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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 2:19:25 GMT -5
My hair is like that when I let it grow out (as it is currently), and I have heard pretty much all of those terms over the years to refer to my hair from various groups all over the many places I have lived.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 24, 2016 2:29:44 GMT -5
My hair is like that when I let it grow out (as it is currently), and I have heard pretty much all of those terms over the years to refer to my hair from various groups all over the many places I have lived. -M I don't think you've lived in any of the places I've lived. I doubt anyone in Britain would use the term "jew-fro" (which just sounds offensive), I have no idea what "chia" refers to, and I can't actually recall who Don Henley is/was, either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 2:50:29 GMT -5
My hair is like that when I let it grow out (as it is currently), and I have heard pretty much all of those terms over the years to refer to my hair from various groups all over the many places I have lived. -M I don't think you've lived in any of the places I've lived. I doubt anyone in Britain would use the term "jew-fro" (which just sounds offensive), I have no idea what "chia" refers to, and I can't actually recall who Don Henley is/was, either. You should get out more... -M
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 24, 2016 3:16:29 GMT -5
I don't think you've lived in any of the places I've lived. I doubt anyone in Britain would use the term "jew-fro" (which just sounds offensive), I have no idea what "chia" refers to, and I can't actually recall who Don Henley is/was, either. You should get out more... -M I think I'd need to go quite a long way...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 3:22:14 GMT -5
You should get out more... -M I think I'd need to go quite a long way... -M
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Post by Confessor on Aug 24, 2016 9:58:59 GMT -5
Are they really doing a new version of Are You Being Served?Just a one-off special, at the moment, as part of some sort of celebration of British sitcoms. There's also a new version of Porridge. This can't end well. Both of those series -- Are You Being Served? in particular -- are so "of their time" that I just don't think they'll click with a modern audience without the makers fundamentally changing the tone of them. EDIT: Oh, and Bob Dylan, Tom Baker, Don Henley or anyone other Caucasian with similar hair just has long curly hair. I can't say that I've ever heard the terms white-afro or Jew-fro before reading this thread just now (although I'm quite prepared to believe that Jew-fro is a more common term within Jewish communities in the U.S.). I've heard of white people with long curly hair being referred to as having an afro, but only ever in a mickey-taking or deliberately offensive context. Certainly here in England the terms white-afro or Jew-fro are either so rare that I've never encountered them in my 40 odd years or they're simply never used over here.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 24, 2016 10:36:09 GMT -5
Just a one-off special, at the moment, as part of some sort of celebration of British sitcoms. There's also a new version of Porridge. This can't end well. Both of those series -- Are You Being Served? in particular -- are so "of their time" that I just don't think they'll click with a modern audience without the makers fundamentally changing the tone of them. EDIT: Oh, and Bob Dylan, Tom Baker, Don Henley or anyone other Caucasian with similar hair just has long curly hair. I can't say that I've ever heard the terms white-afro or Jew-fro before reading this thread just now (although I'm quite prepared to believe that Jew-fro is a more common term within Jewish communities in the U.S.). I've heard of white people with long curly hair being referred to as having an afro, but only ever in a mickey-taking or deliberately offensive context. Certainly here in England the terms white-afro or Jew-fro are either so rare that I've never encountered them in my 40 odd years or they're simply never used over here. Apparently, the Porridge remake features the original Fletcher's grandson, doing a stretch for cybercrime. Sounds terrible, but at any rate, they're on this Sunday, so we shall see... I would be very surprised if the term 'jew-fro' has ever been used here.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 24, 2016 11:54:31 GMT -5
When the term Jew-Fro was coined, it's travelling destination across the Atlantic was not part of it's purpose. And my rabbi is quite proud of his
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Post by RikerDonegal on Sept 11, 2016 6:36:48 GMT -5
I love continuity in comics. It's one of the aspects that drew me to comics in the first place, as a kid. I haven't read a new comic in 15 years so I don't know what's what in modern comics, but in comics of the 70s (for example) I love to see how longer storylines develop the years. I'm currently reading the Eternals story arc in Thor(1979). It's a dreary storyline, but... I enjoy seeing how the storyline is progressing in it's third year of publication. I enjoy that a lot.
I'm not so obsessed with continuity that I would stress off placing entire comics between panels of other comics, when reading. I know of sites/lists/people that do that. It's fine. But not for me. I like it if I'm reading Thor and he references something that just happened in Avengers and I've already read that, I also like it if the title references/uses something from years earlier. Makes it seem like growth/progression is taking place.
I love continuity in TV, too. Since a lot of TV shows were shown out of production order I like to find out (if I can) if production order is the way to go and compile lists of the episodes the way the should be watched. For a lot of old TV shows this info is out there. Either other fans have done the work, or writers/producers go on record saying what the intended order is.
So, to me anyways, continuity matters.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 11, 2016 6:57:15 GMT -5
I love continuity in TV, too. Since a lot of TV shows were shown out of production order I like to find out (if I can) if production order is the way to go and compile lists of the episodes the way the should be watched. For a lot of old TV shows this info is out there. Either other fans have done the work, or writers/producers go on record saying what the intended order is. One example of this is in season 25 of Doctor Who (1988). The Doctor's companion, Ace, wears a black bomber jacket covered in badges, and in the story The Greatest Show in the Galaxy she adds the earring of a deceased character called Flower Child to her jacket as a tribute to her. The story was originally intended to be the second serial aired in this season, and was produced second, but the broadcast order was changed to accomodate the producer's wish that episode one of Silver Nemesis go out on the date of the show's 25th anniversary (its "Silver Anniversary"). As a result, Greatest Show went out as the final story in the season, and so Ace was first seen with Flower Child's earring on her jacket several weeks before she was actually shown to acquire it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 11, 2016 9:32:40 GMT -5
I love continuity in comics. It's one of the aspects that drew me to comics in the first place, as a kid. I haven't read a new comic in 15 years so I don't know what's what in modern comics, but in comics of the 70s (for example) I love to see how longer storylines develop the years. I'm currently reading the Eternals story arc in Thor(1979). It's a dreary storyline, but... I enjoy seeing how the storyline is progressing in it's third year of publication. I enjoy that a lot. I'm not so obsessed with continuity that I would stress off placing entire comics between panels of other comics, when reading. I know of sites/lists/people that do that. It's fine. But not for me. I like it if I'm reading Thor and he references something that just happened in Avengers and I've already read that, I also like it if the title references/uses something from years earlier. Makes it seem like growth/progression is taking place. I love continuity in TV, too. Since a lot of TV shows were shown out of production order I like to find out (if I can) if production order is the way to go and compile lists of the episodes the way the should be watched. For a lot of old TV shows this info is out there. Either other fans have done the work, or writers/producers go on record saying what the intended order is. So, to me anyways, continuity matters. I haven't read the Celestials storyline that featured The Eternals in years. I remember liking it but maybe it doesnt stand the test of time. I did like the footnotes that encourages your seeking out of past events that they had in those Marvel mags.
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Post by berkley on Sept 11, 2016 22:13:24 GMT -5
What do we mean by continuity? Continuity with what, with which of the many, often contradictory, versions of these characters?
For example, I'm certainly NOT down with the continuity of Crystal always being defined as somebody's wife or girlfriend, but I certainly am down with the continuity of her as a loyal, responsible, mature-beyond-her-years member of the Inhumans' royal family.
So I suppose that makes me anti-continuity? Or perhaps it simply makes the question invalid for me.
Or take the Celestials: that Thor epic is one of my favourites, but from the Eternals/Celestials perspective I think it should be seen as a "What If ...?" story - "What if ... the Celstials (and Eternals and Deviants) were part of the Marvel Universe?"
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Post by Pól Rua on Sept 14, 2016 1:03:40 GMT -5
Continuity is fun. I love the feeling that there's a crazy, wild world out there beyond the stories I'm reading with all sorts of wild adventures going on that I have no knowledge of.
When I was a kid, it was very rare for me to have a complete run of a comic series. I'd pick up bits and pieces here and there, and one of the 100% certain ways to make me buy a comic was to put a character on the cover I'd never seen before. I remember, for instance, seeing pictures of Black Lightning for years before ever reading a story in which he actually appeared. As a result, I was a sucker for team books, team-up books and anything involving Earth-2 because the characters were familiar, but you hardly ever got to see them. I'd LOVE it when they'd have those little editorial footnotes (* - To find out what Spidey's talking about, check out this month's 'Avengers' - on sale now!) or (* - a slightly biased retelling of events from 'Fantastic Four' #13).
In those heady, pre-internet days, stories like 'The Dark Phoenix Saga' were told in hushed tones. We knew vaguely what it was about, and that it was important, but we had no idea whether we'd ever get to actually READ those stories! Back then, 'Contuinity' meant that my branemeats were fizzing with exciting supposition and imagination!
Seriously, imagine my excitement at reading a reprint of 'DC Comics presents...' #12, with Superman and Mister Miracle. Here's a character I've never heard of, with a CRAZY costume and who's a professional stuntman... but what's all this about strange space gods? I was awhirl for months imagining what secrets lurked behind the tantalizing tidbits in this single otherwise innocuous story.
Is it any wonder that I'm a massive fan of projects like Keith Giffen's 5YL Legion, where details are dispensed with an eyedropper, and it feels like each month you're getting a tiny handful of jigsaw pieces which will eventually turn into... who knows what? Or Paul Grist's wonderful 'The Weird World of Jack Staff', which invites you to an amazing world of costumed crimefighters, mystery-solving investigators who are at least as enigmatic as anything they investigate, invisible cat burglars, Victorian Gentlemen adventurers, Vampire Hunting Junkmen, and countless others... and expects you to figure out just what's going on as you go along. Or Alan Moore's Tom Strong, which gives us a character who's been around for almost a century, and hints at some of his adventures before diving headlong into an all-new one?
On the other hand, there's this weird fetishization of continuity in a lot of mainstream ongoing comics. In these days, where corporations are concerned with 'franchises' rather than characters, and are interested in seeing just how much narrative they can squeeze out of any particular concept, we've ended up with a weird tail wagging the dog thing where, instead of the continuity providing a little extra spice to a thrilling adventure narrative, which can be enjoyed on its own merit, we're presented with nothing BUT seasoning with very little in the way of the original flavour left. It's at the point where whether Batman solves the mystery, escapes the deathtrap or stops the supervillain's evil plan is irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is whether the story 'really happened' and how it fits in with all the other stories. Which all seems a bit like the snake eating its own tail to me.
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Post by Pól Rua on Sept 14, 2016 1:19:55 GMT -5
What do we mean by continuity? Continuity with what, with which of the many, often contradictory, versions of these characters? I'm a huge fan of what a friend of mine called 'Earth-Me'. Somewhere out there in the infinite multiple universes, there exists a wonderful alternate Earth which is truly the best of all worlds. On that world, all the really wonderful stories all happened, and all the terrible ones didn't. On that planet, Batman's a grim and determined figure, but he isn't a joyless fascist. The Vision and Scarlet Witch are, against all odds, happily married. The way I see it, it's fiction, and, as none of it's any more or less real than any other bit, I can decide for myself which bits are real to me. Plus, if Bob Haney can get his own world... Plus, of course, 'my' world fully embraces contradiction and paradox, so it doesn't really matter if a story I don't like contributed to one I do, or if multiple versions of the characters live there. It allows me to be much happier overall.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 14, 2016 1:22:09 GMT -5
Or Paul Grist's wonderful 'The Weird World of Jack Staff', which invites you to an amazing world of costumed crimefighters, mystery-solving investigators who are at least as enigmatic as anything they investigate, invisible cat burglars, Victorian Gentlemen adventurers, Vampire Hunting Junkmen, and countless others... and expects you to figure out just what's going on as you go along. Evrything in your post echoes my own feelings about the value of continuity (especially the part about the joy of being thrown into a big, complex world of adventures one knows nothing about, and learning as one goes) but I really had to pick out this one section of your post and say how much peasure it gave me to see someone mention liking Jack Staff. I love what Grist did, there (although I suspect a lot of his characters and references would simply fly over the heads of anyone not well versed in 1960s British pop culture).
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