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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 9:13:20 GMT -5
Probably worth mentioning that, around this time, in the pages of Justice League of America, we saw this story: depicting the Earth 2 Robin, grown up and having assumed Batman's mantle. This continuity has no bearing on that of the Teen Titans, and neither the writer, artist, nor editor were in any way involved with the Teen Titans, but it reaffirmed the popular idea that Robin was a junior Batman who would one day assume his legacy. We're still a long way from seeing a Dick Grayson devoted to the idea of assuming his own identity apart from Batman. That costume was one of the worst costumes I have ever seen. I hated it then & I hate it now. The E2 Robin's later costume was an improvement.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 8, 2016 15:01:22 GMT -5
Teen Titans #13 (February 1968) "The TT's Swingin' Christmas Carol!" writer: Bob Haney art: Nick Cardy grade: C The beginning of this issue offers a lot of hope after the last horrendous outing. We've got Nick Cardy back on pencils for this issue, as well as one hilarious opening: Unfortunately, that fun contrast between classic literature and hip teen lingo is nowehere to be found within the issue itself. While the Titans are spouting mod language with more regularity than before, there's no irony to be found in this -- it's just a loose retelling of A Christmas Carol with a skinflint junkyard owner, his sole employee with a crippled son, a partner in jail (not dead), and the Titans playing the ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future. Oh, and there are sci-fi gadget-wielding smugglers worked into the plot somehow too. ...because that makes sense. The only real fun to be had in this issue is with Cardy's art, which remains stunning and full of range: Beyond that, there's a whole lot that just makes no damn sense, like a hill of trash that, with the touch of a button, seems to magnetically pull the Titans toward it even though they aren't wearing any metal: and a story that can't possibly compare to the Dickens' original in terms of heart-felt moments and insights. It's really just a lame, LAME issue with impressive Cardy pencils and inks on it. Minor Details:Forget the meta thing that Haney is always doing which never stops feeling weird; look closely at what's going on here: Robin will replace the novel with an issue of Batman next panel, so you've got Robin reading Batman, Wonder Girl reading Wonder Woman, Aqualad reading Aquaman (and commenting on how the sidekick is his favorite part), and Kid Flash reading...Superman. Now there's a healthy self-esteem. Department of Aquatic Desperation:Even though a letter is published this month arguing that Aqualad doesn't get enough time on panel, he gets less to do than ever before in this issue that takes place in the middle of Winter. There's no unfrozen water to get into and, thus, Aqualad has nothing to do. Haney Desperation Level: N/A in a story that takes place during Christmas snowfallDepartment of Worrying About Wondy:The boy-craziness has been absent for several issues now, but I'm becoming increasingly concerned with how both Haney and Cardy enjoy depicting her as a sex object: Psst...Cardy! She's underage. Plot synopsis: More or less covered above
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Oct 9, 2016 23:18:31 GMT -5
Love these reviews! Are these early issues collected? I'd love to even get my hands on some readable issues as well. Thanks
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Post by shaxper on Oct 10, 2016 6:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 8:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 8:28:56 GMT -5
Great reviews by the way. When I was young and started collecting comics, my goal was to have a complete run of Teen Titans. I accomplished that goal and would read and re-read those comics often. Back when I first started collecting, those stories were great to me (keep in mind I was 10 or 11). They don't hold up now, however I do find them entertaining. The Cardy artwork is great, especially in the Christmas Carol themed issue. And that Wonder Girl redesign in issue 22 (I think), WOW!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 8:30:04 GMT -5
I'm getting the Silver Age Teen Titans Omnibus too. My LCS has already pre-ordered it for me and I will be getting when I can.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 10, 2016 8:55:50 GMT -5
Great reviews by the way. When I was young and started collecting comics, my goal was to have a complete run of Teen Titans. I accomplished that goal and would read and re-read those comics often. Back when I first started collecting, those stories were great to me (keep in mind I was 10 or 11). They don't hold up now, however I do find them entertaining. The Cardy artwork is great, especially in the Christmas Carol themed issue. And that Wonder Girl redesign in issue 22 (I think), WOW! I truly wish I'd had this book when I'd been eight or nine. I don't think I would have minded the silliness at all back then. But, encountering these as an adult, it's sort of my hope that writing these reviews will eliminate the need for anyone to track down an omnibus and read them Fortunately, the better stories aren't that far away. I remember enjoying the Mr. Jupiter era, and I loved the horror stuff that came after even more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 9:28:18 GMT -5
Great reviews by the way. When I was young and started collecting comics, my goal was to have a complete run of Teen Titans. I accomplished that goal and would read and re-read those comics often. Back when I first started collecting, those stories were great to me (keep in mind I was 10 or 11). They don't hold up now, however I do find them entertaining. The Cardy artwork is great, especially in the Christmas Carol themed issue. And that Wonder Girl redesign in issue 22 (I think), WOW! I truly wish I'd had this book when I'd been eight or nine. I don't think I would have minded the silliness at all back then. But, encountering these as an adult, it's sort of my hope that writing these reviews will eliminate the need for anyone to track down an omnibus and read them Fortunately, the better stories aren't that far away. I remember enjoying the Mr. Jupiter era, and I loved the horror stuff that came after even more. Absolutely! While the earlier stories have a charm of their own, the stories starting with #25 got more serious in tone. Wonder Girl takes on a more serious demeanor as do the others. I like the Mr. Jupiter uniform era, although the uniforms were drab. I did like seeing the Titans out of uniform, interacting like regular teenagers and dealing with social problems. The supernatural stories were so fun! Great, moody covers--the Scooby Titans, haha! A couple of issues you may like that featured the Titans in the early 70s are Brave and Bold 94 and 102. World's Finest 205 features the team with Superman. Lilith also appears in a Robin solo two-parter in Batman 241 (Kid Flash shows up briefly as well in 241)-242. I may pick up the omnibus just for nostalgic and light reading. Hope they do a second volume that will cover the rest of the series as well.
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Post by Farrar on Oct 10, 2016 9:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by Farrar on Oct 10, 2016 9:44:46 GMT -5
I truly wish I'd had this book when I'd been eight or nine. I don't think I would have minded the silliness at all back then. But, encountering these as an adult, it's sort of my hope that writing these reviews will eliminate the need for anyone to track down an omnibus and read them Fortunately, the better stories aren't that far away. I remember enjoying the Mr. Jupiter era, and I loved the horror stuff that came after even more. I was one who was 8 or 9 when first encountering these stories. I enjoyed them immensely and even then got a lot of the humor, and the art of course is incomparable. As an adult re-reading these early TT issues, I can better see and appreciate what Haney was trying to do. No, he wasn't interested in vaunted Marvel-like realism and a "shared universe" concept that DC would soon have to adopt. IMO Haney's TT and Metamorpho were the comic book equivalents of the Batman TV show--campy, over the top, lots of pop culture references, and satirical. Haney poked fun at not only the superhero genre (esp. in Metamorpho's case) but also, in the Titans' case, the generation gap was being examined/skewered.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 10, 2016 10:09:18 GMT -5
A couple of issues you may like that featured the Titans in the early 70s are Brave and Bold 94 and 102. World's Finest 205 features the team with Superman. Lilith also appears in a Robin solo two-parter in Batman 241 (Kid Flash shows up briefly as well in 241)-242. Thanks! I have some, but not all of these. There is a team-up with the Justice League that gets referenced in a much later Secret Origins story where, I think, the JLA gets possessed by aliens or something, and I've not yet figured out where that team-up originally occurred. Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 10:31:51 GMT -5
A couple of issues you may like that featured the Titans in the early 70s are Brave and Bold 94 and 102. World's Finest 205 features the team with Superman. Lilith also appears in a Robin solo two-parter in Batman 241 (Kid Flash shows up briefly as well in 241)-242. Thanks! I have some, but not all of these. There is a team-up with the Justice League that gets referenced in a much later Secret Origins story where, I think, the JLA gets possessed by aliens or something, and I've not yet figured out where that team-up originally occurred. Any ideas? Absolutely! That is Teen Titans 53 from 1978 and the final issue of the original run. The secret origin of the Teen Titans is revealed just as the Titans disband. I believe the Titans next appeared in Brave and Bold 149. Speedy shows up in World's Finest 251--he and Mal appear in Superman Family for an issue or two. Bumblebee too, I think. Wonder Girl appears in an issue of Adventure Comics then has a solo adventure in Wonder Woman 265-266, then The New Teen Titans hits the stands.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 10:36:20 GMT -5
Teen Titans #13 (February 1968) "The TT's Swingin' Christmas Carol!" writer: Bob Haney art: Nick Cardy grade: C The beginning of this issue offers a lot of hope after the last horrendous outing. We've got Nick Cardy back on pencils for this issue, as well as one hilarious opening: Department of Aquatic Desperation:Even though a letter is published this month arguing that Aqualad doesn't get enough time on panel, he gets less to do than ever before in this issue that takes place in the middle of Winter. There's no unfrozen water to get into and, thus, Aqualad has nothing to do. Haney Desperation Level: N/A in a story that takes place during Christmas snowfallI remember this issue vaguely and I do remember that panel and how ridiculous it was and I agree with you on that part. What you have written in the Department of Aquatic Desperation is one of the things that writers back then have a hard time dealing with Aqualad in the middle of winter and during the Christmas snowfall and that alone makes Aqualad pretty much useless and that's alone makes it impossible to incorporate that character in a story at that time. What they should had done is to make that member inactive in that story and that should be done in the first place. One of the many things that bothers me with the Teen Titans back then - why they didn't have a ROLL CALL on the front of every cover showing the readers who active and who isn't active just like the Justice League of America? That's would had done the trick back then. Great Reviews Shax ... I have been enjoying reading them!!!
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Post by shaxper on Oct 10, 2016 11:38:43 GMT -5
Thanks! I have some, but not all of these. There is a team-up with the Justice League that gets referenced in a much later Secret Origins story where, I think, the JLA gets possessed by aliens or something, and I've not yet figured out where that team-up originally occurred. Any ideas? Absolutely! That is Teen Titans 53 from 1978 and the final issue of the original run. The secret origin of the Teen Titans is revealed just as the Titans disband. I believe the Titans next appeared in Brave and Bold 149. Speedy shows up in World's Finest 251--he and Mal appear in Superman Family for an issue or two. Bumblebee too, I think. Wonder Girl appears in an issue of Adventure Comics then has a solo adventure in Wonder Woman 265-266, then The New Teen Titans hits the stands. THANK YOU!
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