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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 26, 2016 9:00:46 GMT -5
This is why I despise the Kang character, no matter what he calls himself.
Cei-U!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 26, 2016 9:51:32 GMT -5
IIRC, the Mole Man's real name has never been revealed. There are also scores of Golden Age villains who never received civilian identities (or origins, for that matter). Cei-U! I summon the ID card! Roger Stern established an I.D. for Mole Man in Marvel Universe "The Monster Hunters" storyline. Harvey Rupert Elder. The name has meaning. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 26, 2016 10:14:49 GMT -5
IIRC, the Mole Man's real name has never been revealed. There are also scores of Golden Age villains who never received civilian identities (or origins, for that matter). Cei-U! I summon the ID card! Roger Stern established an I.D. for Mole Man in Marvel Universe "The Monster Hunters" storyline. Harvey Rupert Elder. The name has meaning. As in Harvey Kurtzman and Will Elder? Cei-U! Dunno where Rupert comes in! |
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 26, 2016 10:20:49 GMT -5
The Hobgoblin. Oh wait, they screwed that up twice...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 10:21:21 GMT -5
Didn't that back off they to make him the Vision in the future? I think that's what they did in Young Avengers, anyway(he was also 'Iron Lad')...and I feel like they went with that in Waid's ANAD Avengers book. For Judge Dredd... I thought there was an origin story out there for him, they just don't ever show the top half of his face. I can' really think of any semi-major characters where we don't know all about them... that's kinda sad. Kang's timeline basically goes: Nathaniel Richards > Iron Lad > Kid Immortus > Rama Tut > Kang > Rama Tut (again) > Kang&Immortus. (Avengers Forever made it so he split into 2 persons, with one incarnation becoming Immortus and another remaining Kang. And then there is another split where he becomes the Scarlet Centurion.) Problem is that Kang and his various versions repeatedly recross their own timelines so that they change their past leading to different versions (Iron Lad knows who Kang is and works (and fails) to prevent himself from ever becoming Kang. Likewise Kang and Immortus) LOL. .you can see why I phrased it as did we ever find out who is *truly* behind that mask?  |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 26, 2016 10:27:46 GMT -5
IIRC, the Mole Man's real name has never been revealed. There are also scores of Golden Age villains who never received civilian identities (or origins, for that matter). Cei-U! I summon the ID card! The Mole Man's real name is Harvey Elder. Revealed in Marvel Universe #4 in September 1998. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 26, 2016 10:31:09 GMT -5
Kang has been shown unmasked several times. He's supposedly Nathaniel Richards, a 30th century descendant of Reed Richards's father. Didn't that back off they to make him the Vision in the future? I think that's what they did in Young Avengers, anyway(he was also 'Iron Lad')...and I feel like they went with that in Waid's ANAD Avengers book. For Judge Dredd... I thought there was an origin story out there for him, they just don't ever show the top half of his face. I can' really think of any semi-major characters where we don't know all about them... that's kinda sad. Kang was never the Vision, though Nathanial Richards was Iron Lad. The second Vision android, of the Young Avengers, was basically Iron Lad's armour animated by a copy of the old Vision's operating system. As for Dredd, yes, he has an origin. He's a clone of the late Chief Judge Fargo, founder of the Judge system. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 26, 2016 10:33:47 GMT -5
The Hobgoblin. Oh wait, they screwed that up twice... They didn't, in the end. Apparently, Roderick Kingsley was actually intended to be the Hobgoblin all along, it just took them a few decades to get there. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 26, 2016 10:44:04 GMT -5
Roger Stern established an I.D. for Mole Man in Marvel Universe "The Monster Hunters" storyline. Harvey Rupert Elder. The name has meaning. As in Harvey Kurtzman and Will Elder? Cei-U! Dunno where Rupert comes in!  Yep. |
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 26, 2016 11:39:43 GMT -5
The Hobgoblin. Oh wait, they screwed that up twice... They didn't, in the end. Apparently, Roderick Kingsley was actually intended to be the Hobgoblin all along, it just took them a few decades to get there. I didn't know that! So was the Ned Leeds thing editorial fiat? An attempt to put a bow on it and move on? |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 26, 2016 12:14:57 GMT -5
They didn't, in the end. Apparently, Roderick Kingsley was actually intended to be the Hobgoblin all along, it just took them a few decades to get there. I didn't know that! So was the Ned Leeds thing editorial fiat? An attempt to put a bow on it and move on? Roger Stern had the storyline planned from the start but left before he could reveal Hobgoblin was Kingsley. Tom DeFalco took over as writer of ASM but decided he disliked the Kingsley idea; he planned for the Goblin to be Richard Fisk, but never got around to revealing it as he wanted to string it out as long as possible. When Jim Owsley took over as editor, he and DeFalco didn't get along, so when Owsley asked who the Goblin was, DeFalco claimed he was Ned Leeds, as a piece of deliberate misdirection. Owsley then wrote the Spidey/Wolverine one-shot in which Leeds was killed in order to change that, ordering Peter David (who was writing Spectacular Spider-Man) to out Hobby as the Foreigner instead, but David objected because he felt Leeds made more sense and, in any case, he had other plans for the Foreigner. In the end, Hobby was revealed to have been Leeds because there was no real alternative, despite neither Owsley or DeFalco being happy about it. It took Roger Stern returning to the character in '97 to sort it all out. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 26, 2016 16:53:25 GMT -5
The Hobgoblin thing works for me...granted at the time, I am sure people were not happy with the way it flip flopped but as far as making it all work, I think they managed well with what happened at time.
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Post by electricmastro on Jan 15, 2020 1:29:02 GMT -5
One of the earliest comic book masked crimefighters, the Masked Marvel from Centaur Comics, was never revealed as to what his real name was despite having appeared over 20 times. He was just simply someone who showed up to fight crime and the story was over once his mission was finished, presumably leaving him to go back to whatever his civilian identity was.  |
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Post by foxley on Jan 15, 2020 2:30:12 GMT -5
The Phantom Stranger was the first to spring to mind (most fans chose to ignore any suggestion of him being Judas Iscariot) I'm pretty sure Paladin (the Marvel mercenary) has never had his real name revealed. Has Dolphin's true identity ever been established? On the villain side: * Onomatopoeia * Scavenger (Superboy foe) * The Wrath (we know his history but not his name) * Prometheus (essentially an updated version of the Wrath) * Cap'n Fear * The Dummy * Wotan * Javelin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 8:02:10 GMT -5
To chadwilliam: There's an interesting fan theory about Chief Quimby being Doctor Claw. I mean, he does keep sending Gadget off on those assignments - and seems to know Claw's crime plans in advance (what, did Claw take out an ad?). But it's about more than that. In the end credits of Inspector Gadget, Quimby is opening his mouth and talking to Gadget - at that exact moment, Claw does a voiceover. It is most likely just a coincidence, but it's that from where the fan theories grew... Go to 0:32-0:34 of this video: |
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