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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 18, 2017 13:32:03 GMT -5
This is it gang; the finale! New Gods #11 Orion vs Kalibak II, Electric Boogaloo. Our story opens with Commissioner Kiernan visiting Kalibak in his special cell... He wants to broker a peace between New genesis and Apokolips, because Earth and his city are getting torn up, while it rages. He makes Kalibak an offer and he considers it... And the moron lets him out. He breaks his shackles and smashes through a wall to escape. It's less subtle than Hannibal Lector's escape, in Silence of the Lambs; but with more smashing of things. Meanwhile, Orion is tired or waiting for the dogs of Apokolips to attack and starts cutting a promo, which sounds something like this... (Dusty Rhodes was probably the greatest promo man in pro wrestling!) Claudia Schane bursts in on Orion smashing Dave Lincoln's college trophy and tells him that Kalibak is on his way. Lightray tells Orion to just wait for him, since he knows where Orion will be: at the Garden, Friday, March 8, bell time is 7:00 pm. Tickets on sale now! While this is going on, Desaad brings news to Darkseid of Kalibak's escape. Darkseid says they have battled since childhood and only fate has kept them from killing one another. However, Darkseid will intervene if fate does not. Desaad questions this, wondering why Darkseid doesn't let Kalibak destroy orion, earning Darkseid's fearsome wrath... And in that one page, we finally learn the truth at the heart of Kalibak and Orion's battle and why Darkseid has not killed Orion. Orion is his son by Tigra, the wife of Darkseid, chosen by his mother, Queen Heggra. Darkseid loved another, the sorceress Suli, and fathered Kalibak, with her. Queen Heggra ordered Desaad to poison Suli, to put an end to Darkseid's defiance. This is the stuff of grand opera and epic poetry: political marriages, secret loves, schemes, poisonings, hatred, secret siblings. Desaad reminds Darkseid that he also carried out Darkseid's scheme, poisoning the Queen, allowing Darkseid to ascend to the throne. No wonder Darkseid has contempt for Desaad. He has schemed against and for Darkseid. Who would ever trust such a person? Kalibak finally shows up outside Dave Lincoln's building and calls out Orion... Lightray tells Orion that he will engage Kalibak and speeds off, before Orion can react. He is tired of Orion carrying the fight and Lightray unleashes a nova burst, his full power on Kalibak. Kalibak shrugs it off, which concerns Lightray. Kalibak seems stronger than before. Lightray attacks again; but, Kalibak grabs him and proceeds to stomp a mudhole in him. Orion watches from ringside, held back by the warrior's code. Even Dave Lincoln thinks "fair play" is overrated. Claudia sees that Lightray has fallen. We cut to Willie Walker, lying unmoving in his bed, a prisoner of a broken body, unable to speak. He hears a voice calling him and arises from his bed, transformed into the Black Racer. He is needed, as Death will claim one god or the other. The time has come for Orion to open a 40 oz can of whoop-ass!!! Kalibak launches his attack with a foreign object! Come on ref, are you blind? Orion ducks and grabs Kalibak, shoving him into a wall. He slaps the Iron Claw on Kalibak, who fires back with an energy blast to the face. He blasts him with more power and Orion reels. Kalibak charges and smashes him with his fist. He throws a wall at him! Why is the referee allowing this? The wall isn't enough, so Kalibak drops a building on Orion! Finally, the cops show up to put a halt to things. Darkseid has been watching the battle on pay-per-view (pirated, of course) and smells a rat. His techs say Kalibak is being fed power from somewhere in their vicinity. Darkseid stomps off and finds Desaad sucking in the emotions of the conflict. Desaad admits that he has strengthened Kalibak, so he can win the conflict. This angers Darkseid... Darkseid puts an end to Desaad's schemes... Kind of reminds me of this.. All that remains is a patch of fading light. The cops confront Kalibak, who laughs them off, until Orion emerges from the rubble of the building. It's time for the babyfaces comeback! Orion starts hitting Kalibak and the fight grows more savage. This time, it is to the death! Orion pounds and pounds and the Black Racer moves in closer. Orion hits him harder and harder and sense that Kalibak's extra strength has faded. He picks Kalibak up for a bodyslam and the Black Racer interferes in the match, with his ski pole. A wind screams through the place and we see the figures disappear into it. It finally passes, leaving only Orion. The Black Racer has taken Kalibak. Orion emerges triumphant. he makes a vow to face Darkseid in the firepits of Apokolips. it is time to bring the end to Darkseid. And, we are left hanging. Kirby is unable to bring that end, as Carmine Infantino has pulled the plug on the New Gods, claiming low sales. Much debate has passed on that subject. Paul Levitz said the series was selling at about a mid-level range at DC, better than many books that continued. Carmine, in the pages of the Comic Buyer's Guide, defended his decision, in response to mark Evanier's statements about the subject. Evamnier elaborated and stated that the series didn't sell enough to justify, in Carmine's mind, the high page rate Kirby was receiving (the highest in the industry). Thus, we were robbed of an ending. Even Gerry Conway got that! Words don't do the fight justice. It is raw and brutal. Darkseid's wrath at Desaad's treachery is fearsome and help showcase Darkseid's twisted nobility. The Black Racer adds the element of doom. The character may look like the Silver Surfer's goofy cousin; but, Kirby uses him well as a spectre of death. he was intended for another role; but, Kirby found a place for him, when asked to add new characters to the story. Kirby's battles here (in the series) are probably the greatest fights ever staged in the comics. However, there is no glory in them; only death and destruction. Kirby survived a war and knew this firsthand. he relates it to the audience, who often don't contemplate the destruction they so love in their superhero comics. Kirby's work had matured beyond superhero slugfests. He showed us what war is really like. As fate (and fans at DC) would have it, this would not be the end. You can't keep a good story down. Carmine's regime fell and a new one rose, led by Jenette Kahn, with Paul Levitz, Dick Giordano and Joe Orlando. They wanted to make great comics again and they were fans of Kirby. They retroactively gave him creator participation in the 4th World characters, when those royalties were instituted, even though he worked under a different contract. He was commissioned to design 4th World toys for the Kenner Super Powers line, earning him further royalties. DC finally gave a little piece back to Kirby. Then, they went one better. They commissioned a new story from Jack and offered him a chance to write the ending of the New Gods. That is where we will pick up the story.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 18, 2017 15:56:07 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #11 Ou story begins with Barda holding Scott's pole... What'd you think I meant? Get your mind out of the gutter! Ted Brown Jr is filming one of Scott's escapes and the Furies are co-starring. Barda places Scott's pole into a hole, while Benadeth lights a fire. Lashina cracks one of her lashes around Scott's pole, then Stompa stomps on the pole. The pole breaks and Scott is sent plunging into Bernadeth's fire! Of course, Scott emerges safely and, for once, Barda didn't panic and enter the fray. She let the Furies do th panicking instead. Sounds like she and Scott have entered the comfortable phase of their relationship. While all this is going on, we see Dr Bedlam's animates skulking around and then the bad doctor phases in. he's got a new trap and he is ready to snare Mister Miracle in it. The gang heads back to the house to clean up and have some din-din, when Oberon is hit with illusions of monsters. Scott is just getting him calmed down, when the animates sneak in through a window, behind the unsuspecting Ted and Oberon. You know, Kirby uses that shot quite a lot, in his work, where the villain sneaks in behind the hero (usually through a window) then Pearl Harbors the hero. Well, this time, Barda and the Furies are there and they commence to a whompin' and a whoopin every unliving thing in sight. Scott take one for Stompa and Mother Box gets blasted. After the fight breaks up, he traces Bedlam to a saucer-shaped craft his animates had set up. He enters and faces Bedlam, who phases out, leaving an inert animate. The craft takes off, hurtling Scott into space. Scott is cooked as it skips along the atmosphere and then frozen as it lets the cold of space in. Bedlam sends it hurting towards the moon, when Scott surprises him with another Mother Box and weaves a net over Bedlam, trapping him in his animate form. The craft plunges into the moon and the people of Earth get a lightshow... Scott reappears on Earth, met by Barda and he reveals the new Mother Box circuitry he wove into his mask. This is pretty much the last hurrah, for now, for the 4th World villains. Scott is on Earth to stay and his adventures are more mundane, though no less exciting. Gone is the operatic fight with Darkseid's minions and we now see him take on an assortment of weirdos and crooks, as Mister Miracle becomes more of a superhero. However, Kirby is still having fun with the escapes, especially as he adds the Furies' talents to the deathtraps. It's kind of like watching James Bond getting beat up by Bambi and Thumper in Diamonds are Forever, except they are setting up the bigger deathtrap. I love Scott Free; but, a comic starring Barda and the Female Furies would have been so much cooler. I'm tellin' ya', Warner, get a Female Furies movie in production and you can make people forget Marvel. heck, it would also make people forget the Ghostbusters remake, though they would probably cast Melissa McCarthy as Stompa. Okay, here's a challenge; cast a movie version of Mister Miracle, with Scott, Barda, Oberon, and the Female Furies. Throw in Granny Goodness as the villain, and maybe Funky Flashman.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 19, 2017 13:44:13 GMT -5
I love Scott Free; but, a comic starring Barda and the Female Furies would have been so much cooler. I'm tellin' ya', Warner, get a Female Furies movie in production and you can make people forget Marvel. heck, it would also make people forget the Ghostbusters remake, though they would probably cast Melissa McCarthy as Stompa. Okay, here's a challenge; cast a movie version of Mister Miracle, with Scott, Barda, Oberon, and the Female Furies. Throw in Granny Goodness as the villain, and maybe Funky Flashman. Challenge accepted: Mister Miracle: Dave Franco Barda: Rhonda Rousey could do the physicality but Kate Beckinsale has more of the look. Oberon:Peter Dinklage Female Furies: Lashina: Gal Gadot (wouldn't Darkseid use a WW clone as one of his warriors? or Olivia Munn. Stompa: female wrestler/body builder Christy Wolf Granny Goodness: Ed Asner in full armor plated drag is the only way to go with our favorite Granny! Or go crazy and cast Vin Diesel?!? Funky Flashman: Paul Bettany (see his portrayal in A knight's Tale: he would do Stan proud!)
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 19, 2017 21:48:04 GMT -5
I love Scott Free; but, a comic starring Barda and the Female Furies would have been so much cooler. I'm tellin' ya', Warner, get a Female Furies movie in production and you can make people forget Marvel. heck, it would also make people forget the Ghostbusters remake, though they would probably cast Melissa McCarthy as Stompa. Okay, here's a challenge; cast a movie version of Mister Miracle, with Scott, Barda, Oberon, and the Female Furies. Throw in Granny Goodness as the villain, and maybe Funky Flashman. Challenge accepted: Mister Miracle: Dave Franco Barda: Rhonda Rousey could do the physicality but Kate Beckinsale has more of the look. Oberon:Peter Dinklage Female Furies: Lashina: Gal Gadot (wouldn't Darkseid use a WW clone as one of his warriors? or Olivia Munn. Stompa: female wrestler/body builder Christy Wolf Granny Goodness: Ed Asner in full armor plated drag is the only way to go with our favorite Granny! Or go crazy and cast Vin Diesel?!? Funky Flashman: Paul Bettany (see his portrayal in A knight's Tale: he would do Stan proud!) I like! Ed Asner was unnerving enough just doing the voice of Granny; I shudder to think of him playing the character live. That would make Gene Hackman's drag look (in The Birdcage) look rather attractive.
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Post by berkley on Jan 19, 2017 22:47:11 GMT -5
New Gods #9 This issue gives us the debut of my favorite 4th World character (aside from Mister Miracle and Big Barda): Forager, aka Bug. There's just something really likeable about the guys and Kirby does some interesting things with him. He got a great start in the Gerry Conway series and Don Newton went to town with the character, when he infiltrates the DNA Project; but, Conway soon forgot him. Jim Starlin picked up on him for Cosmic Odyssey, then did a number on him that still ticks me off. He was also used well in the New Gods two-parter on Justice League. He's a great visual design and lends himself well to action. Plus, he provides a new perspective to the 4th World, as someone with his own special abilities, who looks in awe upon the New Gods. Our story begins as Kirby tells us that the war between Apokolips and New Genesis brought forth biological weapons; and, one, which was used in past, created "bugs" on New Genesis. They have a ravenous appetite and we see Forager leading a raid on food stores... Supertown responds and the Monitors drop insecticide, killing many, though we see Forager escape and return to the Mound. While this occurs, Orion and Lightray greet the dawn, after Orion's battle with Kalibak. Lightray tries to bring hope and joy to Orion and the possibilities that the new day brings. His sentiments are echoed by an intruder, Eve Donner, a playwright and resident of the building. She is intrigued by Orion and his scarred and grim face. Back on New Genesis, the bugs of the mound eat the food Forager has brought, though he consumes alone. Another tries to take his share and he fights it off. This is interrupted by the Prime One, leader of the colony, who tells Forager they must talk. We see that Forager is unlike the other bugs. His appearance is human and he has more in common with the gods above than the bugs below. The noise of the colony affects him and he has thoughts beyond living. The Prime One encourages him and Forager realizes that if they could communicate with the Eternals, as he calls them, then they could move about freely and live in peace. Just then an alarm sounds, as armored invaders attack the colony. A battle begins. Back on Earth, Eve Donner attends to a sleeping Orion and an awake Lightray. She is fascinated by Orion and sees his face softening in the sunlight. However, he awakes and reacts in anger, which causes his face to harden and Eve pulls back. Orion grows angrier and begins shouting challenges to the heavens, calling for Darkseid to face him, so they can end it in battle (next Saturday, at the civic arena, at 7:00 pm; be there!). Eve is horrified and Lightray tells her she sees the face of destruction. On New Genesis, the battle is over, as the bugs were aided by Mantis, who has returned to the colony that spawned him. He talks of a new ally and plentiful food. Forager realizes a wrongness about Mantis and goes to find the Prime One, only to see him a prisoner... Prime One tells him to continue their quest to befriend the Eternals and find Orion. Prime One is put to death, which Forager tries to stop; but must flee, as he is pursued. He leaps into a Boom Tube, opened by Mantis, and arrives on Earth. Orion and Lightray take their leave of Eve Donner, who pities Orion's destructive nature; but he softens and promises to return, in victory. Eve changes her mind and wishes peace for Orion, that he may know something more than war. orion and Lightray go to meet Dave Lincoln and find the police waiting for them. It is here our tale ends. Another great issue! Kirby introduces the intriguing misfit, Forager, an outcast from multiple societies. He is a "bug" and a pest to New Genesis; yet he is humanoid, not insect, and an outcast in the colony. The Prime One knows his potential and sends him to bring an alliance between the colony and the Eternals. This is the first we see of Kirby using the term, which will come to use at Marvel, when he revisits his 4th World ideas. Forager is much like Captain America, leaping and tumbling, flying through panels. he's a tremendous action character and has a great depth of emotional content. He proves that Kirby could write more than just action. Meanwhile, Orion meets an Earth woman who can see beyond his monstrous true face, to the man inside. He reacts in self-loathing; but, is affected by her outlook and that of his friend, Lightray. he is starting to see beyond his instincts and origins. Here, Kirby gives us the possibility of life beyond battle, for Orion; possibly even love. Again, Kirby shows he can write with the best of them. This is Shakespearean stuff, a classic beauty taming the beast. If only Kirby could have continued; what wonders would he have brought to these two? What would have been Forager's destiny? How might the war with Apokolips have evolved? There is much for the future here and it was left untouched (mostly). Such a wasted opportunity by writers of less vision. Kirby is truly creating modern myth in the latter half of The New Gods, and he continues with the next issue. I really disliked the way Forager and Orion were handled in Cosmic Odyssey, totally ignoring that in Forager's original NG appearance Orion and Lightray treated him with respect as soon as they find out, to their amazement, that he was a sentient individual, and not just one of what they had thought was just a dangerously voracious horde of human-sized insects. Stunts like the one Starlin pulled in CO are a dead give-away to me that the writer's intentions aren't to try to understand Kirby's characters and write a story that reflects that understanding, but simply to use them in order to build up the moral superiority of the usual suspects (Batman, Superman, and the DCU superheroes in general) without regard to the nature of the characters being so used. One of many things I liked about that scene with the Earth woman was how Kirby had Orion's rage reflected in the setting, the environment in which it took place, the very elements echoing his anger in a great storm and huge, ominous shadows lowering down over the scene: an extremely effective way of showing the larger-than-life stature of his New Gods.
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 22, 2017 13:58:03 GMT -5
What the heck? Well, this being DC, last bastion of out-dated thinking, the man whose art blew away everyone, whose comics shook up the industry and took the lower tier bottom feeders that were Timely and Atlas and turned them into the Marvel powerhouse (with Stan's writing, and Ditko and Romita, Buscema, Ayers, Heck, etc, etc adding their own unique touches) wasn't good enough to draw Superman. So, while Kirby is creating the eye-popping wonder, we get the same old boring Superman and Jimmy Olsen faces, redrawn by Al Plastino (and others). Kirby's dynamic covers would be rejected for others, notably Neal Adams. Not exactly a warm welcome. I'm sure you know the "same old boring Superman and Jimmy Olsen faces" was to maintain a style continuity. Kirby's granite-headed, blocky style was not a perfect fit for all characters. Just take a look at his Spider-Man. Moreover, in JO issues to come, having a master like Neal Adams embellish or outright replace Kirby faces was no act of wrongdoing; Romita did the same at Marvel, and the effect was a benefit to both companies, certainly making . The "old" DC was largely on the shelf of history before Kirby's arrival; more adult, challenging & darker stories had already appeared in the pages of Batman, Detective Comics, Our Army at War, the last quarter of the original Teen Titans and other DC titles pre-1970. Of course, by Spring 1970, the Adams/O'Neil Green Lantern / Green Arrow was already changing the face of comics. Kirby happened to be there as it was growing, but not the catalyst.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 15:00:49 GMT -5
New Gods #12 Wait, WHAT? There were only 11 issues of Kirby's New Gods; whatyou talking about, Willis? The New Gods had been cancelled at issue 11; but, in 1975, there was talk of a revival. Kirby was approached (according to Mark Evanier's afterword, in the 4th World Omnibus, Vol 4); but turned it down, as he was going to take the offer to return to Marvel. The revival went on without him, as we have previously seen. Flash forward nearly 10 years and the 4th World characters are appearing in Superfriends: The Legendary Super Powers Show and are the backbone of the Kenner Super Powers toy line (as the big villains). There was a Super Powers mini-series, drawn by Kirby. The current regime were big fans and they went to Kirby with the offer to finish thing. They were going to launch a reprint of the original and this would cap the story off. Kirby created a story called "On the Road to Armagetto." DC wasn't happy with it. Editor Joe Orlando thought it was confusing and choppy. He agonized about approaching Kirby about it, seeking Mark Evanier's advice ("Just tell him.") Orlando did and Kirby agreed, saying the number of pages he was allotted didn't really work for a good ending. At that point, the graphic novel ending was conceived. As a warm up, to be included in the New Gods reprint and to set up the epic conclusion, a new, new story was created, "Even Gods Must Die." This is our "New Gods #12." These were the first 5 issues of the reprint series. They feature Kirby's stories on the higher grade "Baxter" paper, with more vibrant color. It is the final issue, #6, which features our story... When we left the New Gods, in 1972, Orion had killed Kalibak and swore to bring the fight to Darkseid on Apokolips. However, in the interim, Orion was alone and life was making him lonely; so, he went to a place where all the noise and the hurry could help his worries. That's right, he went DOWNTOWN.... Downtown, Armagetto, that is... Orion comes in with guns ablazin (with the Astro Force).. Orion is met by Darkseid's new mechanical war machines and defenders and he blows them up, real good! However, he gets snatched by one, from behind; but gets a little help from a couple of young lowlies and a grenade. It seems rebellion has been festering on Apokolips. More Mekkanoids are sent after them and Orion shepherds the children away; but, they run into an ambush; when, suddenly, a shaft opens up, dropping the mechanical monster down thousands of feet to destruction. It seemed to happen out of nowhere and we soon see it is the work of the Female Furies. They resent their warrior's work being taken away by machines. Granny comes to chastise them and they chase her off, with open rebellion. Finally, Darkseid's techs subdue them, with massive electrical shock. We cut to Darkseid surveying the mechanical wonder at the heart of this... Darkseid is feeling a bit melancholy. He misses his friends and an experiment is tried. Using a brain scanner, the great machine translates Darkseid's thoughts into reality and Desaad is reborn, to serve Great darkseid anew. While this goes on, orion and the kids are still on the run, when a burst of energy convinces the kids to go a separate direction. Orion finds that the bolt came from lightray, who has followed orion here, to stop him confronting and killing his father, prophesizing doom if it does. Orion reveals that his true purpose is to find and rescue his mother, Tigra, who he learned is being held and tortured here. Lightray smells a rat; but, Orion is determined to save the one person who fought against his being sent to New Genesis. Lightray helps Orion penetrate Darkseid's fortress, only to be met by a reborn Steppenwolf and his Dog Cavalry. Lightray uses illusion to defeat them and even the soldiers grumble that the revived Steppenwolf is not the warlord of old. We next see Kalibak reborn and learn that these resurrected constructs are little more than robots, lacking the spark that drove the originals. Into this comes Orion, who isn't one for clandestine warfare. he comes charging through the fortress, blasting and smashing as he goes. He bursts into this area, seeing the revived, yet chained Kalibak, Desaad, Steppenwolf and Mantis. he lunges for Darkseid, who drops his chair through an opening in the floor, down to a convenient monorail below (rather like a Gerry Anderson Supermarionation show) and orion gives chase. It is there that Darkseid reveals Tigra, chained to a platform, raised above a firepit. Orion goes to try to save her, when Darkseid triggers the ambush he arranged. His soldiers appear from behind hidden doors and riddle Orion with more bullets than in a Peckinpah film. It is there our story ends; but, we are told it will conclude in the epic graphic novel The Hunger Dogs. Kirby had been away for a while and kind of lost the thread of the story; but, he gets back into sync. I would suspect the revivals of the dead minions to be instigated by DC, since they were appearing in cartoons and as toys. The interesting thing is the resentment against the automated wonders that now run Apokolips. Even Darkseid isn't happy with it. For context, you have to remember that this was a transitional period for American manufacturing (what remained, after the 70s and the exodus to foreign soil). Automation and robotic processes had replaced many factory workers and there was much resentment. Kirby filters that into the story. We also see that rebellion has found a foothold on Apokolips. The efforts of Himon have started to pay off. There is a longing for the glory of the past (probably a bit of Kirby channeling his regret at the abrupt ending of his story) and signs that you can't really go back. This isn't perfect. It's mainly a big battle, with Orion charging through things like a mindless battering ram. Kirby tended to work on instinct and too much time had passed to just pick up the threads of the story. he wasn't in the same place, mentally and his health caused him problems. His line and eyesight weren't as sure anymore, though D Bruce Barry tries to compensate. Still, it is epic enough that it feels like it belongs. In many ways, it is like the Star Wars prequels. Too much time had passed for them to seamlessly slide in with the originals and George Lucas wasn't coming at them from the same place. Revenge of the Sith has the best elements. As we will see, Hunger Dogs has similar problems. However, this does have you jonesin to find out what will happen next, especially with the graphic violence of Orion's riddled body. That has amazing visual power to it, invoking some of Kirby's war nightmares, no doubt. The book ends with an essay from Kirby, speaking of survival. It's an interesting piece, though it leaves much unsaid and much of what is said requires contemplation of the meaning. I have seen interviews with Kirby, which give the same vibe. He often spoke metaphorically and I think that was the strength of his work. He taps into universal archetypes and crafts allegories in the grand tradition of myth, much as other epic storytellers, like Tolkien, Lucas, George RR Martin, and JK Rowling have done. This story and Kirby's essay speak of tigers and that is a great symbol for Orion and sums up this story and the conclusion to follow. The tiger has been wounded and there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded tiger. So, let us end with some suitable music...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -5
What the heck? Well, this being DC, last bastion of out-dated thinking, the man whose art blew away everyone, whose comics shook up the industry and took the lower tier bottom feeders that were Timely and Atlas and turned them into the Marvel powerhouse (with Stan's writing, and Ditko and Romita, Buscema, Ayers, Heck, etc, etc adding their own unique touches) wasn't good enough to draw Superman. So, while Kirby is creating the eye-popping wonder, we get the same old boring Superman and Jimmy Olsen faces, redrawn by Al Plastino (and others). Kirby's dynamic covers would be rejected for others, notably Neal Adams. Not exactly a warm welcome. I'm sure you know the "same old boring Superman and Jimmy Olsen faces" was to maintain a style continuity. Kirby's granite-headed, blocky style was a perfect fit for all characters. Just take a look at his Spider-Man. Moreover, in JO issues to come, having a master like Neal Adams embellish or outright replace Kirby faces was no act of wrongdoing; Romita did the same at Marvel, and the effect was a benefit to both companies, certainly making . The "old" DC was largely on the shelf of history before Kirby's arrival; more adult, challenging & darker stories had already appeared in the pages of Batman, Detective Comics, Our Army at War, the last quarter of the original Teen Titans and other DC titles pre-1970. Of course, by Spring 1970, the Adams/O'Neil Green Lantern / Green Arrow was already changing the face of comics. Kirby happened to be there as it was growing, but not the catalyst. I didn't say he was the catalyst; however, that was the feeling in fandom circles when it was announced that Kirby was coming to DC and it was the atmosphere fostered by the advance ads. Kirby had created wonders that revived Marvel, now he was coming to DC. That is the atmosphere I spoke of and the feeling I was trying to invoke. Of course, DC had been changing, under editors like Dick Giordano, Joe Kubert and Joe Orlando, who broke from tradition. Of course, Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams had been crafting more mature work; but, those were also young(ish) voices. This was the master, who had been innovating comics since the 40s, come to DC to be totally unleashed, with editorial control over his material. Or so he thought. The "continuity" argument for redrawing the faces has always felt hollow, to me. I have no doubt that was the feeling of Infantino and Julie Schwartz and it has been no secret that the entrenched editors at DC had little regard for Kirby, feeling their artists were superior. One of DC's best Silver Age artists, Gil Kane, has spoken in great length about the attitudes of the old guard and had little love for that crowd. They may have said the fixes were for "continuity" and may have been honest about that; but, others saw petty and vindictive behaviors. The problem with getting to the truth of the matter is that the records exist in the viewpoints of the observers and the weight of time that adds to memories. My opinion is this: you don't hire Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and have some apprentice repaint the Birth of Adam because you don't like the way he does faces. You hire a master to create a masterpiece and get out of the way and let him create. Kirby accepted the situation because he was a professional and had to produce 15 pages of story a week (!!!!) He didn' have time for editorial fights. He got on with things, as he had always done. I stand by my statement though, having seen some of the original Kirby faces, in the Jack Kirby Collector; Kirby's renditions were fine; they were on model; but, they were Kirby. How else do you expect him to draw? If you want Superman to look like Al Plastino, let Al Plastino draw the book. Kirby never liked people being told to emulate his style; he always told aspiring artists to create their own style. I think the same respect should have been accorded to him. If you want a different cover artists, fine; but, when Kirby is doing the interiors, you let his art stand. That's my two cents.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 17:11:19 GMT -5
Mister Miracle #12 Our story begins with Mister Miracles, strapped to a torpedo, fired from a submarine. A helicopter observes from above, carrying Oberon and an admiral. The admiral regrets approving this stunt, as he is sure that Scott is doomed. Oberon isn't too sure, himself; but, he has faith in Scott and, sure enough, he is soon discovered, floating safely in the water. Okay, as a Navy veteran, I have to comment on this sequence. I love Kirby and have a deep respect for his military service, in WW2. However, he wasn't a sailor. Torpedoes don't fly through the air, when launched by a submarine. They are fired through the water. If it had been a destroyer or PT Boat launching the torpedo, Jack would be okay. He next draws the admiral wearing an open collar shirt with his rank insignia on the collar, while also wearing shoulder boards, which are rank insignia. You don't wear both. Metal collar insignia is worn with Working Khakis or Winter Working Blues; they are never worn in conjunction with shoulder boards. Shoulder boards are worn with Summer Whites, Dress Whites, and Dress Khakis (which had been eliminated when I was an officer; but, made a comeback in recent years). Now, I would let it slide; but, he also draws the admiral with varying sized rows of ribbons. Ribbons are worn in rows of three or less, with the lesser rows at the top of the rack. If you have 9 ribbons, they are in 3 rows of three; if you have seven, they are in 2 rows of three and one row of a single ribbon (in order of award precedence). That part is standard across the military and Jack should know better. Oh well, even a genius makes mistakes. Still, that's the Army for ya! Back to the story, the torpedo stunt is witnessed by one Col. Darby, a millionaire who has made a wager that Mister Miracle will not survive an escape attempt and intends to insure it with Mystivac, an Asian idol. We cut to the admiral's office, where publicity photos are being taken, when a swabbie comes in with an alarm: the Furies are tearing up the beach and busting sailors' heads! Off we go to the beach to see sailors running from the melee (with buttons whipped off by Lashina) and bodies flying through the air (they land safely on a grassy patch); just in time to see bodies knocked into a fence (by Stompa). The admiral is presented with this scene... My favorite part is that the two sailors held in Barda's heads are still saluting the admiral! Kirby is so awesome at bring the humor into the mayhem! While the admiral contemplates retirement, Col. Darby begins his plot to win his wager. He calls up Scott and hands the phone to Mystivac, who tells Scott he wants to die! Scott's reaction is stunning... Scott gets tied up, while the women go to work. Okay, that sounds a little too much like playtime. Let's try this, Scott is practicing the act and is restrained. Barda drops a giant boulder on a see-saw, which Stompa then launches into the air, allowing Bernadeth to slice it into segments with a dimensional blade and Lashina whips them towards the struggling Scott. However, there is no miracle this time and Scott isn't even remotely close to freeing himself. Barda recognizes the trouble and launches her body to intercept the missiles. She survives and Scott asks why she interfered and she points out he wasn't even able to call for help. Col Darby seals his wagers and Ted Brown Jr accepts the challenge for MM to face Darby's deathtrap. Darby uses Mystivac to force Ted not to warn or help Mister Miracle. Scott, Oberon and Barda arrive at a temple, shipped over by Darby. they encounter Mystivac, who orders Barda and Oberon to sit and not interfere. They cannot resist. Mystivac attacks and tells Scott he has willed him to die. Scott responds that the will to survive is stronger. He dodges Mystivac's attacks until Mystivac goes full Wolverine and attacks with blades, which emerge from his hand. He still misses! Scott's will is stronger and he traps Mystivac in a hole, then pulls off his helmet, revealing not a robot; but, an alien. Col. Darby, still wanting to win, sicks his lackey on Scott, with a pistol, but he doesn't get the job done. Darby takes it on the lam; but, is tripped up by Oberon. Our story ends with our heroes triumphant and looking forward to the next challenge. Well, Scott is in full superhero mode now, with nary a sign of the 4th World, other than Barda and the Furies. I love the opening moments of the story, especially Barda and the Furies kicking tail on the beach. It would be the best beach movie ever: Beach Blanket Butt-kicking! I keep tellin' ya, WB, get on that! This is a fun little tale; nothing earth-shattering, but, fun. While this was going on, Kirby was also hard at work on his new series, Kamandi and The Demon. I've been contemplating covering Kirby's other DC work and figured, why not? With the exception of The Hunger Dogs, which is coming up, we are essentially done with Kirby's 4th World. I've already covered Kirby's contributions to 1st Issue Special, so I won't repeat those. However, that still leaves Kamandi, Demon, The Losers OMAC, Kobra, Justice, Inc, and a few other odds and ends. I'd love to cover his two magazines; but, I don't have In The Days of the Mob, in paper or digital. I do have Spirit World though; so, we'll cover that. After I have exhausted that, I will return to the 4th World and look at post-Crisis uses of the characters. I have to admit though, I have found many to be very hit and miss; so, I might breeze through some of that. There are elements I really don't like and I don't want to spend a lot of time ragging about comics I don't like. I can fall into that pit very easily and can get really negative about things like that. I prefer to stick with things I enjoy; so, if a future review seems really brief; I probably am not too big on it. I also don't intend to hit on every appearance of the 4th World characters, as DC got a lot of mileage out of them in the late 80s and 90s, into the early 2000s. I'll stick with my personal highpoints. If someone wants to chime in on something I skipped, feel free or elaborate on something I glossed over, be my guest. So, next up, we look at The Hunger Dogs; then, we will look at Mister Miracle #13, and the first issues of Kamandi and Demon.
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Post by berkley on Jan 23, 2017 0:20:04 GMT -5
Forever People #10 ... Next, Kirby gives us a bit of fan service... Homina, homina, homina......Jack certainly liked his ladies curvy! Beautiful Dreamer is doing a modelling gig, to help pay the rent and asks to take 5. The photographer isn't having it; so, she messes with his head... An idle thought: it just struck me that the imagery of Beautiful Dreamer's outfit and power-display in this scene are very similar to Sersi's in the later Eternals book at Marvel, but Kirby's style had changed a bit in the interim and I don't think Sersi ever looked quite as attractive as Beautiful Dreamer (not one of Kirby's most inspired names) does here. I think if I were the writer or editor for an Eternals series, I'd direct the artist to base his version of Sersi on these panels, in addition to the actual Eternals appearances.
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Post by berkley on Jan 23, 2017 18:04:10 GMT -5
I love Scott Free; but, a comic starring Barda and the Female Furies would have been so much cooler. I'm tellin' ya', Warner, get a Female Furies movie in production and you can make people forget Marvel. heck, it would also make people forget the Ghostbusters remake, though they would probably cast Melissa McCarthy as Stompa. Okay, here's a challenge; cast a movie version of Mister Miracle, with Scott, Barda, Oberon, and the Female Furies. Throw in Granny Goodness as the villain, and maybe Funky Flashman. Challenge accepted: Mister Miracle: Dave Franco Barda: Rhonda Rousey could do the physicality but Kate Beckinsale has more of the look. Oberon:Peter Dinklage Female Furies: Lashina: Gal Gadot (wouldn't Darkseid use a WW clone as one of his warriors? or Olivia Munn. Stompa: female wrestler/body builder Christy Wolf Granny Goodness: Ed Asner in full armor plated drag is the only way to go with our favorite Granny! Or go crazy and cast Vin Diesel?!? Funky Flashman: Paul Bettany (see his portrayal in A knight's Tale: he would do Stan proud!) Totally agree that a Barda solo series is something that should have been done ages ago. Scott Free, the Furies, etc would all make for a great supporting cast. It surprises me that no one over the years has bothered trying to fill in some of the blanks in her origin: we first see her as a young leader in Darkseid's female cadet coorps, or whatever it was called where she seems to be a young adult already. Nothing was ever said, as far as I know, about her parentage or early life. In a way, I like the fact that she is apparently unconnected with the Apokoliptan elite - if she came from the ranks of the Lowlies, it would give her a sort of "street cred" that would distinguish her in part from all the other main characters. OTOH, if we found that she was in fact related somehow to the Apokoliptan ruling class, that would make her interesting in another way, so I wouldn't complain much either way. Casting a movie version is a tough call, since these characters are so larger than life and over the top. But I think ex-MMA champ turned actress Gina Carano would have the right look for Barda as well as the physical prowess for the action scenes:
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Post by Chris on Jan 23, 2017 20:42:32 GMT -5
Okay, here's a challenge; cast a movie version of Mister Miracle, with Scott, Barda, Oberon, and the Female Furies. Throw in Granny Goodness as the villain, and maybe Funky Flashman. Barda - Gina Carano (good call, Berkley). Alternatively, Gina could make a good Lashina, and could potentially cross over into a Suicide Squad movie as Duchess. Funky Flashman - Stan Lee's voice over a digital Flashman (Stan would probably cost more than the CGI would, but worth it!) Granny Goodness - Bea Arthur. Downside; She's dead. Upside: you would need to use extensive CGI anyway, so why not a combat-ready super-powered Bea Arthur jumping all over and tearing up the landscape? Director - Kenneth Branagh
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Post by berkley on Jan 23, 2017 22:16:05 GMT -5
Darkseid - voice of Frank Langella, perhaps?
Scott Free - maybe Keanu Reeves
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 23, 2017 22:28:09 GMT -5
Darkseid - voice of Frank Langella, perhaps? Scott Free - maybe Keanu Reeves I don't know if I could take 2 hours of Mister Miracle strapped to a deathtrap and uttering, "Whooooaaaaaa........." as some missile, axe, giant steel ball, or whirring saw blades come at him. However, throw in Alex Winter as Oberon (CGI shrunken) and maybe...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 25, 2017 16:12:44 GMT -5
It all ends here! (I was going to use "Who Let the Dogs Out?"; but, 5 seconds of it told me I couldn't inflict that garbage on unsuspecting people. Besides, George Clinton!) As I spoke last time, this began life as a story called "On the Road to Armagetto, which was to conclude the New Gods epic, in the Baxter-format reprint. However, neither DC nor Jack Kirby were happy with it. DC agreed to give it more room to breath and the Hunger Dogs graphic novel was conceived. New pages were created to be added to the original story, original art was tweaked for the larger sized format, pages in the story were shuffled around, and D Bruce Barry came on to do inks (Mike Royer being otherwise engaged). The result? Well.......................... We'll get to that in a moment. First, let's see the story... When we last saw Orion, he had been riddled with "bullets" in an ambush staged by Darkseid. Our story, here. opens with the lowlies, the "Hunger Dogs" of the title, in open revolt in an area of Armagetto. They grab a sentry and stick a knife in his back. They throw grenades and molotov cocktails. Darkseid's troops counter with push-button weapons. darkseid observes in disgust. There is a rather confusing page of a conversation between Darkseid and a tech, about virtue vs expediency in war. This is part of the new material and it is really hard to figure out how the dialogue is supposed to flow. The dialogue itself is choppy and there isn't a natural progression. Kirby is making a point about modern push-button wars, where the human factor is minimized, making killing easier. Darkseid makes a point about New Genesis retaliating and about when the virtuous lose their virtue, it has a way of coming back at those who eroded it. It's a fine point lost in a sea of confusing art. The scene shifts to Orion waking up and screaming in massive pain... Now that is a powerful image! We have seen Orion battered and bruised before; but, never like this. Look at the gaping wounds, the bruising, the look of sheer agony on his face. I suspect Kirby channeled some war nightmares here. Orion is in the care of Himon, the rebel who aided and taught Scott Free, leading to his escape from Apokolips. The Hunger Dogs believe Orion is dying and start to turn on Himon, calling him a failure. Himon subdues them and expresses his disgust, in an excellent piece of writing, "Poor, ignorant Hunger Dogs! Eternally used, eternally abused. Lie for Darkseid. Die for Steppenwolf! Cry for food....and try each road to futility!" I've spoken before of the game of combining Kirby's boldly-lettered dialogue, into Beat Poetry. Lie,Die, Cry, Try. In his own idiosyncratic way, Kirby really was a poet. Himon's daughter Bekka enters the room, as Orion speaks of finding love on Apokolips. Himon wonders if he means Bekka. This seems strange, as this is her first appearance. I don't know if this odd element is due to the page shuffling or if Kirby was confused with the previously seen Eve Danner. Regardless, Orion is healed by Mother Box and his more handsome face restored. We switch to Darkseid walking to a lab, a carpet laid by whipped Hunger Dogs. There, we are introduced to Micro-Mark, the technology that has changed the war. the unseen genius behind it is crowing about how a tiny pellet can destroy whole cities. now, he has crafted a bomb that can destroy a world. The scene is interrupted by Himon, who phases in and steals the bomb, escaping before the genius can attack him. However, the genius has a counter. We see Himon arrive back home and Bekka watches as the device crumbles, thanks to the counter-mechanism of the genius. We switch to New Genesis, where plagues and monsters are destroying to unspoiled nature of the planet. Lonar arrives at Supertown and consults with Highfather. He is garbed in the trapping of the old gods, including a rather familiar looking winged helmet. Highfather forbids him from returning to the surface of the planet and shows why. We see hot spots all over the globe, indicating devices that are destroying the planet. A boom tube opens and a servant of Darkseid throws in a bomb, which Lonar catches. Lightray hears this and decides to head to Apokolips to aid Orion in stopping the destruction. he finds a barrier keeping them out and goes nove to break through. he is reunited with Orion and they are attacked by a robot, tracking Lightray. Lightray is able to reprogram and sends it to join its murderous brethren, destroying all with his improvised time-bomb. Lightray then departs in a flash, leaving Orion and Bekka to converse. The scene shifts to Darkseid's troops slaughtering Hunger Dogs, when they find a defiant crowd. Out of it comes Orion, who turns the tables on the soldier. The Hunger Dogs rise in support of Orion. Darkseid receives warning of this and consults with the twisted genius behind Micro-Mark. We find out that the horrible little told is the deformed once-beautiful child Essak. We learn that Metron abandoned Esak to search for something more, leaving Esak in charge of previous investigations into the unknown. Esak grew twisted without guidance, as he made discoveries and applied them without conscience. He has now unleashed ultimate destruction; but, he is still the little boy inside, who longs to ride with Metron on the Mobius Chair. Orion smashes through his machines and destroys them. he brings destruction to Esak and tells him that he is what the source made him. Esak lies dying and in torment. orion prays to the Source to grant him peace and remember him as he was. We see Esak transformed back to the beautiful child of old, as he succumbs to death. We shift to Orion and Bekka, together, at Himon's place. Bekka speaks of love to Orion and he shows her his true face, as a warning. Bekka teaches him that she has seen his heart, which holds his "true face" Outside, the world begins to erupt in calamity. We see New Genesis explode in a Kirby collage... Darkseid's men see the power of the weapons they have been stacking. They begin to fear their own destruction and try to dismantle the machines. The Hunger Dogs break through and begin smashing things. Darkseid retreats and finds Himon, Bekka and Orion working underground. Himon sacrifices himself so Orion and Bekka can escape with their prize, Orion's mother, Tigra. They fly off in a ship as Darkseid watches. Then, Apokolips explodes. Our final scenes are of Supertown, which left New Genesis before its destruction. The New Gods survive, to bring forth a new generation. Highfather has protected the future. We finally see Metron re-enter the story, his Mobius Chair towing a new planet, which will become the home for the New Gods. I first encountered this by accident, flipping through a graphic novel display spinner in the first comic shop I entered, in 1985. I had recently picked up the reprints and read about this. here it was. I bought it and took it back to my dorm to read. I wanted to love it, for it to be the epic end to the epic saga. It left me troubled. There is an epic quality here, in fits and starts. The story is confusing and the page reshuffling makes it worse. The original story elements seem at odds with the added material. The chronology doesn't make sense. Yet, there is a power here and an expression of ideas. Kirby seems to be making his statement about nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. Our technology had outstripped our morality. We created the weapons of our own doom. We see this in Micro-Mark and Esak's other weapons. As Darkseid warns, those weapons come back to haunt Apokolips. There is no honor in killing with a button. War is death and destruction; but, there is more honor in facing your opponent, than from doing it at a safe distance away. At least, that is how I interpret Kirby's story. Kirby was a combat veteran, I am not. I served during the first Gulf War; but was stateside. Like the rest of the country, I watched CNN footage of Tomahawk missiles being fired from ships, laser-guided smart bombs blow up buildings and vehicles. As a naval officer, I saw message traffic which spoke of weapons not covered by the media, until much later. We dropped a psi-war bomb; a large concussive bomb, the size of a trailer, from a cargo plane, creating a massive airburst and shock wave. our allies thought we had used a nuke. It served no purpose except to scare the Iraqis into surrender, which they were doing anyway. The war became an excuse to test our stockpile of technologically advanced weapons. I joked with a colleague that I could see generals Powell and Schwarzkopf sitting on a hill, drinking beers, with an armaments catalog, telling some subordinate to fire G-13, so they could see what it does. Now, we launch attacks by drone; sometimes we hit the right target, at others, we kill innocents at a wedding feast. To me, this is what Kirby spoke of. Esak is the twisted genius, abandoned by his "father" Metron. Left to explore and create wonders without moral guidance. He found the secret of creating horrible weapons. In this he parallels the Manhattan Project and Nazi atomic efforts (and things like Mustard Gas and the gassings of battlefields in WW1). He never stops to think about the moral implications of the discoveries he makes. He does it because he can; but, he never asks if he should. Meanwhile, Kirby has Orion find love, though it seems not the love he originally intended. He also rescues his mother, though it comes out of nowhere, as we don't see him finding her. Just that she is in his arms. When last we saw her, she was chained to a platform, above a firepit. How did Orion rescue her? We don't find out. The romance with Bekka seems abrupt and the page shuffling seems to be part of that problem. Kirby's art is strong in places and weak in others. Not as weak as the Super Powers mini-series; but, age and health problems affected Kirby's art. The panel layouts on several pages are headache inducing; but, there are glorious images that speak of the Kirby of old. That is what is so heartbreaking about this; we can see the glimmer of what was and the reality of what is. Maybe the New Gods should have remained the unfinished masterpiece. So, the New Gods comes to an end 20 years later. It's not a satisfying end; but, life rarely grants you the ending you want or expect. Kirby was mostly retired from this point, occasionally producing a pin-up, for things like Who's Who and anniversary tributes. He was unable to sign things at conventions and his health had its ups and downs, until he suffered a heart attack and died, in 1994. I learned of his death via a title card, on the X-Men cartoon, one Saturday morning (in the pre-internet expansion). The King was dead; but, long will his art live. The 4th World is Kirby's epic for the ages. Fantastic Four, Captain America and Thor may be what people cite; but, this was his Edda, his Odyssey, his Beowulf. Where his other books were adventure, wonder and drama, this was grandeur, poetry and metaphor. It was literature. No one has done it justice since. Oh, there are good stories and good uses of some characters; but, no one has achieved this level of epic myth. That is why Kirby was the King; he was a god in comics; the God of Epic Adventure. We have been worshipping at his altar ever since he made his presence known and will still do so, long after the other temples have crumbled into dust. For another viewpoint on The Hunger Dogs, check out Peter Sanderson's essays, at hs website... sequart.org/magazine/15891/1986-the-older-generations-farewell-the-hunger-dogs-part-1/
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