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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 23:32:53 GMT -5
I’d love to see some stories about Decker and Ilia. Now that we’ve seen a huge portion of Riker and Troy’s story, show me some stories about the inspirations. While we’re at, I want some more follow up on V’ger. Was it an earlier version of the Borg that aided V’ger? What kind of life form was birthed at the end of the film? I’m incredibly surprised that they’ve not tried to.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2021 23:43:58 GMT -5
I’d love to see some stories about Decker and Ilia. Now that we’ve seen a huge portion of Riker and Troy’s story, show me some stories about the inspirations. While we’re at, I want some more follow up on V’ger. Was it an earlier version of the Borg that aided V’ger? What kind of life form was birthed at the end of the film? I’m incredibly surprised that they’ve not tried to. Trek seemed to have moved on from the motion picture at warp speed and never looked back, which is fine with me, as I felt it was a near-perfect film by itself and didn't really need a follow-up. But yes, having Decker/V'Ger suddenly show up on an episode of Next Gen would have been cool. Didn't they publish the unproduced scripts and synopses for Star Trek: Phase II? I never cared enough to check it out, but it would satisfy your Decker and Ilia fix. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 23:54:00 GMT -5
I’ve got that Phase II book and HAVE got to crack it open one of these days. I have three or four other Making-Of type books on Trek that I also need to get to. My big fascination with the franchise lately has been all the unmade movies, and different versions of the ones that got made.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 1, 2021 9:20:44 GMT -5
There's a whole subgenre of YouTube videos that involve switching the title sequences and theme songs of various TV shows, but I only recently saw these re-edited ones with various iterations of Star Trek:
And my two favorites:
The Next Gen casting is particularly spot-on...
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Post by Confessor on Oct 3, 2021 6:08:54 GMT -5
Shamelessly re-posting this book review from the All-Purpose Book Review Thread... Star Trek: The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry.  Another sci-fi re-read for me. I first read this novelization back when I was in Secondary School in the late '80s. The book is arguably most notable for being the only Star Trek fiction novel written by Gene Roddenberry himself (and yes, it was actually written by him, not by a ghost writer). Myself, I've always really liked Star Trek: The Motion Picture and this novelization is a pretty faithful adaptation of the film's screenplay. That said, the book does allow Roddenberry to explore some of the central characters' motivations in much greater detail and add additional layers of subtext that weren't examined in the movie. There's Kirk's dissatisfaction at being promoted to Admiral, for example, and the psychology behind his combative relationship with executive officer Will Decker, and his almost obsessive desire to reclaim the Enterprise. We also learn a bit more about Decker and Lieutenant Ilia's relationship before they reunited aboard the Enterprise. On a related subject, the book is a bit more sexual in nature than the film – possibly because it was being written for an adult sci-fi reading audience, perhaps? For instance, we are privy to Kirk's own libidinous thoughts concerning Ilia, and Roddenberry also sees fit to have Decker and the Ilia Probe engage in a sexual encounter. I'm not sure that these more X-rated additions really add much to our understanding of the characters and they definitely feel out of place in the world of Star Trek. Overall, the novelization is a fairly fast read and is well written. It amply demonstrates what a skilled sci-fi writer Roddenberry was, as he deftly weaves together believable, three-dimensional characterisation, with exciting peril and vivid descriptions of breathtaking galactic beauty. I know that it's not everybody's favourite Star Trek movie – and rest assured that this book will not change your mind about the merits (or lack thereof) of Star Trek: The Motion Picture at all. But if you are already a fan of the film, you will enjoy this book a lot. Myself, I maintain that The Motion Picture is the Star Trek film that adheres closest to the spirit of the original TV series and it's also the one with the biggest philosophical heart. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 3, 2021 7:00:24 GMT -5
I'm also in the "likes TMP" camp.
And needless to say, I totally disagree with the supposedly "common belief" among Trekkies that only the even-numbered Trek movies are good.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 3, 2021 10:01:37 GMT -5
Star Trek the Motion Picture gave proof to Trek being THE BEST SCI-FI television show ever. The movie provided a big budget that allowed for amazing sets and effects that enhanced the story, giving fans a very immersive experience. It also made us fans happier than Data with his emotion chip!
Yes it is long and slow and slight on the action. But it's also beautiful, emotional and intellectual and gloriously fun to see the Enterprise crew reunited, alive and well adventuring boldly on the big screen! I can rewatch Scotty introducing Kirk to the new and improved Love of their lives anytime. Hearing and seeing reinvented Klingon's that truly looked and felt like scary alien adversaries was a thrill that got even better in later movies and the new television shows. Adding Decker as a true connect with respect and acknowledgement that TOS was "real" and canon.
Yeah, I will ALWAYS defend STTMP...
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Post by Confessor on Oct 3, 2021 15:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 3, 2021 17:58:19 GMT -5
Star Trek the Motion Picture gave proof to Trek being THE BEST SCI-FI television show ever. The movie provided a big budget that allowed for amazing sets and effects that enhanced the story, giving fans a very immersive experience. It also made us fans happier than Data with his emotion chip! Yes it is long and slow and slight on the action. But it's also beautiful, emotional and intellectual and gloriously fun to see the Enterprise crew reunited, alive and well adventuring boldly on the big screen! I can rewatch Scotty introducing Kirk to the new and improved Love of their lives anytime. Hearing and seeing reinvented Klingon's that truly looked and felt like scary alien adversaries was a thrill that got even better in later movies and the new television shows. Adding Decker as a true connect with respect and acknowledgement that TOS was "real" and canon. Yeah, I will ALWAYS defend STTMP... The opening scenes with the Klingons remains one of my favourite ST sequences ever. The ships look great, the redesigned Klingons look great, and the musical theme is downright brilliant. The film itself is much more serious than most space operas. There are morally ambiguous themes in there that we never saw in any other ST film (Kirk is acting insecure due to Decker's competence) and while it is not as blood-pumping as an action-oriented film like The Wrath of Khan, it was a fine, fine ST story. My only gripe is that it was based on the plot of The Changeling, thus hurting the element of surprise... but newcomers to the franchise wouldn't have known that. Loved the film, loved the novel. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 4, 2021 0:30:51 GMT -5
Shamelessly re-posting this book review from the All-Purpose Book Review Thread... Star Trek: The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry. Another sci-fi re-read for me. I first read this novelization back when I was in Secondary School in the late '80s. The book is arguably most notable for being the only Star Trek fiction novel written by Gene Roddenberry himself (and yes, it was actually written by him, not by a ghost writer). Myself, I've always really liked Star Trek: The Motion Picture and this novelization is a pretty faithful adaptation of the film's screenplay. That said, the book does allow Roddenberry to explore some of the central characters' motivations in much greater detail and add additional layers of subtext that weren't examined in the movie. There's Kirk's dissatisfaction at being promoted to Admiral, for example, and the psychology behind his combative relationship with executive officer Will Decker, and his almost obsessive desire to reclaim the Enterprise. We also learn a bit more about Decker and Lieutenant Ilia's relationship before they reunited aboard the Enterprise. On a related subject, the book is a bit more sexual in nature than the film – possibly because it was being written for an adult sci-fi reading audience, perhaps? For instance, we are privy to Kirk's own libidinous thoughts concerning Ilia, and Roddenberry also sees fit to have Decker and the Ilia Probe engage in a sexual encounter. I'm not sure that these more X-rated additions really add much to our understanding of the characters and they definitely feel out of place in the world of Star Trek. Overall, the novelization is a fairly fast read and is well written. It amply demonstrates what a skilled sci-fi writer Roddenberry was, as he deftly weaves together believable, three-dimensional characterisation, with exciting peril and vivid descriptions of breathtaking galactic beauty. I know that it's not everybody's favourite Star Trek movie – and rest assured that this book will not change your mind about the merits (or lack thereof) of Star Trek: The Motion Picture at all. But if you are already a fan of the film, you will enjoy this book a lot. Myself, I maintain that The Motion Picture is the Star Trek film that adheres closest to the spirit of the original TV series and it's also the one with the biggest philosophical heart.
I haven't seen it since it first came out but it's a movie whose stature has kind of grown in my memory over the years. I agree that of all the Star Trek films, it's the one that's closest to the spirit of the tv series.
I don't think I knew about this novelisation written by Roddenberry himself - that alone is reason enough for me to read it, which I think I'll try to do before watching the movie again.
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Post by Chris on Nov 25, 2021 14:04:15 GMT -5
Apologies if this was posted somewhere already. I'm sure many of you remember Data's attempt at humor But you may have wondered how the rest of the joke went. The internet come to the rescue again. Some years ago, I discovered this page, which has fans supplying their ideas for the rest of the joke. You can read them here, a few are funny, but the one that is far and away the winner is the one by user NATHMMM. If you don't want to go to the page, here it is, in all it's amazing splendor. {Spoiler}Data: "A monk, a clone, and a Ferengi decide to go bowling together. In the first frame, the Ferengi bowls the ball down the lane and knocks down the 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, and 10 pins. He gets his ball back and knocks the 3, 6, and 7 pins down.
"In the second frame, the Ferengi knocks down the 4 and 10 pins. On his next throw he knocks the 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 pins down.
"In the third frame, the Ferengi knocks down the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 pins. Then he succeeds in knocking down the 9 and 10 pins.
"In the fourth frame, the Ferengi knocks down the 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9 pins with his first roll. He then knocks down the 1, 7, and 10 pins.
"In the fifth frame, the Ferengi knocks down--"
Guinan: "Uh, Data, maybe you should skip to the punch line?"
Data: (a bit taken aback) "I could omit the fifth through ninth frames if you would like me to do so. However, I believe that the joke will lose much of its impact."
Guinan: "I'm willing to risk that."
Data: "Very well." (takes a moment to skip ahead) "In the tenth frame the Ferengi's first throw knocked down the 6, 9, and 10 pins. His second throw knocked down the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 pins. He then began to gyrate and exclaim in a celebratory manner.
"'Why are you behaving in such an excited manner?' the clone inquired.
"'Because all the changed spares I have been picking up have made me richer than I was before the game started!' the Ferengi said!" (grins widely)
Guinan: "Um, okay . . ."
Data: "Would you like me to explain it to you? There is an old Earth expression, 'spare change', that refers to--"
Guinan: "Uh, no, that's fine, I think I almost got it. Tell me, Data, what was the point of including the monk in the joke?"
Data: "My research indicates that, in jokes involving 3 individuals who enter a place simultaneously, it is often traditional for at least one of them to have a religious profession. I suspect that this may enhance the humor of the joke. Did it enhance the humor of this joke for you?"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 16:39:24 GMT -5
Not sure if the U.S. has parallel numbering as far as the Star Trek magazines are concerned, but here in the UK, and I believe it’s out now, the magazine has rebooted itself. It’s now called Star Trek Explorer:  |
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Post by spoon on Dec 8, 2021 17:19:25 GMT -5
There's a whole subgenre of YouTube videos that involve switching the title sequences and theme songs of various TV shows, but I only recently saw these re-edited ones with various iterations of Star Trek: And my two favorites: The Next Gen casting is particularly spot-on... I've been aware of the Dallas/TNG mashup for a while & really like it. This is the first time I've seen the A-Team/TNG mashup. I love how the theme ramps up right when Riker plays the trombone. And Barclay as Murdoch is the obvious choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 15:49:07 GMT -5
This question was posed in the new STAR TREK EXPLORER magazine:
Any thoughts?
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 25, 2021 19:39:49 GMT -5
This question was posed in the new STAR TREK EXPLORER magazine: Any thoughts? No rehabilitaton in my mind. Still seems like a potentially good idea ruined by some godawful writing and, witn a few exceptions, weak casting. Actually, perhaps just one exceotion, as off the top of my head I can' t recall anyone I liked other than the female Vulcan, T'Pol. And even she had to work against the writing most of the time. |
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