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Post by Jeddak on Sept 26, 2017 19:57:15 GMT -5
She gets off work at 1:30 am. Halfway home, Daylight Saving Time kicks in, and her clock goes ahead one hour, so she gets home at 3:30.
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Post by berkley on Sept 27, 2017 0:02:05 GMT -5
Farrar takes the prize! Here's the official answer from Ray: You can clearly buy six, you can clearly buy nine, you can obviously buy 12, 15 we've established, 18, 20, 21 you can keep going. Now, if you can buy 15, of course you can buy 30, 45, and you can buy 90. And if you can buy 18 you can buy 36 and 72. And if you can buy 20, you can buy all the multiples of 100: 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, a million, etcetera. I kept working upwards, and there were some holes. I couldn't buy 31 for example. I couldn't buy 37, I couldn't buy 43, but then a strange thing happened. I found out that I could buy 44, 45, 46, 47. Now if I could buy 46, I could buy 92. Once I got to 43, I realized that was the largest number that I couldn't buy. I was hoping for some mathematical explanation as to why that was the cut-off! Not that kind of quiz, I realise.
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 27, 2017 5:05:22 GMT -5
Farrar takes the prize! Here's the official answer from Ray: You can clearly buy six, you can clearly buy nine, you can obviously buy 12, 15 we've established, 18, 20, 21 you can keep going. Now, if you can buy 15, of course you can buy 30, 45, and you can buy 90. And if you can buy 18 you can buy 36 and 72. And if you can buy 20, you can buy all the multiples of 100: 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, a million, etcetera. I kept working upwards, and there were some holes. I couldn't buy 31 for example. I couldn't buy 37, I couldn't buy 43, but then a strange thing happened. I found out that I could buy 44, 45, 46, 47. Now if I could buy 46, I could buy 92. Once I got to 43, I realized that was the largest number that I couldn't buy. I was hoping for some mathematical explanation as to why that was the cut-off! Not that kind of quiz, I realise. Yeah, me too. I was trying to make a formula myself, but couldn't prove that 43 was the highest and not some random prime number further along.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 27, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5
Farrar takes the prize! Here's the official answer from Ray: You can clearly buy six, you can clearly buy nine, you can obviously buy 12, 15 we've established, 18, 20, 21 you can keep going. Now, if you can buy 15, of course you can buy 30, 45, and you can buy 90. And if you can buy 18 you can buy 36 and 72. And if you can buy 20, you can buy all the multiples of 100: 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, a million, etcetera. I kept working upwards, and there were some holes. I couldn't buy 31 for example. I couldn't buy 37, I couldn't buy 43, but then a strange thing happened. I found out that I could buy 44, 45, 46, 47. Now if I could buy 46, I could buy 92. Once I got to 43, I realized that was the largest number that I couldn't buy. I was hoping for some mathematical explanation as to why that was the cut-off! So was I. As Tom Magliozzi would have said, that answer was bo-o-o-o-gus!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 28, 2017 8:00:00 GMT -5
And this week's challenge: RAY: This was submitted by a fellow named Bob Stewart and I had to change a few things but not much. I liked it just the way it was. "My friend Jane gets off work at 1:30 every day, well every day that she works, that is. And it takes her one hour to drive home. Since she's not driving at rush hour, she arrives home at almost exactly 2:30 every day - a one hour commute. However, it doesn't always work out that way. For example, one day she left work at the usual time, 1:30 , but got home at 3:30 instead of 2:30 . There was nothing different about her route and she drove the same speed and she didn't break down and she wasn't abducted by aliens or anything like that. So the question is what happened?" Awwwww....
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 28, 2017 10:45:03 GMT -5
I was hoping for some mathematical explanation as to why that was the cut-off! So was I. As Tom Magliozzi would have said, that answer was bo-o-o-o-gus!I googled it to see if anybody had a mathematical answer and this is what I got (paraphrased from Wikipedia): According to Schur's theorem, any sufficiently large integer can be expressed as a linear combination of three relative primes (relative primes are numbers that share no common. so this is not correct for this example as 6 and 20 do share another common divider: 2, but close enough for our purpose). So it's a matter to find the lowest integer that can not be expressed as this number (the largest non-McNugget number. In Maths this is known as the Coin Problem). As we've seen from the answers that is 43. Now to prove that 43 is the highest possible number, we can see that the next 6 numbers *are* possible to express in a combination of the three numbers: 44 = 6 + 9 + 9 + 20 45 = 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 46 = 6 + 20 + 20 47 = 9 + 9 + 9 + 20 48 = 6 + 6 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 49 = 9 + 20 + 20 So any larger number from then on than can be expressed as one of these numbers + x boxes of 6. For combinations of 2 numbers, we can find the largest "McNugget"-number through a formula, but for combinations of 3 numbers, there is no formula (yet) and it remains trial and error. Now McDonald's has issued boxes of 4 as well, so our largest McNugget-number now has become? (See spoiler for answer) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 28, 31, 34, 37, and 43 were our previous numbers. It can't be a number higher than that, so we'll start to look for the first successive row of numbers that is equal to the lowest number we have (4).
1,2,3 still are, because they are lower than our lowest number. 5, 7 still are, because they are lower than the sum of our two lowest numbers (2x4) 11 still is. And then we get to the string of 4 numbers that can all be expressed as groups of 4. 12=6+6 13=9+4 14=6+4+4 15=6+9
So any higher number than 11 is one of these combo's + x boxes of 4.
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Post by berkley on Sept 29, 2017 22:46:07 GMT -5
Thanks Dizzy D, that's just what I was looking for.
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 24, 2017 17:42:45 GMT -5
I've missed a few weeks, so we have a plethora of puzzlers today! First, congrats to outsider for getting this one correct. "My friend Jane gets off work at 1:30 every day, well every day that she works, that is. And it takes her one hour to drive home. Since she's not driving at rush hour, she arrives home at almost exactly 2:30 every day - a one hour commute. However, it doesn't always work out that way. For example, one day she left work at the usual time, 1:30 , but got home at 3:30 instead of 2:30 . There was nothing different about her route and she drove the same speed and she didn't break down and she wasn't abducted by aliens or anything like that. So the question is what happened?" Now I don't want you to infer anything. Just use the information I've given you. The official answer: TOM: I know the answer. It was Daylight Saving Time. RAY: Bingo. TOM: Doesn't that happen in the middle of the night? RAY: That's when she left work. She left work at 1:30 AM, and 2:00 AM is when you make the change. TOM: Oh, she works nights. That's very good! Now, new Puzzler #1: Ray: This was sent in by a fellow named Chuck Thompson from Austin, Texas. Zeke and Zack were two high-school buddies who lived close to each other and one day, they went off in search of after-school employment. Neither of them had a particularly reliable car so they decided to get a job at the same place so they could help each other get to work. Finding employment together proved harder than they had thought, until they happened upon a pig farmer who was impressed with their manure shoveling prowess. "Can you start tomorrow?" he asked. "Yes, sir!" they said. "Do you have a car?" "Yes, in fact each of us has a car," said Zeke, "but mine has a touchy fuel pump and a probability of starting of 80%. And Zack's starter has been acting up and the probability of his car starting is only 70%." The farmer thought for a minute and said, "Sorry, boys, but my pigs and I need both of you here at least 90% of the time. Things pile up, you know. I'm afraid I can't hire you." Well, with long faces they walked away bemoaning their bad luck. Who wouldn't want to spend his free time shoveling pig manure, right? But in an instant, they figured something out. They would have those dream jobs after all. What did they say to the farmer that got them hired? New Puzzler #2: RAY: A friend of ours who runs, for lack of a better term, a small business in our fair city -- he's a loan shark actually -- came across this word some years ago and sent it to Tom, thinking it might be a good puzzler. Tom obviously lost it. But he also sent it to Alan Feldman, who recently sent it to me! Here it is: Give me a word with three, consecutive double letters. I'll give you a couple of words that almost qualify, but don't. For example, the word committee, c-o-m-m-i-t-t-e-e. It would be great except for the i that sneaks in there. Or Mississippi -- M-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i. If you could take out those i's it would work. But there is a word that has three consecutive pairs of letters and to the best of my knowledge this may be the only word. Of course there are probably 500 more but I can only think of one. What is the word? and new Puzzler #3: RAY: This puzzler was sent in by Ben Hayes, and he says it's a true story. Well, it probably was until I monkeyed around with it. So it's based on a true story. I was in the market for a new car a few years ago and I decided early one Saturday morning to go do it. I wanted a Toyota Corolla, and who wouldn't, considering their stellar reputation and all that. So with that in mind I headed for the biggest, baddest Toyota dealership in the county. I figured they'd have the best selection and probably the best prices too, right? So I pulled up to the dealership in my clunker and the salesman, sensing an easy sale, met me in the parking lot. In fact he practically tripped over himself to get to me. And while he was pumping my hand vigorously, I told him I wanted a new Corolla with AC and power steering; the color didn't really matter, but I wanted manual transmission. "You do?" "Yeah, yeah, I do." "Sheesh, we don't sell manuals at all. Practically all the cars we sell are automatics. We may have one or two on the lot. But -" and I sensed he was trying to get rid of me - "but our computer system is down this morning and the only way to find one is to go out into the lot and walk up and down the rows." So I said, "Let's go for it!" Well, I couldn't believe how many Corollas they had. Together we walked down a long row of Corollas. When we looked to the left there was a sea of rear bumpers and tailpipes. And when we looked to the right, more Corollas, these showing off their headlights and grilles. While I leisurely walked between these two rows of cars, the salesman bounced from one to another, looking in the windows to see what kind of shifter each car had. And he tried to do it pretty efficiently, in that he would stand between two cars and he would look into the driver's window of one car and he'd look in the passenger window of the other car, so he was killing two birds with one stone. And then he'd run in front of me and run to the cars parked on my right. And he'd do the same thing, back and forth, back and forth. I, on the other hand, never got closer than 15 feet to any of these cars. And from my vantage point, there was absolutely no way I could possibly see into any of them. Yet at one point I said, "Oh, there's a stick shift." The salesman walked up to it and said, "You're right! How did you know that?" And the question is, how did I know that?
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 25, 2017 9:29:31 GMT -5
The first one: There is a 20% chance that Zeke's car won't start, there's a 30% chance that Zack's car won't start. So there's a 6% chance that neither car will start. So if they carpool, they will be there 94% of the time.
The second one: I've heard this one before, so I'm sitting this out.
The third one: I don't know cars, so sitting this one out to.
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Post by Jeddak on Oct 25, 2017 20:45:36 GMT -5
Bah. Dizzy D beat me to the first one. And I know squat about cars, so I don't know the third.
But if that pig farmer couldn't do the math about the cars starting by himself, maybe he needs a new bookkeeper, eh?
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 27, 2017 15:47:59 GMT -5
We've had two correct answers to the two Puzzlers I missed, so let's catch up on those and leave the automotive one open until they post the answer early next week. I don't know what the answer to that one is, even though I drive a stick shift.
First, Dizzy D wins this one:
RAY: The question was, what did Zeke and Zack say to the farmer that got them hired?
TOM: And the answer is, 'We'll be here tomorrow."
RAY: Exactly. 'We'll be here tomorrow." Here's why: Zeke's car starts 80% of the time, that's eight times out of ten, which means two times out of ten it doesn't start. Zack's car starts 70% of the time which means three times out of ten his car does not start.
So the two cars together don't start two times out of ten and three times out of ten, which means the probability of both cars not starting is six out of a hundred which is six percent. They're going to be there 94% of the time.
And outsider takes the prize for this one:
RAY: And the word is --
TOM AND RAY: Bookkeeper.
RAY: Or bookkeep, or bookkeeping, B-O-O-K-K-E-E. Pretty good, eh?
TOM: Very, very good.
RAY: Someone sent in good deed. But that's not one word. And the Scrabble crowd sent us heelloop, hooffooted and veneerroom, but bookkeeper is our answer.
TOM: That's right and it's better than any of those stupid other words.
RAY: Yeah, and by the way, I mean, you can't go using the Internet to solve these puzzles. It's like sitting down and doing a crossword puzzle with a crossword puzzle dictionary sitting next to you.
TOM: Yeah.
RAY: It's like you've given up on life, you might as well as start wearing sweatpants.
TOM: We're asking you to think!
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 30, 2017 12:58:54 GMT -5
The answer turns out to be based on the US labeling rules for new cars:
RAY: Here's the answer. I knew it from the window sticker.
TOM: Yes you did.
RAY: The window sticker lists all the equipment in the car. Now at that distance, like 15 or 20 feet away, I couldn't possibly read standard shift.
TOM: But you could see the big mileage numbers.
RAY: Exactly. I could see the city mileage and the highway mileage. And all the automatics were the same, whatever they were, 27 and 34. And then when we got to the stick-shift car, it was 28, for example, and 36. And I knew it was a --
TOM: Just a slight difference.
RAY: Just a slight difference, a little better. And I knew that that car couldn't be an automatic, but it had to be a stick shift if it was a Corolla. Pretty good, huh?
TOM: Not bad!
And for this week, Ray wants us to do some calculating:
RAY: This is from my Lost Wages series and it was sent in by Katherine Curtis. She writes:
A man is visiting Las Vegas, known for gambling casinos and the like, and he falls for the local hype and heads for a casino with hopes of hitting it big.
He goes into this unusual casino that charges a dollar to enter, as well as a dollar to leave. He pays his dollar, plays the slot machines, loses half his money and in disgust pays his one dollar and leaves.
The following day he knows he'll do better. He takes the money he has left and heads out to the same casino. He pays his buck, but just like before, he again loses half his money, and pays another dollar to leave.
On the third day he figures he'll give it one more shot but his money is dwindling fast. The same thing happens. After paying his one dollar entrance, he loses half his money, and then pays his last dollar to get out. He's flat broke when he leaves.
So the question is: How much money did he start with?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 30, 2017 14:52:27 GMT -5
If he has 21$ and pays 1$ to get in, he has 20$ to play. He loses half of it, which leaves him with 10. He pays a buck to exit, and so he has 9$ when he goes back to his room. Next day he goes to the casino with his 9 bucks, pays one to get in, and loses half of the 8 dollars left. That leaves him with four. He pays a dollar to get out and goes home with three bucks. The following day he goes to the casino with his three dollars, pays one to get in, and of the two dollars he has left he loses half, leaving him with one dollar. He has to give it away to go out again, and is left with nothing. But what would have happened if he had gambled away that final dollar? Would they have fed him to the lions at Caesar's palace???
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 30, 2017 16:29:43 GMT -5
If he'd gambled away the last dollar, he would have been in a different Puzzler.
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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 10, 2017 18:11:50 GMT -5
The somewhat-belated answer is:
RAY: You could write an algebraic expression to answer this puzzler. For example, if you let X represent the amount of money that he started with, then after the first day he is left with X minus one, that quantity over two minus one.
And then that just tells you how much money he's left with. Then you can run an expression, how much he has after the second day. And the third day, and set that expression equal to zero and solve.
Or you could think about it backwards. If you wound up with zero then the last day he entered the casino he had to have walked in with three dollars in his pocket. So if on day three he had three dollars, then he had to have started the day before with nine dollars.
And if you work backwards to the first day, he started with 21 bucks, and that's the answer. He had 21-dollars, paid a dollar to get in, he had 20 left, lost half of it. And so on.
And the new challenge:
RAY: This was sent in by Tom Ireland and I had to mess around with it a little.
He writes:
Where I live there are quite a few hills, many of them very steep. Some of them are quite a challenge for any vehicle, even those that are high performance. In fact, a few of these hills are so steep that I often have to ride up the whole way in low gear, especially if I happen to catch a red light at the bottom like I did the other day.
A few days ago I found myself going not up one of these hills, but down a long steep grade. I found myself gaining speed at an alarming rate. Shifting even into the lowest gear didn't help at all and I had to apply my brakes almost the entire way down to keep from going so fast that I'd lose control and crash.
The brakes got really, really hot, but I was able to stop safely at the red light at the bottom of the hill. Here's the interesting part: There's nothing wrong with my vehicle. It's in perfect working order.
So the question is, why did I have to use my brakes to maintain a safe speed going down that hill? And why, despite the fact that I put it in first gear, did it not slow me down in the slightest?
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