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Post by Farrar on Jul 20, 2016 9:03:47 GMT -5
So wait a minute... whatever happened to the original Diana Prince? Did she ever show up again?
Yes, she did! In Sensation Comics #9, the original Diana returns from South America with her husband and newborn child. As her family is suffering financial hardship, she forces WW to relinquish her credentials and assumes WW's position as secretary to Colonel Darnell. However, her husband Dan White is opposed to his wife working, and WW is eventually able to get the Army to adopt his new invention. The income from this makes his wife earnings redundant and she is able to return to her role of a housewife, and WW becomes Diana Prince again. Wonder Woman: a feminist icon devoted to protecting the world from the danger of married women working outside the home!  Not only that, but as Diana Prince White is now sporting a new hairdo in #9, apparently they're no longer twinsies.   |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 20, 2016 20:40:20 GMT -5
So wait a minute... whatever happened to the original Diana Prince? Did she ever show up again?
Yes, she did! In Sensation Comics #9, the original Diana returns from South America with her husband and newborn child. As her family is suffering financial hardship, she forces WW to relinquish her credentials and assumes WW's position as secretary to Colonel Darnell. However, her husband Dan White is opposed to his wife working, and WW is eventually able to get the Army to adopt his new invention. The income from this makes his wife earnings redundant and she is able to return to her role of a housewife, and WW becomes Diana Prince again. Wonder Woman: a feminist icon devoted to protecting the world from the danger of married women working outside the home!
Wow - so she returned to blackmail Wonder Woman? Man!
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 20, 2016 21:09:00 GMT -5
Kill-Cat from The Deadly Duo.
So 17 year old Allan Williamson's origin involves a family business trip to South Africa with young Williamson's parents and their friend and business partner Biff. Williamson never trusted Biff - he was "Too handsome. Too smart. Too likeable". When Williamson's parents walk into a booby-trap during their stay, he accuses Biff of arranging their murder. Though Biff swears his innocence and even attempts to save the young man's life when he himself falls into a pit lined with spikes, Williamson doesn't buy it. Williamson is nursed back to health by an Indian tribe who imbue him enhanced strength and speed. Years later, he visits Biff presumably work alongside the man he still blames for his parents death. Biff is thrilled to see Allan and seems to have excused his earlier accusation as irrational anger. Secretly however, Williamson has "aligned myself with clever lawyers. Through a series of legal maneuvers I eased Biff out, forcing him to invest in a shady company. As Kill-Cat I busted them. When the dust settled, Biff had nothing." Eventually, Biff is driven to suicide "a broken man" and is ready to leap off a building to his death when Kill-Cat appears. When Biff begs him to explain why he's ruined his life and hounded him, Kill-Cat reveals his identity as "The son of the people you killed!" A stunned Biff once again swears that he had nothing to do with his parents death and backs away from Williamson only to fall to his death. There's only one question left remaining and it's asked years later by Kill-Cat's new sidekick Kid Avenger:
Kid Avenger: What finally convinced you that Biff really killed your parents?
Kill-Cat: What do you mean?
Kid Avenger: He never actually admitted it. They stepped into a booby trap in Africa. How do you know Biff really killed them? How do you know he wasn't innocent like he claimed?
A stunned, now adult Allan Williamson, freezes in place with a horrified expression on his face. After a long pause he speaks only to unleash what sounds like a nervous breakdown in verbal form.
Kill-Cat: Oh my God - you're right. I never even considered the possibility. I may have driven an innocent man to the grave! My whole life is a sham! What kind of monster am I!
Kid Avenger: I'm sorry. Look - he could still have been guilty. It's possible, I suppose. I mean -- you could have done the right thing.
Kill-Cat: No wait - this can still work. I'll re-dedicate myself to fighting crime and injustice! No innocent lives will, again, be taken!
Kid Avenger: There you go. That's the spirit!
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Post by String on Jul 21, 2016 12:06:33 GMT -5
Barry Allen Flash and Wally West Kid Flash Origins Both Identical, but happen two years apart ...  To me, that's silly (as I think about it) to think that lightning strikes twice on two different people?
This one bugged me too but the coincidence was actually addressed years and years later following the death of Barry Allen. It may have been in a Secret Origins issue or a Flash Special, I can't remember, it would have come out during the late 80's/early 90's, at any rate.
Anyhow, following Barry Allen's death and subsequent moving backwards throughout time (as seen during Crisis), we see that he eventually dissipated into pure energy and honed in on the moment in time posted above. In other words, that bolt was actually what was left of Barry Allen himself. Ordinarily, I don't like these sort of revelations especially ones that come so late in the game, but it doesn't really change anything and it does explain how such a fantastic coincidence could take place. Plus, there's a certain pathos in Barry Allen 1959 not recognizing the real significance of this event.
It may have been in Flash Secret Files and Origin #1. Waid expanded on Wally's origin in the 'Born to Run' story arc but I don't recall this being mentioned there (though I do remember this factoid which I thought was a nice touch of symmetry). But Barry and Wally aren't the only speedsters with odd origins. How about Jay Garrick, the original Flash who gained his powers after being knocked unconscious by the fumes of an 'experimental form of heavy water' and inhaling them overnight. What?  |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 21, 2016 16:16:38 GMT -5
This one bugged me too but the coincidence was actually addressed years and years later following the death of Barry Allen. It may have been in a Secret Origins issue or a Flash Special, I can't remember, it would have come out during the late 80's/early 90's, at any rate.
Anyhow, following Barry Allen's death and subsequent moving backwards throughout time (as seen during Crisis), we see that he eventually dissipated into pure energy and honed in on the moment in time posted above. In other words, that bolt was actually what was left of Barry Allen himself. Ordinarily, I don't like these sort of revelations especially ones that come so late in the game, but it doesn't really change anything and it does explain how such a fantastic coincidence could take place. Plus, there's a certain pathos in Barry Allen 1959 not recognizing the real significance of this event.
It may have been in Flash Secret Files and Origin #1. Waid expanded on Wally's origin in the 'Born to Run' story arc but I don't recall this being mentioned there (though I do remember this factoid which I thought was a nice touch of symmetry). I believe it was actually Secret Origins Annual #2 from 1988. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 21, 2016 17:44:17 GMT -5
It may have been in Flash Secret Files and Origin #1. Waid expanded on Wally's origin in the 'Born to Run' story arc but I don't recall this being mentioned there (though I do remember this factoid which I thought was a nice touch of symmetry). I believe it was actually Secret Origins Annual #2 from 1988. I never liked the similarity either. The need to tie everything together was something Roy Thomas introduced in the 60's and it's gone too far. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 21, 2016 19:17:47 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #1
Ok, I have not re-read the origin for many many years but this is what I remember and subsequent re-vamps don't count in my book
Reed Richards is perturbed that the Russians might beat us to the moon. So he asks his pal, a former jet pilot to help him steal a rocket ship and get there first.
Richards is a genius but he thinks a jet pilot would instantly know how to fly a rocket...and with no practice
If the U.S. government had a rocket ready for launching, than why was Richards in such a rush that he was willing to commit a crime to begin with?
And how the hell was it so easy to sneak in to Cape Canaveral and steal a multi-billion dollar rocket. Who was in charge of security? How many people got fired for allowing this breach occur?
And genius Reed Richards, besides enlisting his buddy the jet pilot, brings along his girlfriend and her kid brother? The two have absolutely no talent to help with this endeavor. If I was Sue and Johnny Storms father, I'd have beaten Richards to a pulp for endangering my children
Silliness Marvel-style is inaugurated with radiation giving you super powers
And then they crash land back on earth, destroying that multi-billion dollar rocket but no charges where levelled against them for their crime?
Huh? I don't care how elastic Reed became, he should have been tied up in court for years
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 21, 2016 21:06:43 GMT -5
Ha. Maybe The question should be which origin isn't silly.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 22, 2016 10:25:03 GMT -5
Ha. Maybe The question should be which origin isn't silly. Conan's!!! Big guy from the boondocks wants to see the big city. Adventure ensures. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 22, 2016 10:53:38 GMT -5
I wonder- Does Conan have an origin in the comics? The movie with Schwarzenegger has him become who he is when his family is killed.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 22, 2016 11:40:42 GMT -5
Ha. Maybe The question should be which origin isn't silly. The Punisher. A man's family is killed by the mob and he uses his considerable military skills to take revenge. Pretty straightforward, with no chemicals, radiation, mutation, or mysticism inolved whatsoever. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 22, 2016 12:24:30 GMT -5
I wonder- Does Conan have an origin in the comics? The movie with Schwarzenegger has him become who he is when his family is killed. Yeah, and the Momoa movie does the same. However there is no "origin" story for Conan. He was just a big lad who took his grandfather's stories about southern countries to heart, and wanted to sample all they had to offer. That's one of the things I like the most about the character : he's not a "chosen one", he doesn't have a great life mission to fulfill, he doesn't have any kind of superpower or magic sword. He's not after revenge for the people who might have killed his relatives. He's not out to topple an evil empire. He's just a guy with brawn and brains, with a strong will and a certain sense of innate morality. Everyman the barbarian! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 15:20:30 GMT -5
I wonder- Does Conan have an origin in the comics? The movie with Schwarzenegger has him become who he is when his family is killed. Yeah, and the Momoa movie does the same. However there is no "origin" story for Conan. He was just a big lad who took his grandfather's stories about southern countries to heart, and wanted to sample all they had to offer. That's one of the things I like the most about the character : he's not a "chosen one", he doesn't have a great life mission to fulfill, he doesn't have any kind of superpower or magic sword. He's not after revenge for the people who might have killed his relatives. He's not out to topple an evil empire. He's just a guy with brawn and brains, with a strong will and a certain sense of innate morality. Everyman the barbarian! The only origin Howard ever gave him...born on a battlefield... I know there is a mention of a grandfather or uncle who supposedly traveled outside Cimmerian lands and filled Conan's head with tales of adventure and wonder and spawned Conan's wanderlust, but I don't think that was from Howard, it was an accretion from a pastiche or comic story I believe-memories a little foggy on it. Busiek did a series of pseudo-origin stories in his run with a series of six, one-off issue between arcs forming an arc called born on the battlefield with art by Greg Ruth rather than Cary Nord. They cover Conan from birth to the battle of Venarium. That one is really good, as opposed to the Young Conan arc Marvel did starting in Conan the Barbarian #232 written by Michael Higgins with art by Ron Lim and Dan Adkins that ran for 9 issues and is fairly terrible. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 22, 2016 17:07:11 GMT -5
The only origin Howard ever gave him...born on a battlefield... I know there is a mention of a grandfather or uncle who supposedly traveled outside Cimmerian lands and filled Conan's head with tales of adventure and wonder and spawned Conan's wanderlust, but I don't think that was from Howard, it was an accretion from a pastiche or comic story I believe-memories a little foggy on it. Busiek did a series of pseudo-origin stories in his run with a series of six, one-off issue between arcs forming an arc called born on the battlefield with art by Greg Ruth rather than Cary Nord. They cover Conan from birth to the battle of Venarium. That one is really good, as opposed to the Young Conan arc Marvel did starting in Conan the Barbarian #232 written by Michael Higgins with art by Ron Lim and Dan Adkins that ran for 9 issues and is fairly terrible. -M That young Conan run was also (thankfully) retconned away by Roy Thomas! Regarding Conan's granddad, you're right : all that Howard said was that he had come north from the southern part of Cimmeria, because of a feud. That was used as the basis for the "grandpa tells stories" in the comics. Busiek's "born on the battlefield" was pretty cool, but I didn't care much for how Conan was already a major player at the time... even being an important actor at Cenaroum. But hey, if there's no magical destruction of the town, I'm not about to complain! The voyages of Conan's grandfather, as written by Tim Truman and drawn by Rich Corben, were oustanding. They had a great Weird Tales feel to them! |
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Post by foxley on Jul 22, 2016 18:45:53 GMT -5
Ha. Maybe The question should be which origin isn't silly. Batman. Boy sees his parents murdered, and devotes his life and fortune to training to be able fight criminals. |
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