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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 4, 2014 21:10:13 GMT -5
Well, we'll see how this goes. Wonder Woman #1written by George Perez and Greg Potter, art by George Perez and Bruce Patterson Synopsis: We start with a flashback to 30,000 years ago. A dude gets his hand eaten by a tiger. When his wife tries to comfort him, he brains her with a club. This triggers some kind of mystic response from the Earth itself, which drives him into a frenzy. Cut to 1200 B.C. On Olympus, the gods debate whether to create a new race - of women - that will represent the gods on Earth and guide humanity. Ares opposes this; he would rather crush humanity and force them to submit. Zeus abstains in typical Zeus a-hole fashion. So Artemis, Athena and Demeter go off and create this race on their own. This new group, the Amazons, are all reincarnations of women who have been killed in the past at the hands of men, their souls gathered up by Gaea herself. Instead of leading mankind, though, the Amazons retreat from mankind, until at last Hercules arrives with an army to challenge them. Unbeknownst to the Amazons, Hercules has been tricked by the lies of Ares into hating them. He pretends to want peace, but when he meets with Hippolyte, he drugs her wine. He and his men capture and enslave the Amazons. Athena visits Hippolyte and reminds her of their duty - to be peaceful ambassadors. She promises to aid them if they return to this path instead of the path of seclusion they had chosen. Hippolyte frees herself and the other Amazons, but in a vengeful rage, they reject Athena's words and slaughter their captors. Hippolyte finally convinces them of the error of their ways, but one of their number, Antiope, rejects Athena and leaves to pursue vengeance. As punishment for their mistakes, Athena sends the Amazons to an island to act as jailers for a deadly, secret menace that lurks there. The Amazons build a great city. Still, Hippolyte is troubled. The seer Menalippe reveals that in her first life, before being reborn as Hippolyte, Hippolyte had been pregnant when she was killed. The trouble she feels is the yearning of her unborn daughter to finally be born. Appealing to the gods, Hippolyte is commanded to craft a child from clay. Through the will of the gods, the child is given life, infused by the reincarnated soul of Hippolyte's unborn child. Hippolyte names the child... Diana! Diana grows up and trains to become a warrior. Finally, the reverie of the island is broken. Menalippe has a vision - the gods are under attack by Ares, who commands some great power. The Amazons are bid to hold a tournament to choose a champion, who will go to the world of man and confront Ares. Diana wishes to compete, but is denied by her mother. But Diana is visited by Athena, who commands Diana to compete. Disguised, Diana wins the tournament. As winner, Diana is brought to a secret chamber, where one of the terrible secrets of the island is revealed - and ancient, deadly weapon known as the flashing thunder. Which turns out to be a gun! Hmm. Very strange. Diana faces a final test: Can she survive the power of the gun? If not, then she will never survive her journey to man's world. They try to shoot her, but she manages to deflect all the shots with her bracelets. Satisfied that she is the true champion of the gods, Hippolyte and the others give Diana a special warrior's outfit, denoting her the cmpaion of the Amazons. She emerges with it on and is acclaimed by the Amazons as their true champion: Wonder Woman! TO BE CONTINUED!!! Notes: First off, great cover from Perez. His detail is always fantastic, but for me, his design is less consistent. As a result, sometimes all the detail ends up muddying things. Here, though, the design is excellent. Just a really sharp cover. As for the story, it's interesting in that I have tried to read it before and never gotten into it. However, I wasn't reading it in the context of Wonder Woman. Now that I have that context available to me from slogging through the pre-Crisis stuff, I find this issue much more interesting and well done. On its own, it seems a bit, I don't know... Classics Illustrated. In the context of Wonder WOman, though, it's pretty great. The opening vignette is powerful and important, as it frames not just this story, but by extension the entire series, in the context of male violence towards women. I don't know how much the series will pay this off, but it's a really bold and interesting choice to lead with this. It's also interesting to me just how much they are rebooting Diana here. When it comes to the other members of the Trinity, DC"s post-Crisis reboot record is spotty at best. Batman never got a firm reboot, with the result that his continuity became muddy and confusing. Superman, on the other hand, got a reboot, but they then hedged it (a la new 52) by having a bunch of stuff be backstory for him. So even though it's a "new" continuity, he actually came with a whole complicated continuity in place, just one we now had to relearn. Again: Muddy and confusing. This is a different thing here, though, as it's a straight up, legit rebooting back to square one. Maybe they felt more confident about this sort of thing with Wonder Woman given how terrible the sales figures were on the pre-Crisis series. But it's just much cleaner and much better done here than in DC's other titles. I also find it interesting how young they are making Diana. She seems very much the naive youth here, and as a result comes across as much younger than any Diana we've seen before. I think this opens a lot of possibilities for the character once she gets to man's world, in terms of her being a fish out of water learning the realities of the world. Again, we'll see how it actually plays out, but the setup for the series and the character is really well done. And speaking of which, they also put some wheels in motion on a plot front. The main story is obviously going to be her quest to save the gods of Olympus from Ares. But they also set up some intriguing things with the secret of the island (what or who are they jailing?), their knowledge of guns (wtf is that about?), and with the departure of Antiope (I'm sure something important will come of this). The issue is very dense, both in terms of story and art, so it's a lot to digest. I'm also not too thrilled with the next issue blurb, teasing the arrival of the post-Crisis Steve Trevor - there's a character I don't think we need. But overall, in the context of Wonder Woman, this is an excellent new beginning for a character that has had way too many bad new beginnings. Whether or not the subsequent issues can live up to this promise is something I'll be interested to discover. God knows most Wonder Woman reboots in the past failed to deliver on their promises. My Grade: A
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Post by shaxper on Aug 4, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 22:19:54 GMT -5
Really happy to see this thread. I enjoyed the pre-crisis readathon, and the overall quality of this run is higher, which should make it easier for you to get thru it.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 4, 2014 22:21:23 GMT -5
Really happy to see this thread. I enjoyed the pre-crisis readathon, and the overall quality of this run is higher, which should make it easier for you to get thru it. Though far less entertaining for us
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Post by Pharozonk on Aug 4, 2014 22:59:11 GMT -5
I have no knowledge on Wonder Woman so this should be an educational thread for me.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 0:11:05 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #2written by Greg Potter and George Perez, art by George Perez and Bruce Patterson Synopsis: We meet Steve Trevor, an Air Force officer and Vietnam vet who has been sidelined due to blowing the whistle about his warmongering superiors. One of those dudes sends him out on a secret mission. Steve is uneasy, and we quickly learn he has reason to be - the general is actually a pawn of Ares. Meanwhile, Diana - decked out in her battle armor, which we see here for the first time, and which looks awesome - is waiting for a sign from the gods, who have promised her a new weapon to battle Ares. In Olympus, that weapon is being forged; it's the lasso! Hermes takes the finished product down to the island and whisks away a startled Diana. He takes her to Ares' abandoned home so she can start her search for the missing god of war, who threatens both Earth and Olympus. She enters a cave and meets Ares' daughter, who gives Diana a magic talisman that can track Ares. Just then! Hermes alerts Diana to a danger back home. It's Steve Trevor! Or, more to the point, it's his co-pilot, who is a pawn of Ares. The whole mission was a ruse to get the plane inside Paradise Island's defenses. The co-pilot drops a giant bomb on the city, intending to destroy all the Amazons! But Diana shows up, flies in, grabs the bomb and hurls it away just in time. The plane then crashes in the ocean. Diana dives in and rescues Steve. Meanwhile, back at the hidden ranch, the general who sent Steve on his mission is found dead, apparently blasted to atoms by some strange force. Hmm. I'm guessing Ares might be involved here. Call it a a hunch. On Healing Island, the Amazons debate what to do about Steve. Philippus, who seems to be Hippolyte's general or bodyguard, wants to toss him back into the sea. But Diana argues against this, as she was instructed by Neptune to save him. She also points to the similarity between her costume and the symbols of the American Air Force as some sort of sign from the gods (nice touch there). She's pretty much proven right immediately, as Athena shows up. Athena is like, "hey, sorry I haven't talked to you guys for 3,000 years, but now that we desperately need someone to save us, I suddenly find the Amazons way more interesting." She explains to Diana that there is a second half to the medallion, and Diana needs to get that first before she can use it to find Ares. And that means... going to the world of man. Diana scoops up Steve Trevor and takes off, following Hermes to America! Meanwhile! Her every move is watched by Deimos and Phobos, the twisted sons of Ares. They vow to destroy her! TO BE CONTINUED!! Notes: It's really jarring just how much story Perz and Potter and packing into these comics. Perez is doing 10+ panels per page at some points here. As a result, they can really fit in a ton of story into a short space without it feeling rushed. Overstuffed, maybe a little. But hardly rushed, and this is about as far from decompression as you can get. Why readers these days settle for 1/10th the story for five times the price is beyond me. The first couple pages with Steve Trevor, which are from his point of view, are interesting, and they also very quickly and efficiently establish a bunch of things about him. First off, he's older - a Vietnam vet, which in 1987 puts him around 35-45 years old. Perez does a pretty good job drawing different faces, unlike a lot of major artists; as a result, Steve actually looks like he's 40. It also makes me happy at the possibility thatthere may not be a romance between him and Diana this time around. If that's the case, maybe he'll be more interesting. Also: Etta Candy is his attache. There's a lot of mythology in this issue, but we also finally get to spend some time with Diana and get to know her personality. So far, they have a good grasp on her - she's wise beyond her years and compassionate, but she's also brave and acts decisively. She's still being played as young and inexperienced. I actually have a feeling her reaction to the world of man - and how that world changes her - is going to be the main focus of the series from a character perspective. At least, I hope so. That's what I would do with this setup. She also looks badass wearing her armor, which reminds me of something I forgot from issue #1: Ares looks really cool. As great as he is, George has designed some pretty godawful costumes in his day, but he's hitting on all cylinders so far here. And finally, when Hermes first appears, he mentions in passing that he gave Diana the gift of flight when she was born. So we're not going to mess around with any weirdness about flying, which sometimes cropped up in the original series, where she occasionally flew for no apparent reason and on other occasions would use her magic lasso to somehow fling herself into the air or whatever. Just giving her the power of flight makes things much simpler. My Grade: A-. So far, so good.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 0:15:25 GMT -5
One thing I also want to mention that I overlooked with #1 - and which I fell maybe has been overlooked in general when it comes to the Perez reboot - is that this series is being edited by Karen Berger. Berger, of course, would go on a couple years later to become the editor in chief for the new Vertigo line of comics and would become an industry legend in the process. The fact that the book is in such good hands at such a pivotal time in its development is a really good sign.
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Post by the4thpip on Aug 5, 2014 8:17:11 GMT -5
When I read those issues a few years ago, it struck me that Perez may have written them in "Year One" fashion, and just like with "Hawkworld", editorial messed things up a bit by bringing them into the present. The result was Diana not being a founding member of the JLA and all kinds of continuity glitches.
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Post by berkley on Aug 5, 2014 10:27:29 GMT -5
This is one of many well-known 1980s and later series that I've never read and have little interest in: don't care for DC/WW version of Greek mythology for the most part and this is my least favourite period for Perez's artwork. He did come up with a killer version of Ares visually, though. Well done, there.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 15:42:05 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #3written by George Perez and Len Wein, art by George Perez and Bruce Patterson Synopsis: Diana arrives in... Boston! None of that "Central City" type nonsense for Wonder Woman, no sir. She covertly deposits a still unconscious Steve Trevor at the hospital at Hanscom Air Force Base. Needless to say, the Air Force people there are surprised to see him. They also immediately arrest him for murder, thanks to the suspicious death of his commanding officer (who we know was actually a pawn of Ares). Meanwhile, Hermes leads Diana to Harvard University and leaves her in the company of Professor Julia Kapatelis, an expert in Greek studies. After a confused introduction in Greek (Diana does not yet speak English), the professor gets a hold of Diana's magic amulet and it gives her a mystic hoodoo whammy. She realizes something weird is going on, so she invites Diana over to her home. Meanwhile, meanwhile! Deimos and Phobos both make plans to defeat Diana. Phobos takes the direct route, creating a figurine of pure evil and mailing it to the Kapatelis residence. Deimos is trickier; he holds a rally where he manipulates a bunch of fearful, self-proclaimed "patriots" into serving evil in the name of America. In other words, he's holding the first Tea Party rally. He then goes to an identical rally in the Soviet Union. Hmm. This looks bad. Back at the Air Force base, the guy who arrested Steve now tries to kill him! Yes, this guy is also a servant of Ares. Steve escapes, but the officer shoots some guards and frames Steve for their murders as well. It lokos bad for Steve. He only has one potential ally: His attache, Etta Candy. Steve goes to her to ask for help. In Boston, both Diana and the figurine arrive at the Kapatelis home. The professors daughter, Vanessa, is there and she's not a fan of having a house guest. The professor begins teaching Diana English and discovers that Diana is some kind of genius savant, picking up on stuff really way too fast. Unfortunately, they don't get too far in their studies, however, as the figurine comes to life and turns into a hideous monster named Decay, who drains the life out of Vanessa, turning her into a pitiful, withered old shell of a person. TO BE CONTINUED!!! Notes: A lot going on in this issue. Firstly, Steve Trevor's story is actually interesting, which is the first time anyone has ever said that in history. So right there, the gang gets major kudos. Secondly, in a strange way this is kind of the first issue of the series, in that it sets up Diana's new status quo: Boston base, the Kapatelis family, her interactions with man's world, etc. Thirdly, both Deimos and Phobos set up plans that are sure to be the major focus of the next few issues. Plot wise, there's a lot to take in. There are also some character bits that are equally interesting. Diana's reaction upon meeting Vanessa, who is a teenager, is very interesting. Diana gets a big smile on her face and her thought balloon says "I've never seen another woman quite like her... she's so young... so vulnerable... so beautiful..." When you think about Paradise Island, you realize that two out of three ain't bad. Diana literally has never seen another woman who is so young. As the only child born on the island, every other woman she has met has been over 3,000 years old. And as a result, she certainly hasn't met anyone vulnerable either; pyhsically, most of the Amazons are warriors, but even those that aren't surely have a certain level of self confidence and self possession born out of millennia of experience. So someone like Vanessa really is a whole new thing for Diana. The beautiful part, though, is probably what most Wonder Woman fans focused on at the time. I'm just guessing. From my brief ventures into the Wonder Woman fan community, it's clear that a large percentage - or at least, a very vocal percentage - of the fan base is from the LBGTQ community. The idea that the Amazons would have to be lesbian or bi-sexual is a pervasive one within the Wonder Woman fan community, and it makes some sense, as it's hard to believe that these women would go three millennia without any sexual activity. Of course, this starts to get into some murky waters here when you start to think about the question of what percentage of people are actually gay. I don't think anybody really wants to discuss nature versus nurture in the context of homosexuality - anybody except Wonder Woman fans, that is. All of which is to say that regardless of whether Diana is actually a lesbian, she would have grown up in a society where that was the only type of romantic relationship, so her reaction to meeting the young, attractive and - from Diana's perspective - unique Vanessa is totally understandable. It's still also kind of surprising that they would actually bring that subtext into the story, though. I suspect that the combination of how bad the sales were on the previous series and what a big star Perez was at the time gave him latitude that other creators on other titles might not have had. Speaking of which. Here we are on issue #3 and we've already had a shakeup in the creative team. Out goes Greg Potter, in comes Len Wein. Though, I think, in somewhat different roles. Potter was actually on board the title before George joined, and after George joined, they co-plotted the story. Now, however, Wein is just doing the scripting for George's plots. I haven't been able to find what caused this, but it seems likely that Potter and Perez had some creative differences over the direction of the book and since Perez was the star, his vision won. That's just speculation, of course. Finally, I want to discuss the new setting of Boston. As a lifelong Massachusetts man, I'm pretty excited about this. Even without my own personal connection to the area, though, I think it's an interesting idea and one I wish more comics took. In the DCU, traditionally the stories have taken place in fictional cities, while in the MU, just about everything happens in New York, with occasional forays in San Francisco. Setting the stories in another location open up different storytelling opportunities. Even just getting a different flavor from all the NYC stuff in the MU is a breath of fresh air; the 400th time someone fights on the Statue of Liberty is not as interesting as the first time someone fights near the statue of Paul Revere. Of course, there's always the question of getting those details right. I'm not picking nits, because the mistakes don't bother me at all, but of course I'm very interested in just how they use Boston in the stories. There are a bunch of little details they spice in here right off the bat to establish the setting. Some of them they get right, some they get... well, almost right. For instance, the front cover is set in Boston Common. In fact, here's a photo taken from almost the exact spot Diana is landing. You can see George was working from a reference photo, because he even has the buildings correct on the left side: On page 2, there's a woman reading the Boston Globe. The back page has the front page of the sports section, with a headline reading "Bruins Game Delayed By Bomb Scare." I'm not sure what time of year this takes place; there's no snow on the ground, but the people are wearing heavier coats, so it could be during a part of the year when the Bruins were playing. However, the Boston Globe was not then, nor has it ever been to my knowledge, a tabloid. There is a separate sports section. The back page of the front section of the Globe is either news articles or ads. What this lady is reading is actually the Boston Herald, which is a tabloid and which does have the sports stuff on the back page. Small detail, but changing the name of the paper would have gotten it just right. Not that I would have wanted to be caught on panel reading a rag like the Herald either. Hanscom Air Force base is a nice touch, it's in Concord. I've driven by it a number of times but have never been on base, so I don't know how accurate the rendering of the hospital is. On page 12, though, there's another detail that they almost got right, but not quite. The caption reads "Boston at rush hour, where Route Two, as ever, has become a parking lot for the duration." The picture George has drawn isn't actually Route 2, though, it's Storrow Drive. Storrow runs parallel to Route 2 along the Charles River. Also, the Kapatelis house is said to be on Beacon Hill. Couple things here. First, the picture George drew of this on page 15 is not Beacon Hill. No way. Secondly, the professor must be a professor of gold, because even a Harvard professor would have a hard time getting the coin to buy a house on Beacon Hill. And thirdly, this is just a matter of personal preference I guess, but gosh, if I lived on Beacon Hill and worked in Harvard, I would probably not drive there, I'd take the T. It's only 3 or 4 subway stops away. Driving in Boston would just not be worth the hassle. Hell, getting parking in Beacon Hill isn't worth it. I'm not sure I would even own a car in that scenario. All very minor details (though George really could have done a lot better with the depiction of Beacon Hill). I'm stoked that this is set in Boston and so far it's adding some neat flavor. My Grade: A-.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 5, 2014 15:49:03 GMT -5
There are also some character bits that are equally interesting. Diana's reaction upon meeting Vanessa, who is a teenager, is very interesting. Diana gets a big smile on her face and her thought balloon says "I've never seen another woman quite like her... she's so young... so vulnerable... so beautiful..." When you think about Paradise Island, you realize that two out of three ain't bad. Diana literally has never seen another woman who is so young. As the only child born on the island, every other woman she has met has been over 3,000 years old. And as a result, she certainly hasn't met anyone vulnerable either; pyhsically, most of the Amazons are warriors, but even those that aren't surely have a certain level of self confidence and self possession born out of millennia of experience. So someone like Vanessa really is a whole new thing for Diana. The beautiful part, though, is probably what most Wonder Woman fans focused on at the time. I'm just guessing. From my brief ventures into the Wonder Woman fan community, it's clear that a large percentage - or at least, a very vocal percentage - of the fan base is from the LBGTQ community. The idea that the Amazons would have to be lesbian or bi-sexual is a pervasive one within the Wonder Woman fan community, and it makes some sense, as it's hard to believe that these women would go three millennia without any sexual activity. Of course, this starts to get into some murky waters here when you start to think about the question of what percentage of people are actually gay. I don't think anybody really wants to discuss nature versus nurture in the context of homosexuality - anybody except Wonder Woman fans, that is. All of which is to say that regardless of whether Diana is actually a lesbian, she would have grown up in a society where that was the only type of romantic relationship, so her reaction to meeting the young, attractive and - from Diana's perspective - unique Vanessa is totally understandable. It's still also kind of surprising that they would actually bring that subtext into the story, though. I suspect that the combination of how bad the sales were on the previous series and what a big star Perez was at the time gave him latitude that other creators on other titles might not have had. Though I like and agree with your exploration of sexuality on Paradise Island, I have to say that I never read any implied sexual attraction in what Diana observes about Vanessa. I saw it more as a mixture of admiration and approval, observing (as you've pointed out) that she's never seen someone "young" or "vulnerable" before, and finding the way Vanessa wears those qualities to be beautiful, much as the way a senior citizen continues to live independently and with grace could be described as beautiful. Diana goes on to treat Vanessa in the way that a loving aunt might, and Vanessa is way under the legal dating age for Diana, so I can't imagine Perez or DC were going for this.
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Post by the4thpip on Aug 5, 2014 15:58:34 GMT -5
I think everybody knows that "prison gay" exists. And it exists in several ways: While the vast majority of men who engage in sexual intercourse in prison (willingly) do not and will never identify as gay, sometimes the relationships get more than just physical.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 5, 2014 16:09:54 GMT -5
I think everybody knows that "prison gay" exists. And it exists in several ways: While the vast majority of men who engage in sexual intercourse in prison (willingly) do not and will never identify as gay, sometimes the relationships get more than just physical. What's generally agreed upon by sociologists is that there's a spectrum of sexuality, with some people being completely heterosexual, some people being completely gay, and most people falling somewhere between those two points. Thus, a person who is more heterosexual than homosexual is likely to identify as strictly heterosexual in Western Culture but become more receptive to homosexual impulses should the right cultural context present itself (i.e. prison or Paradise Island). This is not to say that all straight people are straight strictly because of culture, nor that they would all exhibit homosexual behavior in the right environment, but that cultural context can play a critical role for most people.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 16:12:17 GMT -5
There are also some character bits that are equally interesting. Diana's reaction upon meeting Vanessa, who is a teenager, is very interesting. Diana gets a big smile on her face and her thought balloon says "I've never seen another woman quite like her... she's so young... so vulnerable... so beautiful..." When you think about Paradise Island, you realize that two out of three ain't bad. Diana literally has never seen another woman who is so young. As the only child born on the island, every other woman she has met has been over 3,000 years old. And as a result, she certainly hasn't met anyone vulnerable either; pyhsically, most of the Amazons are warriors, but even those that aren't surely have a certain level of self confidence and self possession born out of millennia of experience. So someone like Vanessa really is a whole new thing for Diana. The beautiful part, though, is probably what most Wonder Woman fans focused on at the time. I'm just guessing. From my brief ventures into the Wonder Woman fan community, it's clear that a large percentage - or at least, a very vocal percentage - of the fan base is from the LBGTQ community. The idea that the Amazons would have to be lesbian or bi-sexual is a pervasive one within the Wonder Woman fan community, and it makes some sense, as it's hard to believe that these women would go three millennia without any sexual activity. Of course, this starts to get into some murky waters here when you start to think about the question of what percentage of people are actually gay. I don't think anybody really wants to discuss nature versus nurture in the context of homosexuality - anybody except Wonder Woman fans, that is. All of which is to say that regardless of whether Diana is actually a lesbian, she would have grown up in a society where that was the only type of romantic relationship, so her reaction to meeting the young, attractive and - from Diana's perspective - unique Vanessa is totally understandable. It's still also kind of surprising that they would actually bring that subtext into the story, though. I suspect that the combination of how bad the sales were on the previous series and what a big star Perez was at the time gave him latitude that other creators on other titles might not have had. Though I like and agree with your exploration of sexuality on Paradise Island, I have to say that I never read any implied sexual attraction in what Diana observes about Vanessa. I saw it more as a mixture of admiration and approval, observing (as you've pointed out) that she's never seen someone "young" or "vulnerable" before, and finding the way Vanessa wears those qualities to be beautiful, much as the way a senior citizen continues to live independently and with grace could be described as beautiful. Diana goes on to treat Vanessa in the way that a loving aunt might, and Vanessa is way under the legal dating age for Diana, so I can't imagine Perez or DC were going for this. Well, maybe not. This is just an impression of their first meeting, I don't know where they are going with it. I'll take your word on how it develops. But I don't think it's a crazy first impression for a reader to get. The difference in their relative ages is not obvious to me. Given how young and inexperienced Diana is being portrayed as at times here, my impression from this issue - again, just from their initial meeting, which was only a couple panels - is that they are close to the same age. With Diana being, say, 18? And Vanessa 16? Some of this is hard to guess, though, thanks to changing fashions. However old Vanessa is supposed to be, thanks to her hair and clothes, she now looks like she's about 35. Only in the context of a later panel where she's on her bed surrounded by stuffed animals does she look like a teenager. And Diana's age is vague as well. She might be as old as, what, 20? 22? Obviously, if she's 18 and Vanessa is 16, that's very different from Diana being 22 and Vanessa being 14. But the art and characterizations aren't clear. Also, this short meeting is immediately followed by Vanessa calling her boyfriend, which felt a little like the writers setting up future tension - you know, Diana is interested, but Vanessa is straight! What will happen?! Frankly, I'm glad to hear they aren't going there with this. Still, here's the panel in question. Given the thought balloon and the look on Diana's face, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume romantic interest from this panel and sequence, even if later events eventually prove this impression wrong. :
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 5, 2014 16:24:07 GMT -5
She looks like Elaine from Seinfeld.
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