 22, 2016 19:05:55 GMT -5
I think what gave and still gives Captain Marvel that kind of popularity is the fact that it's roots are steeped in mythology without being explicitly "magic based" like say Dr. Fate in More Fun Comics. It also had a more salt of the earth main character, an orphan who sells newspapers and later hosts a radio program who can turn into a full grown powerhouse with a single flick of the tounge. This isn't to say that I don't think that Superman isn't "down to earth", but he still has that "outsider looking in" thing going for him as he's a humanoid alien who can never truly be an earthling no matter how hard he tries Well, I see what you're saying, but Golden-age Captain Marvel is explicitly "magic-based." His powers are granted to him by an ancient wizard seeking to combat the "Seven Deadly Enemies of Man (Pride, Envy, Greed, Hatred, Selfishness, Laziness and Injustice)." That his powers are channeled through a layman's understanding of Greek and Roman mythology is a sort of window-dressing, Fawcett's deliberate, built-in argument against the inevitable comparisons to Superman, without whom there likely is no Captain Marvel. This is all to say that the National (DC) suit against Fawcett had merit (Slam Bradley should and will check me on this  .) I think the people behind the "Big Red Cheese" recognized this fact and immediately began a campaign to distance the character from his DC inspiration as much as they could. Captain Marvel scribe Otto Binder is on record saying as much, essentially claiming they read no Superman stories and avoided the radio plays, attempting to keep their character as pure as they could. Thus, there is a certain irony in the fact that several important elements crucial to the Superman mythos (Superboy, Supergirl, etc.) were first introduced in the Fawcett Captain Marvel stories (Captain Marvel Jr., Mary Marvel) as a way of distinguishing them from Superman stories, only to be later successfully adopted by National after they had prevailed in their legal wranglings. IMHO, obviously. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 22, 2016 19:30:19 GMT -5
Huh, I'd always heard that National/DC came up with Superboy and Supergirl as an attempt to steal thunder (har har) away from Fawcett's Marvel Family long before they were sued into the ground, but then again I'm fairly naive
It still begs the question as to whether or not Superman would be helpless against Captain Marvel due to Supes for some reason being weak against magic at one point or another
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 22, 2016 20:25:24 GMT -5
Superboy was first proposed by Jerry Siegel prior to the creation of Captain Marvel, Jr., but the series wasn't greenlit until after Junior's book hit it big. (By the way, the Superboy strip was launched nearly eight years before DC "prevailed in their legal wranglings," Phil). Supergirl, on the other hand, debuted five years after Fawcett closed down their comics line. She was, however, created by Otto Binder, formerly head writer of the Marvel Family stories, so there is a connection to Fawcett.
Cei-U!
This stuff is never as simple as it seems!
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 22, 2016 21:31:09 GMT -5
(By the way, the Superboy strip was launched nearly eight years before DC "prevailed in their legal wranglings," Phil). Well, sure, if you're gonna bring facts into it. . . Seriously, that's why I'm always sure to include "I think" and IMHO when I'm just spit-ballin'. However, would you kindly elaborate on this: because it seems to suggest that the idea was obvious, and it was just a question of who would go there first. It seems perfectly reasonable. Is there a cite for it? |
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