Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Oct 13, 2016 22:21:38 GMT -5
When I as a kid, I used to enjoy the Commando war comics that were published over here in the UK, but they really don't hold up well to modern eyes. The 'Nam is fantastic, or it was for first 40 or so issues, at least. My favourite war comic though, hands down, is Charley's War, which appeared in the pages of Battle Action Weekly... That fact that the series isn't better known outside of Britain and Australia is a travesty. I would urge all of you who haven't read it to give Charley's War a try because it's an absolutely stunning piece of work, both visually and in terms of the writing -- especially for an '80s kids comic! It is, without doubt, the greatest war comic ever created, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 22:44:53 GMT -5
Those Max Fury Comics that hondobrode posted earlier today aren't allowed to be sold in my store because many parents objected them and they were put in the Adult Comics section and you have to be 21 or older to purchase them. I'm serious about this.
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 14, 2016 2:11:30 GMT -5
When I as a kid, I used to enjoy the Commando war comics that were published over here in the UK, but they really don't hold up well to modern eyes. The 'Nam is fantastic, or it was for first 40 or so issues, at least. My favourite war comic though, hands down, is Charley's War, which appeared in the pages of Battle Action Weekly... That fact that the series isn't better known outside of Britain and Australia is a travesty. I would urge all of you who haven't read it to give Charley's War a try because it's an absolutely stunning piece of work, both visually and in terms of the writing -- especially for an '80s kids comic! It is, without doubt, the greatest war comic ever created, as far as I'm concerned. As far as many people are concerned, I think, though Pat Mills insists it's not a war story: it's an anti-war story. I actually think a few of those Battle strips hold up pretty well; Johnny Red and the wonderfully bleak Darkie's Mob in particular. Have you seen Garth Ennis's recent Johnny Red series from Titan?
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 14, 2016 9:24:08 GMT -5
Those Max Fury Comics that hondobrode posted earlier today aren't allowed to be sold in my store because many parents objected them and they were put in the Adult Comics section and you have to be 21 or older to purchase them. I'm serious about this. I hate that. When I lived in Sioux City there was a shop there that did things like that, and I even confronted them about it, and they were afraid parents would get upset. Gutless and asinine. They lost my business because of that.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 14, 2016 9:37:26 GMT -5
Those Max Fury Comics that hondobrode posted earlier today aren't allowed to be sold in my store because many parents objected them and they were put in the Adult Comics section and you have to be 21 or older to purchase them. I'm serious about this. I hate that. When I lived in Sioux City there was a shop there that did things like that, and I even confronted them about it, and they were afraid parents would get upset. Gutless and asinine. They lost my business because of that. Not to derail the thread but I can see both sides of the coin. Back in the 90's I was 15-18 so I was a bit older and the only adult comics around, or ones considered adult, at the many shops I went to, were pornographic. But if like I take my kids to Vintage Stock for video games everything is out there but they won't sell mature games to anyone under 18. And a few employees have tactfully pointed out a mature rated game I buying when I am with the kids. They have told me you wouldn't believe how many parents blindly buy stuff for their kids and then come back to the store indignant at the store when they saw the contents of the game they bought. So I can understand a proprietor not wanting that headache. But I can also understand customers frustrated at product being hidden because of others not being aware of the product they purchase. Especially since most MAX covers I've seen don't have anything offensive on the actual cover and are plainly stamped "mature". I guess it's one of those situations of a few ruining it for the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 9:40:02 GMT -5
Those Max Fury Comics that hondobrode posted earlier today aren't allowed to be sold in my store because many parents objected them and they were put in the Adult Comics section and you have to be 21 or older to purchase them. I'm serious about this. I hate that. When I lived in Sioux City there was a shop there that did things like that, and I even confronted them about it, and they were afraid parents would get upset. Gutless and asinine. They lost my business because of that. So, do I. I discovered a LCS that did this through a friend of mine and he warned people that and despite the warning on the cover containing explicit content isn't enough to warn readers and that alone isn't right and having said that he lost his business there and found another LCS that allowed freedom of choice. I just wanted to convey that. That's all I have to say about it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 15, 2016 11:20:53 GMT -5
Long, long time fan of the war comics. More often than not, they had some of the best writing in comics and tremendous art. As a kid, I saw those great Joe Kubert covers for Sgt Rock and things like the scarred face of the Unknown Soldier. I devoured those books. Thanks to digital sources, I have pretty much all of the classic DC stories, Sgt Fury and The Nam (plus the lesser Marvel war comics), Blazing Combat, the EC books,and the Lonely War of Willy Schultz. I have hard copies of Vietnam Journal. For my money, Vietnam Journal was more comprehensive than the Nam, getting into different aspects, from the grunts to spec war, marines to Aussies, and things like the CIA run Shining Brass recon teams. It also had a rawer edge to the art that seemed to fit the war. On the flip side, Michael Golden got flack for his characters looking cartoony; but, he was a great storyteller and he got the gear and uniforms right, which is important in a war comic.
Sam Glanzman is on a plane all his own, with me. His regular stuff is great, with the USS Stevens stories really immersing you in the war. Then, he helps produce the seminal Lonely War of Willy Schultz, about a German-American soldier who is wrongfully accused of murder, hightails it into the North African desert and ends up hiding in a German unit. He is forced to face the dilemmas of firing on his countrymen or being found out by the Germans. he also finds himself developing friendships with his German comrades. it was really something unique. if that wasn't enough, Glanzman shared his own story of a youth, caught up in a war, on the other side of the world. I discovered a Sailor's Story while I was finishing up college, on an NROTC scholarship, as I was about to become a commissioned naval officer. Much of what he described from the 1940s was still true at the end of the 1980s. I also looked up the record of the USS Stevens; he saw a lot of action. Aside from the war comics, he did some beautiful baroque work on Charlton's Hercules comic.
Thanks to digital, I have Charly's War and have only just started reading it. It's darn good and one of the 1000 Comics You Must Read Before You Die, from the book of the same name.
Less well known, but the equal to those DC and Charlton war comics, is Wayne Van Zant's Battle Group Peiper, from Caliber. It tells the story of SS Standartenfuhrer (Col) Joachim Peiper, who became infamous during the Battle of the Bulge. Van Zant tells the story well and would have fit right in with Russ heath, Sam Glanzman, Joe Kubert, Alex Toth, Jerry Grandinetti, Gary taloc and the other DC war comic stalwarts.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 19, 2016 8:24:19 GMT -5
Some of the best days in the late 70's and early 80's was wandering through neighborhood convenience stores searching out their comic book rack. Among the super hero titles hoping to find war comics was difficult at times. With distribution in those days being so widely strange and unique it might be weeks or months with nothing found and then you hit a different store and lo and behold you would find 2-6 months worth of those elusive war comics. So much pleasure derived some days when finding a store that had in stock 3 Sergeant Rock's, a couple of Unknown Soldier's or a bunch of Weird War or Our Army at War. Those were golden days of excitement and thrilling treasures as a teenager.
And what was so great is those war comics stories seemed more fun than many of the super hero comics. Unknown Soldier and The Haunted Tank were two of my favorite series and they did more with less pages in one story than some of the double sized comics.
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 19, 2016 10:28:31 GMT -5
Some of the best days in the late 70's and early 80's was wandering through neighborhood convenience stores searching out their comic book rack. Among the super hero titles hoping to find war comics was difficult at times. With distribution in those days being so widely strange and unique it might be weeks or months with nothing found and then you hit a different store and lo and behold you would find 2-6 months worth of those elusive war comics. So much pleasure derived some days when finding a store that had in stock 3 Sergeant Rock's, a couple of Unknown Soldier's or a bunch of Weird War or Our Army at War. Those were golden days of excitement and thrilling treasures as a teenager. And what was so great is those war comics stories seemed more fun than many of the super hero comics. Unknown Soldier and The Haunted Tank were two of my favorite series and they did more with less pages in one story than some of the double sized comics. The Unknown Soldier was a terrific character, I always liked him, though as you say, it wasn't always a book you could find easily.
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 19, 2016 10:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 19, 2016 15:40:45 GMT -5
These were ones I saw in DC house ads, that made me want to read them: This is one that is more personal to me: I discovered this while I was a midshipman, attending the Univ. of Illinois, on a Navy ROTC scholarship. I could better relate to the story, as I had been to sea for my summer training and could compare the modern Navy, with the storied days of the war in the Pacific. Glanzman gave you both a look at everyday life aboard a destroyer and the desperate battles that were fought. This wasn't a fantasy, or someone's interpretation of history; it was one man's life and war through the eyes of a young man. Meanwhile, this was one of my favorites, from the other side: I saw it in this version, rather than Sgt. Fury #15. Another was this: It owed more than a little to Von Ryan's Express, which came out the year before the comic. I'm most partial to the Gary Friederich and Dick Ayers/John Severin run, which has the best combination of stories and art, mixing the wilder tales with more thoughtful ones. Fury suffered from being too much Hollywood and Marvel style, rather than being a serious war book, like the DC titles, especially when Joe Kubert edited them. Kirby has gone on record saying he hated Sgt. Fury, as he had lived through the real thing and it wasn't as fun as Fury made it seem. By contrast, he enjoyed doing more serious tales on The Losers, in Our Fighting Forces.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 19, 2016 16:28:03 GMT -5
I have never read GI Joe but when does it take place in terms of war? Also, is it any good? Several covers really grab my attention and I know there is an issue with no dialogue that is often seen in must read lists.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Oct 19, 2016 17:46:52 GMT -5
I really liked most of those Max titles, including that one. Another is this one from 2001, more terrorist and less traditional war, but it's great. by Garth Ennis & Darick Robertson / Jimmy Palmiotti with covers by Bill Sienkiewicz I love Nick Fury. My brother and I were out in our woods on summer vacation playing Nick Fury and someone else I don't remember now. I was 12 and remember telling my brother that I was going to have a son someday and I'm naming him Nick after Nick Fury, and I did. He loves it. That 2001 mini might be the most awkward book Marvel ever published. The basic idea is that the United States doesn't go to war anymore and Nick Fury is a relic who has to beg various agencies for any scrap of combat he can get to feed his addiction. The thrust of the story is a former Cold War-era rival deliberating starting a conflict in a banana republic so he and Nick can relive their glory days. The first issue was published in September 2001. On the plus side, the series disgusted George Clooney so much that he changed his mind about playing Nick and Avi Arad had to can the movie.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 19, 2016 21:25:33 GMT -5
I really liked most of those Max titles, including that one. Another is this one from 2001, more terrorist and less traditional war, but it's great. by Garth Ennis & Darick Robertson / Jimmy Palmiotti with covers by Bill Sienkiewicz I love Nick Fury. My brother and I were out in our woods on summer vacation playing Nick Fury and someone else I don't remember now. I was 12 and remember telling my brother that I was going to have a son someday and I'm naming him Nick after Nick Fury, and I did. He loves it. That 2001 mini might be the most awkward book Marvel ever published. The basic idea is that the United States doesn't go to war anymore and Nick Fury is a relic who has to beg various agencies for any scrap of combat he can get to feed his addiction. The thrust of the story is a former Cold War-era rival deliberating starting a conflict in a banana republic so he and Nick can relive their glory days. The first issue was published in September 2001. On the plus side, the series disgusted George Clooney so much that he changed his mind about playing Nick and Avi Arad had to can the movie. I don't know that I would call that a plus. I can actually see Clooney pulling off Fury. He couldn't be worse than the Hoff (who was fun, in a cheesy kind of way).
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 19, 2016 21:32:44 GMT -5
GI Joe isn't so much a war comic as a pseudo military comic. It's real inspiration lies in SHIELD, as it was based on a pitch for a new SHIELD series that Larry Hama made. He dusted it off when Hasbro was launching the new line of toys and wanted a comic book. It's really more like those stories, with a peacekeeping organization fighting a super-terrorist group. It launched in the Reagan years, when we were playing little brush war games, like Grenada, proxy fights in Nicaragua, and propping up corrupt governments like Honduras and El Salvador, while also sending pawns against the Soviets, in Afghanistan. That was used for a two-parter, where the JOE team meets up with their Soviet counterparts, the October Guard. As these things go, it was entertaining, though the way the weapons were drawn (apart from the actual toy-based ones) used to irk me (I was a bit techy then). To me, a good war or military comic needs more attention to detail than an issue of the Avengers, though George Perez's inability to draw realistic weaponry in the Deathstroke origin, during the Judas Contract, did give me migraines. He also couldn't draw a beret, though he isn't alone in that. Mike Grell could.
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