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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 2, 2018 22:17:39 GMT -5
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MAL DUNCAN TODAY!
And I basically said the same thing you did - Such crap he didn't get a costume. I forgot he had a little thing with Lilith, though. That was pretty ballsy for 1970.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 2, 2018 23:00:10 GMT -5
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MAL DUNCAN TODAY! And I basically said the same thing you did - Such crap he didn't get a costume. He gets a modest one in the second Teen Titans volume and a more elaborate one a while after that: but neither are coming anytime soon. Yeah, I didn't remember that either. I'm wondering if editorial puts the breaks on it after this issue.
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Post by Cheswick on Mar 2, 2018 23:30:17 GMT -5
I liked Mal's short-lived tenure as the Guardian, during the revival of the series.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 2, 2018 23:40:34 GMT -5
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MAL DUNCAN TODAY! And I basically said the same thing you did - Such crap he didn't get a costume. He gets a modest one in the second Teen Titans volume and a more elaborate one a while after that: but neither are coming anytime soon. Yeah, I didn't remember that either. I'm wondering if editorial puts the breaks on it after this issue. He's have been better off without that one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 0:16:54 GMT -5
Mal's Costume here is got to be the most dullest Teen Titans Costume Ever ... I just have a problem with an all grey costume like this one below ... It's modest like shaxper said it is but I've wished they added more color and designed it better ... the belt and boots are decent looking but hardly outstanding ... and this one below ... what they are thinking!?!?! I've just don't understand this change at all ...
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 3, 2018 19:09:28 GMT -5
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MAL DUNCAN TODAY! And I basically said the same thing you did - Such crap he didn't get a costume. He gets a modest one in the second Teen Titans volume and a more elaborate one a while after that: but neither are coming anytime soon. Yeah, I didn't remember that either. I'm wondering if editorial puts the breaks on it after this issue. Odd. DC's various artists were very adept at creating costumes, yet Mal was always on the short end of the design benefits. I don't think I've ever spotted a Mal costume that was even adequate.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 4, 2018 0:58:59 GMT -5
Mal, as The Guardian, actually looked pretty good, with the added exo-skeleton. That Hornblower one, above, is a ret-con, from the Secret Origins Annual, where the "horn" was now a high tech gimmick, rather than a magical object. Mal was one of the first Titans I encountered, when I picked up issue #45 (before going into the hospital, for an operation), where he gets Garbiel's Horn. The title had just been revived.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 6:22:59 GMT -5
codystarbuck ... Thanks for posting (jarred my memory, here and there) that picture and that's my favorite costume for Mal.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 4, 2018 6:36:24 GMT -5
Mal, as The Guardian, actually looked pretty good, with the added exo-skeleton. I hadn't recalled this costume. From the '70s run? I knew he'd called himself The Guardian, but didn't realize he'd taken on THAT Guardian mantle.
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Post by Cheswick on Mar 4, 2018 7:42:43 GMT -5
Mal, as The Guardian, actually looked pretty good, with the added exo-skeleton. I hadn't recalled this costume. From the '70s run? I knew he'd called himself The Guardian, but didn't realize he'd taken on THAT Guardian mantle. Yeah, it was the 70s run. Initially, he only wore it for one issue before it was replaced by his worst costume ever (a fan design). Fortunately, that one only lasted one issue before he returned to the Guardian costume.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 4, 2018 11:16:24 GMT -5
I hadn't recalled this costume. From the '70s run? I knew he'd called himself The Guardian, but didn't realize he'd taken on THAT Guardian mantle. Yeah, it was the 70s run. Initially, he only wore it for one issue before it was replaced by his worst costume ever (a fan design). Fortunately, that one only lasted one issue before he returned to the Guardian costume. Which was a major problem at DC, at the time. There were a lot of changes for an issue or two, then back to the status quo.
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 5, 2018 2:50:32 GMT -5
Mal, as The Guardian, actually looked pretty good, with the added exo-skeleton. That Hornblower one, above, is a ret-con, from the Secret Origins Annual, where the "horn" was now a high tech gimmick, rather than a magical object. Mal was one of the first Titans I encountered, when I picked up issue #45 (before going into the hospital, for an operation), where he gets Garbiel's Horn. The title had just been revived. OK, I'm really going to derail things here, but let me explain why. The exo-skeleton (actually, a 'man-amplifier') was based upon an invention outlined in a 1965 issue of Popular Science. Here's a link to the relevant article: forums.spacebattles.com/threads/exoskeleton-being-developed-at-cornell-could-see-service-in-vietnam.359131/It inspired a Robin back-up story in Batman 192 (referenced in the second panel above) in which the Teen Wonder faced a guy using a similar device (which it seems, The Guardian is re-purposing here). I was just thinking about this thing two nights ago and looked into it and lo and behold, here's a post about what happened to it (in the DC Universe at least). Should I post this here - I mean, the Robin back-up (from 1967) isn't really Teen Titans related though it is a contemporary of these early tales - since the connection is somewhat tenuous? Hmm, let me look at that article before deciding. Tell me that's not Jim Shooter. Well, the picture of Jim Shooter wearing the man-amplifier probably isn't Jim Shooter since it was taken in 1961 when Shooter would have been 10, but if science can make a man-amplifier, then it can also probably make a 10 year old Jim Shooter look like a 20-something year old Jim Shooter. Still, why not post my own thread on the man-amplifier? Hmm, you know what, maybe I will. Let me read that article again. "I clonked around like a gorilla with this 35 pound jointed exo-skeleton hanging onto me. 'Why are you bent over like that?', said Neil Mizen the project engineer at Cornell Aeronautical Laboratory. I straightened up and discovered I could move freely, even though the exoskeleton didn't have quite as many joints as I did. It wasn't up to some of the intricacies of the frug, but it-" Wait a minute, what was that word again? You better believe that this going in this thread. I still don't know what 'frug' means, but it doesn't really sound any cleaner when used in Popular Science than in Teen Titans.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 5, 2018 7:26:14 GMT -5
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Post by MDG on Mar 5, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MAL DUNCAN TODAY! There's a phrase you don't see often--especially in all caps!
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Post by shaxper on Jul 20, 2018 14:10:35 GMT -5
Teen Titans #27 (June 1970) "Nightmare In Space!" Script: Bob Kanigher Pencils: George Tuska; Carmine Infantino (pp. 2-13, 19-21) Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Ben Oda grade: A Two issues into this new approach for the team, there is already a clear tension present. The letter column is full of wary responses from readers and assurances in reply that "...things ain't gonna be what they now seem", the cover attempts to suggest a sci-fi conflict that isn't present within (the aliens pictured on the cover literally show up for two peace-loving pages and appear to have been tacked on after the fact, having no bearing on the plot) and we have the first usage of that cover framing piece with the classic Teen Titans line-up in their familiar costumes, as if to assure readers that nothing has really changed. Kanigher will be off the title as of next issue, and the Titans will be back in costume, so I guess nothing really did. Which is too bad, as the story within is actually a really solid one. It's just neither a superhero nor high-fantasy science fiction adventure. We begin with a semi-meaningful conclusion to Mal's plight in the previous issue, stowing aboard an unmanned rocket to Jupiter in order to prove something to himself and to the world. It's a beautiful sentiment, especially coming from a black male in 1970 while the space program was still the ultimate dream for white kids everywhere. It is odd though that Mal is never reprimanded by anyone for taking this risk, whether the Titans (though they do ostracize and practically cast out Lilith for not stopping him?) or the space program itself, which launches what must be a multi-million dollar program to rescue him. However, gone is any suggestion of a romantic connection between Mal and Lilith. Perhaps that was too progressive for the pages of a DC comic? Instead, all worrying about Mal is transplanted onto Wondergirl for some odd reason while Lilith is inexplicably less concerned all of the sudden. Man, that artwork is gorgeous. I just wish it made sense. I think my favorite part about the Mal portion of this story is when Wondergirl goes to comfort Mal's little sister. It's a stunning moment you don't normally get in a superhero comic of the time period. But the second half of the story, in which the rescue is launched, is straight science fact. It's pretty astonishing how technical the story is and how much attention is given to the actual technicalities of space flight. Every tension that enters the story from this point forward is a legitimate risk of space travel, from plotting trajectories correctly, to oxygen deprivation-induced madness, to the sheer emotional and psychological repercussions of being on the moon. Wondergirl feels overwhelming loneliness, Dove fears he will lose his mind, and even Hawk pauses to take it in a bit. It's a really really well done space adventure; sci-fi in the classiest of ways. But it isn't a Teen Titans adventure, nor a superhero story in any respect, and clearly this foray into new genres, no matter how well done, wasn't getting the reception DC had hoped for. Worth Noting:- This is now the second time the Post-Mr. Jupiter Titans team is referred to as "The New Titans." That's going to be a little confusing in another ten years. - The Titans line-up on the cover is completely inaccurate. Lack of costumes aside, Robin appears nowhere in this story and is no longer on the team (for the moment). Meanwhile, Hawk, Dove, Lilith and Mal ARE on the team. - We are provided with a two page recap, midway into this issue, for any readers who may have missed the big shake-up in issue #25: There are three interesting things to note in this recap. 1. It is now clearly stated that the Titans CAUSED the death of Dr. Swenson, accidentally pointing the gunman's gun at the victim while trying to wrestle it away. That was not clear in #25. 2. It is now Mr. Jupiter's idea for the Titans to discard their powers and costumes. This was not the case in the actual story. 3. Even in spite of these other revisions, the second page of recaps explicitly makes it clear once again that Mal doesn't get a costume or identity until he feels he has proven himself. - This issue features a one page back-up of single panel space gags. Another effort to make this book appeal to an older readership that preferred magazines to comics, perhaps? Plot synopsis: The Titans lead a daring rescue mission to retrieve Mal. They do. Meanwhile, they run into some peaceful aliens on the moon who have nothing to do with anything, and we are teased about an upcoming story as a girl stumbled upon two shadowy figures who are apparently in the process of doing something horrific.
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