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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 28, 2016 12:22:50 GMT -5
A big hardcover of this storyline is coming out in July, with a very affordable price tag (less than 10 cents a page).
Is it worth getting? I heard that Jonathan Hickman was pretty ambitious with his cosmic plots. I like Cosmic, I like Moorcockesque situations in which reality hangs in the balance... but I don't much care for just 500 pages of stuff exploding (which is what "Crisis on Infinite Earths" felt like most of the time).
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 28, 2016 13:41:53 GMT -5
I absolutely hated Hickman.. he has good big ideas, but he has no idea where to take them... his endings are always disappointing. He also, IMO, has Bendis-like characterization where every character sounds and acts the same.
If it's a good deal and you like big cosmic stuff it might be worth it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 28, 2016 14:27:46 GMT -5
Thanks, wildfire.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 28, 2016 14:37:50 GMT -5
My experience with Hickman is he has lots of big ideas and he starts out strong and then peters out with very little payoff.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 28, 2016 15:22:00 GMT -5
Thank you, Slam.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 28, 2016 15:45:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I haven't read the story in question but I recently read his run on the Ultimates in which he introduced several big ideas...but seemed to have no idea what to do with them. I feel like he needs a strong editor and a co-writer in order to really come up big.
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Post by berkley on Jun 28, 2016 16:37:32 GMT -5
I haven't read his Avengers, but based on the two early Hickman books I've read, it may be flawed, but it won't be just a lot of big explosions. I see him as part of the next wave of American writers who have been influenced by what Brits like Ellis and Morrison (and of course Alan Moore before them) were doing with superhero comics in the 90s and early 2000s.
Having said that, I don't think he really has the chops to handle some of the big ideas he introduces into his stories, at least in the two books I've read. However, those were his first two efforts, so I don't want to dismiss him yet. I plan to try one of his later solo series next, probably Manhattan Projects, and then his Avengers. Does this Time Runs Out collection start from the beginning of his Avengers run or somewhere in the middle?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 28, 2016 16:53:05 GMT -5
I was semi collecting the Avengers at the time. I dropped the books with these issues. It started 4 years ago in the New Avengers books with the incursion story and really ended in the Secret wars 2 mini. You can skip it , man.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 28, 2016 17:49:23 GMT -5
I've read the same two books you read berkley, and liked them.
Others have said that about Hickman too, so I'm passing on the Avengers Hickman sale @ Comixology right now.
The trade collections are normally $ 8 - 20 each, now $ 4.
He sounds perfect for a franchise like the Avengers, or the Legion (!), but having heard about weak endings, which really aggravate me, I'm skipping.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 28, 2016 20:25:48 GMT -5
You could read all those issues in Marvel Unlimited for 9.99 month or 69 a year.
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Post by String on Jun 28, 2016 20:31:28 GMT -5
I do think Hickman's Avengers magnum opus is worthy of a re-read at some point. I also think that it will read better in a collected fashion than it did in the monthlies.
My main problem with Hickman here is his characterization. Steve and Tony come off mostly as cold impersonal characters rather than teammates of long standing. Yes, Hickman does have some BIG IDEAS here but those ideas and concepts sometimes overshadow, and in some instances, replaces the needed characterization. Yes, Steve and Tony eventually come to blows but why should I really care?
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 28, 2016 20:35:25 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Hickmans Avengers run, but it is a HUGE story over years of 3 Avengers books, with callbacks to his FF run and involvement in several cross-overs (most importantly the Hickman-written Infinity and Secret Wars, obviously).
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Post by Confessor on Jun 28, 2016 20:53:44 GMT -5
A big hardcover of this storyline is coming out in July, with a very affordable price tag (less than 10 cents a page). Is it worth getting? I heard that Jonathan Hickman was pretty ambitious with his cosmic plots. I like Cosmic, I like Moorcockesque situations in which reality hangs in the balance... but I don't much care for just 500 pages of stuff exploding (which is what " Crisis on Infinite Earths" felt like most of the time). As long as you don't mind not getting any resolution to various plot strands that are introduced, then Hickman's great.  Actually, I haven't read this particular thing, but I still get annoyed when I think of his run on Fantastic Four. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 29, 2016 2:01:35 GMT -5
A big hardcover of this storyline is coming out in July, with a very affordable price tag (less than 10 cents a page). Is it worth getting? I heard that Jonathan Hickman was pretty ambitious with his cosmic plots. I like Cosmic, I like Moorcockesque situations in which reality hangs in the balance... but I don't much care for just 500 pages of stuff exploding (which is what " Crisis on Infinite Earths" felt like most of the time). As long as you don't mind not getting any resolution to various plot strands that are introduced, then Hickman's great. Actually, I haven't read this particular thing, but I still get annoyed when I think of his run on Fantastic Four. What plotlines weren't wrapped up in his FF run? I thought all of it ended up neatly at the end? |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 29, 2016 2:43:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I tried Hickman's FF and Avenger's but found his characterization either non-existent or cold. I don't understand why someone would want to write big mega-epics with lifeless characters that nobody could ever care about. I also hate most of his ideas, particularly in the cosmic realm. Multiple Reed's each with an Infinity Gauntlet? The underwhelming Beyonder's being able to kill the Living Tribunal? Give me a break. I don't think there are many writers or editors at Marvel nowadays that grew up with a healthy appreciation for the cosmic stuff. It makes sense, given how influenced most were by Moore and Miller.
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