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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 15, 2016 15:46:52 GMT -5
I loved all the '70s horror comics, even when they weren't very good. I grew up obsessed with the Universal movie monsters so I was totally on board when Marvel went after that audience. I had complete runs of Tomb of Dracula, Werewolf By Night, Frankenstein, Fear, Man-Thing, and Supernatural Thrillers back in the day, plus the Golem and Brother Voodoo issues of Strange Tales and the Man-Wolf run in Creatures On The Loose. I also had the 10-issue Wein/Wrightson Swamp Thing run, which I've since swapped out for a TPB signed by Len and Berni at different Emerald City Cons. I didn't buy the Marvel black and whites at the time but have since become a rabid convert. Gerber's Zombie is one of the greatest runs ever. I didn't buy a lot of the horror anthologies from DC or Charlton but the former always had good art and the latter had Steve Ditko and Tom Sutton so it was never a waste when I did. I never saw any Warren titles before I was in college. I like the issues of Creepy and Eerie edited by Archie Goodwin I've seen but never got into Vampirella. None of these comics ever scared me, by the way. The first comic to do that was the Blackriver Recorporations storyline in Alan Moore's Saga of the Swamp Thing. "Down Among the Dead Men" in Annual #2 still gives me chills. Gene Colan is my favorite horror artist (my favorite comic artist, period), with Wrightson, Sutton, Mike Ploog, and the Bissette/Totleben team closely bunched behind.
Cei-U! I summon the groovy goodies!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 15, 2016 21:04:37 GMT -5
Not trying to be snarky or troll-ish, but were any of these horror titles actually scary? I would read issues of DC's Unexpected, House of Mystery or Witching Hour as a kid, and they never once scared me. I could happily read those comics late at night, with the closet door open -- no problem. I'm not familiar with Marvel's horror characters at all, apart from the occasions when Dracula or the Frankenstein Monster would team-up with or against Spider-Man. But I wonder if any of these '70s horror revival books were genuinely scary for kids back in the day? I wouldn't think so, and my kid sister was always annoyed by blurbs that said "Do you dare read this comic?", thinking the question pretty ridiculous. As a kid, I was almost never scared by anything I read (apart from Robert Howard's Pigeons from Hell and its stairwell scene). However, I don't think I was the only one to appreciate the ambience of a good horror story, which many of the mystery and horror mags managed to convey quite well. The cover of Witching Hour #1, for example... Wow! What a mood setter!
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Post by berkley on Aug 16, 2016 1:47:49 GMT -5
Without really thinking about it in those terms at the time, I suppose I was already a horror fan by the time the horror wave hit American comics in the early 70s. Like most young kids I was drawn to old spooky movies on tv; I also loved (and was often terrified by) Rod Serling's Night Gallery, and had already read a fair bit of Edgar Allan Poe (i.e. more than one short story collection), an abridged edition of Stoker's Dracula, an HP Lovecraft book (The Shadow Over Innsmouth was in it, I recall), and an Edward Gorey illustrated anthology called Hauntings: Tales of the Supernatural that I still think might be the best I ever read.
So I was totally primed for this kind of thing when Marvel's Tomb of Dracula came on the stands, though I didn't see it until the 2nd issue. Werewolf by Night also fascinated me: I even remember day-dreaming about having a statue of the werewolf in my library when I grew up and had my own house (he was turned into a statue in one of the early Ploog issues). I devoured the Dracula Lives magazine when I could find it (Dracula was an early obsession for a few years after reading the Stoker novel). The Wein/Wrightson Swamp Thing, and an early issue or two of the Steve Gerber Man-Thing.
But for one reason or another I stopped buying and reading comics for 2 or 3 years shortly after this. Luckily, when I came back a few of these series were still going - ToD was only up to around issue 36 when I came back to it, for example, with the best yet to come. But I had missed the peak years and a lot of the best series were very short-lived.
I have to agree with Confessor, though: the comics, much as I loved them, never terrified me in the way Night Gallery and some of the movies did; ToD never scared me the way Stoker's book had done. But I think this might be something intrinsic to comics as a medium: the reader of a comic is much more in control than the passive viewer of a movie or tv show - and even, in a way, more than the reader of a novel.
The first point is obvious: watching the screen, we pretty much just have to sit there and experience what unfolds before us, admitting the obvious options of getting up and walking out or, if watching a recording at home, fast-forwarding, or just turning it off.
But even while reading a novel we tend to be more caught up in the flow of the reading experience than we are with a comic, for the simple reason that though we can flip ahead in a book as easily as we can in a comic, the incentive isn't there because it isn't the visual medium comics is: flipping ahead while reading a book, we don't get the immediate visual reward of seeing images of what's happening before our eyes. Yes, we can read a few lines, but quite possibly they aren't indicative to what's happening in the story.
So I think there's more of an unconscious sense or feeling that we're in control when we're reading comics than when reading a book or watching the screen and horror comics are hence less likely to actually scare the reader. But is the only purpose of horror stories to scare people?
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Post by brutalis on Aug 16, 2016 10:11:26 GMT -5
i thought it was interesting that so many of Marvel's creatures of the night were without speech. Werewolf by Night, Zombie Simon Garth, Man-Thing, Man-Phibian, The Living Mummy, The Golem, It the Living Colossus, and eventually the Frankenstein Monster. While they were the headline star it was their supporting cast which had to carry and move the stories with the monster's only real thoughts and/or speech being found in the yellow exposition boxes.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 16, 2016 13:33:05 GMT -5
"Down Among the Dead Men" in Annual #2 still gives me chills. Cei-U! I summon the groovy goodies! Ditto. Scariest line ever might be "Since yesterday." Enjoyed many of the comics published during that wave, not the anthologies, but the character-driven titles: It, Tomb of Dracula, Swamp Thing (both the Wein-Wrightson and Moore incarnations) , Supernatural Thrillers, and the SF ones like Worlds Unknown.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 16, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -5
When we did the 2014 CCF Long Halloween (favorite horror stories), four of my top five picks were from this era: 4. "Gran'ma Died Last Year," by Moench and Colan, from Haunt of Horrors #2 (1974) 3. "Inherit the Howling Night," by Haney and Saaf, from Teen Titans #43 (1973) 2. "When the Gods Crave Flesh," by Gerber and Marcos, from Tales of the Zombie #3 (1973) 1. "Childhood's End," by Lewis and Corben, from Eerie #60 (1974) And, speaking of which, how have we gotten this far into this thread without discussing Warren Publishing?
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Post by MDG on Aug 16, 2016 15:01:04 GMT -5
And, speaking of which, how have we gotten this far into this thread without discussing Warren Publishing? Warren got the jump on the 4-color publishers since they never had to deal with the code. The 70s resurgence was spurred by the relaxation of the code plus, I'd imagine, by the influx of artists who were influenced by the EC artists like Wrightson, Kaluta, Jones, Brunner, Ploog, etc. Also, Orlando coming on as an editor at DC (he was the original editor of Creepy as well as being at EC). Of course, Dell and Gold Key never dealt with the code, and some of their stories could be pretty scary to younger readers, (or at least to me) almost because they were drawn so "straight," Ripley's Believe It or Not, especially, since the stories were "true."
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Post by brutalis on Aug 16, 2016 15:22:46 GMT -5
And, speaking of which, how have we gotten this far into this thread without discussing Warren Publishing? I never really considered that Vampirella was much of a horror comic. While there was some small attempt made to convey it as such Vampi's selling point was pretty much directed towards all us guys hitting puberty. But damn i adored that Jose Gonzales artwork as it looked so scrumptious with it's crisp fine black and white line work. i'm sure many of us had copies buried near the bottom of our grocery bags holding our comics in hope mom wouldn't find them!?! Eerie and Creepy were a considered cost expense for me and i really never had much opportunity to buying them off of the rack until after high school (1980) when by then collections of them were beginning to turn up at used bookstores. It was then that i began to buy the occasional issue. Both Eerie and Creepy i felt were sometimes hit and miss with any issue. It was nice being able to dig through them in the used bins and flip through and admire the art and stories so as to decide upon which issues to take home.
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Post by rom on Sept 13, 2016 10:46:17 GMT -5
Great topic! Now that Halloween is right around the corner, I'm in the mood to read - or at least re-read - some horror comics.
I do agree the '70's was the heyday for horror comics. Horror is one of my favorite genres (in both film & literature), so I do have fond memories of these comics - notably DC's horror anthology titles, i.e. Tales of the Unexpected, Witching Hour, House of Mystery, Ghosts, Weird War Tales, etc. I know some of these titles were reprinted in DC's b&w Showcase volumes, but I would really like to see these reprinted in the original color.
I enjoyed DC produced better horror comics in the '70's than Marvel; Marvel's horror seemed to be more series based, i.e. Tomb of Dracula, Ghost Rider, Man Thing, Werewolf by Night, etc. - which was fine, but to me the stories weren't as scary/creepy as anthology stories. IIRC Marvel also had some horror anthology titles, but I don't remember much about these.
I didn't read much of Creepy & Eerie b&w mags. back in the day, but in more recent years have read DH's great HC reprints (via the local library). Unfortunately, the prices for these are a little too rich for my blood (IIRC, they're about $50 for a HC reprinting 5 issues), so have passed on collecting these.
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