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Post by shaxper on Feb 7, 2019 22:05:31 GMT -5
Wow. Page 50.
I really appreciate everyone who has commented and replied to these reviews. Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:13:43 GMT -5
Haney never cared about continuity in any of his stories. he was concerned about the hook of the current tale and little else, apart from deadline. In some ways that was refreshing, especially when youare young or not steeped in continuity. In others, it is frustrating if you are the reverse. I don't recall seeing this story (though I have scans of all of the Brave & the Bold issues. I have no dog in the hunt, as far as quality, though Aparo makes anything at least nice to look at. My bating average with Haney is better than some; so, i tend to cut him some slack. At hsi point and time and just before, I'd say the Legion writers were the only ones who got the teen aspect (though the Legion always felt more like adults, in the Bronze Age), which is probably why it weathered ths period better than most, leading to its greatest period. I always considered Brave & the Bold stories to exist in their own little world, anyway. Pretty much the same with World's Finest, Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One. Yeah, they were occasionally referenced elsewhere (more the Marvel books); but, more often than not, they were their own little sideshow, where what happened there stayed there. I agree with you 100% about Haney and that's why he is a great storyteller and more importantly he made it real and like you said refreshing and that the beauty of his Teen Titans stuff that he has written. The team of Haney and Aparo has been consistently good and that's why I enjoy over 70 percent of his stories. You are right about the Brave & Bold, along with Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One and those stories were excellent and has their own little world and what happened there -- stay there and that the beauty of these stories. Thanks for sharing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:29:22 GMT -5
I always considered Brave & the Bold stories to exist in their own little world, anyway. Pretty much the same with World's Finest, Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One. Yeah, they were occasionally referenced elsewhere (more the Marvel books); but, more often than not, they were their own little sideshow, where what happened there stayed there. All some of my favorite books. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 7, 2019 22:58:11 GMT -5
I generally ranked Haney Brave and the Bold stories with the Titans higher than actual Titans stories. Not quite sure why this is, but he definitely gave those stories a more serious tone and more substantial themes. Maybe he was writing to a different demographic with Brave and the Bold than the 12 year olds he envisioned reading Teen Titans. Anyway, his previous B&tB stories earned the following grades from me: Brave and the Bold #83 A+ Brave and the Bold #94 C Brave and the Bold #102 A- |
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 7, 2019 23:14:15 GMT -5
Pretty much the same with World's Finest, Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One. Yeah, they were occasionally referenced elsewhere (more the Marvel books); but, more often than not, they were their own little sideshow, where what happened there stayed there. Yeah, Marvel Team-Up was the title that really tried to respect and weave continuity with Amazing Spider-Man, at least in the early years of the title. |
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Post by spoon on Feb 8, 2019 0:25:24 GMT -5
Haney never cared about continuity in any of his stories. he was concerned about the hook of the current tale and little else, apart from deadline. In some ways that was refreshing, especially when youare young or not steeped in continuity. In others, it is frustrating if you are the reverse. I don't recall seeing this story (though I have scans of all of the Brave & the Bold issues. I have no dog in the hunt, as far as quality, though Aparo makes anything at least nice to look at. My bating average with Haney is better than some; so, i tend to cut him some slack. At hsi point and time and just before, I'd say the Legion writers were the only ones who got the teen aspect (though the Legion always felt more like adults, in the Bronze Age), which is probably why it weathered ths period better than most, leading to its greatest period. I always considered Brave & the Bold stories to exist in their own little world, anyway. Pretty much the same with World's Finest, Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One. Yeah, they were occasionally referenced elsewhere (more the Marvel books); but, more often than not, they were their own little sideshow, where what happened there stayed there. The Official Crisis on Infinite Earths Index actually placed Brave & the Bold stories on a different Earth, designated Earth-B. Looking it up just now, it appears Bob Rozakis came up with the Earth-B concept. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 8, 2019 0:41:07 GMT -5
Haney never cared about continuity in any of his stories. he was concerned about the hook of the current tale and little else, apart from deadline. In some ways that was refreshing, especially when youare young or not steeped in continuity. In others, it is frustrating if you are the reverse. I don't recall seeing this story (though I have scans of all of the Brave & the Bold issues. I have no dog in the hunt, as far as quality, though Aparo makes anything at least nice to look at. My bating average with Haney is better than some; so, i tend to cut him some slack. At hsi point and time and just before, I'd say the Legion writers were the only ones who got the teen aspect (though the Legion always felt more like adults, in the Bronze Age), which is probably why it weathered ths period better than most, leading to its greatest period. I always considered Brave & the Bold stories to exist in their own little world, anyway. Pretty much the same with World's Finest, Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-in-One. Yeah, they were occasionally referenced elsewhere (more the Marvel books); but, more often than not, they were their own little sideshow, where what happened there stayed there. The Official Crisis on Infinite Earths Index actually placed Brave & the Bold stories on a different Earth, designated Earth-B. Looking it up just now, it appears Bob Rozakis came up with the Earth-B concept. Earth B was pretty much the answer for anything that didn't fit regular continuity or established parallel worlds; mostly, things like the licensed books, humor titles, etc. Binky, Sugar n Spike, etc were all Earth B, per Rozakis. Fans have dubbed Haney's BATB and World's Finest stories as occurring on "Earth Haney." |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 8, 2019 5:16:43 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #265-266 (March thru April 1980)   "Mr. Jupiter Is Dead!" / "The Perfect Crime" Script: E. Nelson Bridwell Pencils: Ric Estrada Inks: John Calnan Colors: Jerry Serpe Letters: Milt Snapinn Editing: Len Wein Grade: A- A full year after the last aborted attempt to give Wonder Girl a solo feature (which got turfed in Adventure Comics #461, thanks to the DC Implosion), E. Nelson Bridwell gives it a second try as a B feature in Wonder Woman (note: Wonder Girl last appeared in this title 15 years earlier in Wonder Woman #158!). Chris had speculated earlier on that Bridwell was passionate about bringing the Teen Titans back. While there are precious few nods to the team itself in this story (and absolutely none to anything Rozakis did with the team), Bridwell certainly writes the best Donna Troy we've yet seen, kicking serious butt and taking names:   ultimately rescuing the former mentor to the Titans, Loren Jupiter, who was last mentioned in passing four years earlier in Teen Titans #44 as having "closed shop" when Bob Rozakis clearly didn't want him attached to the Titans property anymore. The "closed shop" thing never gets explained here, but now Mr. Jupiter is back. Hard to say where Bridwell was trying to go with this story. Was he setting up an ongoing backup feature in which a post-Titans Wonder Girl works for/with Mr. Jupiter, or was he laying the groundwork for a bigger return to the pre-Rozakis Titans with Mr. Jupiter at the helm? Maybe this was more of a "whatever happened to Mr. Jupiter?" one shot exploration. Whatever the case, a new approach to the Teen Titans is only seven months away at this point, so all of this is about to become moot. Important Details:- First appearance of Mr. Jupiter since 1976. I believe this is his final appearance in Pre-Crisis continuity. - Donna and Diana do not interact nor appear together in this story. Adventure Comics #461 seems to remain the only time they interact as clearly separate/distinct characters in Pre-Crisis continuity. (see In Search of a True First Appearance for Donna Troy for more on why) Minor Details:- This is just creepy  I'm guessing the point was to show that Donna had proven herself and that she was the one with the status/power now that she'd saved Mr. Jupiter, but the sexual tension implied is...uncomfortable. I mean, is it just me, or does it look like Calnan added shorts under that skimpy robe after the fact? Damn, Estrada. She's still a TEEN Titan. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 8, 2019 5:28:43 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, there are no further Titans appearances prior to New Teen Titans #1, but there are still two special reviews coming in this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 9:38:27 GMT -5
I thought Mr. Jupiter is still alive in the Comic Books and this came to me by surprise. Back then, I did not read much Wonder Woman, I read more Golden Age Stories of Wonder Woman back then and only read 50-100 stories each in the Silver and Bronze Ages.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 8, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -5
I thought Mr. Jupiter is still alive in the Comic Books Oh he doesn't die. That's just the story title. He isn't seen again until after the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot though (as far as I can tell). I'm pretty sure his next appearance is in 1989, in the next comic I will be reviewing. That's right...we're about to go Post-Crisis discussing the original Teen Titans  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 11:37:25 GMT -5
I thought Mr. Jupiter is still alive in the Comic Books Oh he doesn't die. That's just the story title. He isn't seen again after this until after the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot though (as far as I can tell). I'm pretty sure his next appearance is in 1989, in the next comic I will be reviewing. That's right...we're about to go Post-Crisis discussing the original Teen Titans Thanks for this info. I learned something new today.  |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 8, 2019 11:43:31 GMT -5
Thanks for this info. I learned something new today. That's what we do here  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 8, 2019 13:51:07 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that Wonder Girl would go into action with that huge pendant thumping against her chest all of the time.
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Post by rberman on Feb 8, 2019 13:53:42 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that Wonder Girl would go into action with that huge pendant thumping against her chest all of the time. Or those heels |
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