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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 3, 2016 14:44:40 GMT -5
Doctor Fate, Black Panther, Tom Strong,......there's probably dozens of characters out there that fit in this thread of a similar quality
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 3, 2016 15:12:30 GMT -5
I'm with you on Black Panther and Tom Strong, but Dr Fate ? Are you familiar with Fate ? I didn't mind Jared, but lots of people did. You have to admit, it was a pretty radical difference from classic Kent Nelson.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 3, 2016 15:16:03 GMT -5
The question, almost of necessity, doesn't allow for creator owned characters or characters that aren't at least a couple of decades old. I'm a big Jonah Hex fan, but Hex and the last volume of All-Star Western are both problematic. Those were fine, but the OP included other media in the Ticks track record...
Has anyone here besides me seen the movie ? It was more in line with the Jonah Hex Vertigo series of mini-series with Tim Truman on art, but I liked it.
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 3, 2016 20:51:38 GMT -5
I'm with you on Black Panther and Tom Strong, but Dr Fate ? Are you familiar with Fate ? I didn't mind Jared, but lots of people did. You have to admit, it was a pretty radical difference from classic Kent Nelson. Fate and Book Of Fate were too radicallly different for me to even aknowledge it as the same Doctor Fate that's been a moderate staple of DC since it's inception. Lots of people feel the same in regards to Silver Sacrab and I think Fate was a valiant idea that was too heavily steeped in "90's edge" for it's own good
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 3, 2016 21:10:31 GMT -5
I think certain characters will benefit from the recognition that they work best within a certain mileau. Those who have been around for decades as pointed out, will likely be hurt the most through cross contamination with other genres. I love Batman as a figure inspired by the pulps; a colorful daytime crusader; an avuncular alien fighting good guy; mysterious creature of the shadows; but things started heading south for the guy after his first half century. Still, he had a pretty good run before then especially given how cavalier a lot of writers were with where the character got to go.
Professor Hugo Strange
md62's review of Detective Comics 469-479 covered the return of Strange after an absence of some 37 years from the texts. I guess it's easy to have a pretty good score card when you get to take such lengthy breaks, but I've been impressed with this character's performances whenever they occur. Here's a guy who has probably appeared in about 10 storylines since 1940 and yet almost everyone of those tales is recalled as a classic. Those early Golden Age tales with Batman up against his Man Monster creations typify the era readers applauded later writers for going back to. The Englehart/Rogers 'Strange Apparitions' run has been celebrated since it ended and Hugo was the link which ran through it.
Doug Moench's Prey is often cited as the best storyline Legends of the Dark Knight had during it's 200 issue or so run.
Moench would also utilize the character in the 1986 Batman Annual which featured the most original method I've ever seen of handling a super villain whose discovered your identity. Simply tell the police that "yes, this enemy of mine did learn who I am so I hypnotized him into thinking I was someone else - in this case, my friend Bruce Wayne".
Alan Brennert is the best unknown Batman writer there has ever been (author of 'To Kill a Legend') and his little known masterpiece Interlude on Earth 2 utilizes Strange as a physically broken old man whose unique motivation in this issue of Brave and the Bold 182 was 'suicide by superhero'.
Though I'm no fan of what the main titles did with Batman during the period, I found Devin Grayson's four issue Gotham Knights storyline to be the exception to the rule and yes, you guessed it, it featured the return of Hugo Strange after an absence of 10 years. I know it's not well known and it might just seem that at this point, I'm simply equating 'Any comic with Hugo Strange in it' with 'MASTERPIECE' and... well, actually yeah, I sort of am. Knowing that Hugo Strange is on the verge of confirming his true identity, Bruce Wayne takes the extraordinary measure of using self-hypnosis to forget that he has anything to do with Batman and truly becomes the simpering, useless playboy he had previously only pretended to be. It's one of those plans where for it to work, he can't confide in anyone who Strange might be observing. He just has to count on Dick Grayson unwittingly giving the secret code at the appropriate time and hope that the message the code is hidden in means enough to him to recite it when all looks lost. In other words, it's one of those stories where Batman loses everything before claiming victory. Not sure if I did it justice, but I do know that when Grant Morrison used the same idea during his later run, he was lauded as a brilliant visionary.
Not to say that Hugo Strange has a perfect score card - Moench's sequel to Prey was a great disappointment - but if you ever wanted to create your own collection of Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told, you could play it safe by simply tracking down every appearance of this friendly fellow.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 3, 2016 22:00:03 GMT -5
md62 you are absolutely correct !
This character never disappoints and I think would translate extremely well to tv or movies.
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Post by earl on Aug 3, 2016 22:45:05 GMT -5
Matt Wagner's Batman and the Monster Men is also a pretty good Hugo Strange story.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 4, 2016 10:20:59 GMT -5
Those were fine, but the OP included other media in the Ticks track record...
Has anyone here besides me seen the movie ? It was more in line with the Jonah Hex Vertigo series of mini-series with Tim Truman on art, but I liked it. I loved the Vertigo mini-series and I could tell that the film makers were going for that "weird west" vibe from the trailers (some of Hex's early appearances in Weird Western Tales also had a slightly "weird west" bent to them, by the way). But no, I haven't seen the film. I was moaning like anything about the trailers when they came out and then, when it was released, the reviews and word of mouth among the fan community made me think that I was absolutely right to avoid it.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 4, 2016 10:25:14 GMT -5
That's what I mean : sometimes negative buzz isn't all that deserved.
The last Fantastic Four movie wasn't bad up until the mindless battle with Doom in another dimension. That wrecked the whole movie, but, before that horrible sequence it wasn't bad.
Same thing here. I see where people would think it's not traditional Clint Eastwood-style Jonah Hex, but, if you liked the Vertigo minis, you should try this. It was mostly western but there was a little supernatural vibe in an animated sequence.
Give it a gander. I'll be interested to hear your take on it, Confessor.
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