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Post by Action Ace on Sept 1, 2016 15:05:34 GMT -5
I'll go with Silver St. Cloud. Yes, as long as he immediately hangs up the cape and never associates with superheroes again. They will be permitted, however, to solve mysteries periodically in a Nick and Nora Charles-type mode. Agreed, but I'm thinking more of Hart to Hart. This way Alfred can be in on the fun too. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 1, 2016 15:26:34 GMT -5
I find it ironic that in the earliest stories in Detective, Bruce was engaged even after the start of his career as Batman yet so many people see him as being unable to emotionally invest in any relationship outside his crusade. The more obsessed and borderline psychotic they make Bruce, the less sympathetic I find him. Driven and dedicated, good, obsessed, irrational and unable to maintain any kind of normal social relationship, no thanks. -M The original Batman was a guy who disguised himself as a giant bat to fight crime. In today's version, I have the impression that it's Bruce Wayne who is the disguise. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 15:36:16 GMT -5
I find it ironic that in the earliest stories in Detective, Bruce was engaged even after the start of his career as Batman yet so many people see him as being unable to emotionally invest in any relationship outside his crusade. The more obsessed and borderline psychotic they make Bruce, the less sympathetic I find him. Driven and dedicated, good, obsessed, irrational and unable to maintain any kind of normal social relationship, no thanks. -M The original Batman was a guy who disguised himself as a giant bat to fight crime. In today's version, I have the impression that it's Bruce Wayne who is the disguise. Which to tie into one of the other threads hereabouts, is in my opinion, one of the worst retcons, but one that had taken root and fundamentally changed the character and the industry as a whole (and not necessarily for the better). -M |
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Post by coinilius on Sept 1, 2016 18:37:33 GMT -5
brutalis - I can totally see Spider-Man as a married man, especially since when I first started reading Spider-Man Peter and MJ were newly weds and as such, married Spider-Man has been the default setting of the character for me ever since. It's the same for Superman, where I came in on the Post-Crisis version of the character and was reading through his engagement and wedding and married life with Lois.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 2, 2016 0:33:43 GMT -5
I find it ironic that in the earliest stories in Detective, Bruce was engaged even after the start of his career as Batman yet so many people see him as being unable to emotionally invest in any relationship outside his crusade. The more obsessed and borderline psychotic they make Bruce, the less sympathetic I find him. Driven and dedicated, good, obsessed, irrational and unable to maintain any kind of normal social relationship, no thanks. -M Key point: Bruce was engaged. He got engaged, became Batman, then the engagement was broken off. And since then he has failed to hold down any sort of long term relationship. What other way is there to take that than Batman taking over Bruce's life? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 0:54:33 GMT -5
I find it ironic that in the earliest stories in Detective, Bruce was engaged even after the start of his career as Batman yet so many people see him as being unable to emotionally invest in any relationship outside his crusade. The more obsessed and borderline psychotic they make Bruce, the less sympathetic I find him. Driven and dedicated, good, obsessed, irrational and unable to maintain any kind of normal social relationship, no thanks. -M Key point: Bruce was engaged. He got engaged, became Batman, then the engagement was broken off. And since then he has failed to hold down any sort of long term relationship. What other way is there to take that than Batman taking over Bruce's life? Well that's why the retcon doesn't really make sense, in the new version he'd been training to be Batman (if he isn't already Batman) at least since he was an adolescent, leaving boarding schools to go train with whichever expert du jour someone retconned in at a later day, yet to original concept has Bruce leading a typical ordinary life outside of the the death of his parents until he dons the cowl. It's like one day suddenly obsession kicked in after years of normality (maybe he got kicked in the head one too many times as a kid and the modern Batman is the result of too many concussions or long term brain damage). In the retcon version, Bruce Wayne died the day his parents were killed and all that was left is The Batman. In that version, leaving a normal life, getting engaged at any point makes zero sense asnd that's why that retcon doesn't fit the character as conceived. You can rationalize multiple earths or what have you, but modern Batman is a different character than the one conceived and presented in the Golden Age and aside from name and costume there is nothing similar between the two. And in the Golden age material, in first several stories he is still engaged as Batman (he has to rescue her from the Monk in one adventure I believe) and if I recall, she breaks it off not him (it's been a year or so since I read the Golden Age stuff in the first Chronicles volume). Your interpretation doesn't fit with the character as presented on the page in the Golden Age stuff. -M |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 2, 2016 3:01:56 GMT -5
Key point: Bruce was engaged. He got engaged, became Batman, then the engagement was broken off. And since then he has failed to hold down any sort of long term relationship. What other way is there to take that than Batman taking over Bruce's life? Well that's why the retcon doesn't really make sense, in the new version he'd been training to be Batman (if he isn't already Batman) at least since he was an adolescent, leaving boarding schools to go train with whichever expert du jour someone retconned in at a later day, yet to original concept has Bruce leading a typical ordinary life outside of the the death of his parents until he dons the cowl. It's like one day suddenly obsession kicked in after years of normality (maybe he got kicked in the head one too many times as a kid and the modern Batman is the result of too many concussions or long term brain damage). In the retcon version, Bruce Wayne died the day his parents were killed and all that was left is The Batman. In that version, leaving a normal life, getting engaged at any point makes zero sense asnd that's why that retcon doesn't fit the character as conceived. You can rationalize multiple earths or what have you, but modern Batman is a different character than the one conceived and presented in the Golden Age and aside from name and costume there is nothing similar between the two. And in the Golden age material, in first several stories he is still engaged as Batman (he has to rescue her from the Monk in one adventure I believe) and if I recall, she breaks it off not him (it's been a year or so since I read the Golden Age stuff in the first Chronicles volume). Your interpretation doesn't fit with the character as presented on the page in the Golden Age stuff. -M I didn't say I was a fan of the retcon where Bruce "dies" with his parents. Julie does break off the engagement, but the reason she does so is disapproval over his playboy lifestyle. She wants him to settle down and get a career, to which Bruce thinks "Batman is my career." So just the quick rundown: - Bruce's parents are murdered in front of him when he's a child - He spends the next fifteen years preparing himself mentally and physically to be a vigilante - At some point meets, courts and gets engaged to Julie Madison - Becomes Batman - Gets dumped because he's too focused on being Batman. - Never has a serious long term relationship again The most reasonable interpretation of that is that Bruce Wayne was able to life a normal life until he became Batman, at which point his priorities started to change and he starts the very long shift into the character that he is today. |
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Post by dupersuper on Sept 5, 2016 16:13:32 GMT -5
Spiderman: poor schlub wanna wife but not in his cards. Mephisto, is that you? |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 5, 2016 21:43:14 GMT -5
Yeah, this might be kind of awkward because Batgirl is like 11 years old these days... And for so many other reasons. It got a reaction  And I don't follow new stuff so yes, if she is 11 that is definitely disturbing and wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 10:21:41 GMT -5
The more I think about this subject and the more clearer the issue of Batman having a wife ... their is a time of Bruce Wayne's life that Father Time is catching up with him and no longer have the capacity to fight crime he should retire as the Caped Crusader/Dark Knight for good and settle down with a wife and leave the crime fighting to a worthy successor that's has earned the rights to become Batman II.
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And I don't follow new stuff so yes, if she is 11 that is definitely disturbing and wrong.