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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 16:49:31 GMT -5
She looks like Elaine from Seinfeld. If Elaine were gay.
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Post by SJNeal on Aug 5, 2014 16:53:22 GMT -5
I have no knowledge on Wonder Woman so this should be an educational thread for me. Wait, what?! Why not???
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 17:03:54 GMT -5
One other detail about this issue I wanted to mention in regards to the Boston bit. Twice people in this issue comment on Wonder Woman's costume, believing it to be part of a "Founders Day Celebration." We have no such beast here, but we do have Patriots' Day, which is about the best holiday of the year. It commemorates the battles of Lexington and Concord that started the Revolutionary War in 1775. It takes place in April.
I can't think of any reason they wouldn't have just called it Patriots' Day in the comic, though, if that's what they meant. And looking ahead to #4, there are scenes where there's a lot of snow, and it's mentioned that it's winter. It certainly is possible for it to snow in April, but it's extremely unlikely they would get any kind of accumulation.
Not sure what they are doing with this. I guess this is one of the drawbacks faced when putting your story in a real place; if this was Star City, they could just make up whatever and nobody would notice. Since it's in Boston, though, I am a little puzzled why they didn't set it in April and use Patriots' Day if they wanted an excuse for the costume. And if it's important that these scenes are in winter, not sure they needed a fake holiday to explain away the costume. It's a very minor detail either way.
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Post by SJNeal on Aug 5, 2014 17:45:14 GMT -5
Great reviews so far, Scott!!!
It's always nice to see a new perspective on one's favorite comics, and it's been a long time since I've seen anyone say anything positive about Perez' run.
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Post by Pharozonk on Aug 5, 2014 17:53:32 GMT -5
I have no knowledge on Wonder Woman so this should be an educational thread for me. Wait, what?! Why not??? The character has never really interested me to be honest. I like Greek mythology though.
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Post by SJNeal on Aug 5, 2014 18:10:25 GMT -5
Wait, what?! Why not??? The character has never really interested me to be honest. I like Greek mythology though. Got it. You should track down the 4 Perez WW trades, you can find them relatively cheap online. But do it soon, so that you can read along with this thread!
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Post by Pharozonk on Aug 5, 2014 18:12:14 GMT -5
The character has never really interested me to be honest. I like Greek mythology though. Got it. You should track down the 4 Perez WW trades, you can find them relatively cheap online. But do it soon, so that you can read along with this thread! Doh! I already spent my comic money on Levitz's Legion of Superheroes run yesterday.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 5, 2014 18:29:31 GMT -5
Cool. I keep meaning to re-read (or read for the first time) some of these comics, but I never get around to it. I think I'm scared off by all those tiny little panels and all that damn clutter. As a Tothian that stuff gives me hives.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 5, 2014 21:52:41 GMT -5
One other detail about this issue I wanted to mention in regards to the Boston bit. Twice people in this issue comment on Wonder Woman's costume, believing it to be part of a "Founders Day Celebration." We have no such beast here, but we do have Patriots' Day, which is about the best holiday of the year. It commemorates the battles of Lexington and Concord that started the Revolutionary War in 1775. It takes place in April. I can't think of any reason they wouldn't have just called it Patriots' Day in the comic, though, if that's what they meant. And looking ahead to #4, there are scenes where there's a lot of snow, and it's mentioned that it's winter. It certainly is possible for it to snow in April, but it's extremely unlikely they would get any kind of accumulation. Not sure what they are doing with this. I guess this is one of the drawbacks faced when putting your story in a real place; if this was Star City, they could just make up whatever and nobody would notice. Since it's in Boston, though, I am a little puzzled why they didn't set it in April and use Patriots' Day if they wanted an excuse for the costume. And if it's important that these scenes are in winter, not sure they needed a fake holiday to explain away the costume. It's a very minor detail either way. I had no idea this was set in Boston... that totally escaped me when I read a few of these way back (I recall grabbing a couple due to the Perez are after I was done with New Teen Titans)... I'll have to go look at them again. Incidently, it could easly be April and give with snow and the Bruins playing, no problem... Patriots Day is pretty cool... when else do you get a Baseball game at 11 AM?
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 22:00:37 GMT -5
Well, it could snow in April, but it's pretty rare for there to be any major accumulation. In #4, as we are about to see, there's a fair amount of snowfall and everyone is pretty well decked out in winter gear. It just doesn't feel like April. Though, on the other hand, the stuff in #3 doesn't exactly feel like January either, so... we'll see how it plays out.
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Post by Action Ace on Aug 5, 2014 22:18:15 GMT -5
Let me see how long my Wonder Woman gap was... Last Pre-Crisis issue bought was #283 (June 1981) and I was buying it for the Huntress vs Joker backup! (two issues before the WW costume change) Next Wonder Woman bought was #58 (July 1991.) Surely an event called War of the Gods would be a good time to pick up Wonder Woman again? I did get the Perez run a few years later, most likely because George Perez is the greatest comic book interior artist of all time. I think it's one of the better runs in Wonder Woman history. (not that there's a lot of competition ) Having read Shaxper's quick take in another thread, I'm in general agreement with him on the various parts of the era. I didn't find the setting of Boston that odd because most Wonder woman stories I've read either had her working at the Pentagon or the United Nations. I realize they needed a WOW! moment for Legends, but the fact she debuted so late in the Post Crisis DCU never sat well with me.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 5, 2014 22:31:19 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #4written by George Perez and Len Wein, art by George Perez and Bruce Patterson Synopsis: Diana manages to rescue the professor and Vanessa from their collapsing house, but Decay gets away. Diana chases her. Meanwhile, in various subplots: Etta Candy, working on Steve's behalf, sneaks into a secure area at the Air Force base and finds files about "The Ares Project." On Olympus, the gods plan a last ditch effort of some kind. Back on Earth, Diana battles Decay. It goes poorly until Diana remembers her lasso. She wraps Decay up in it. Since the lasso was forged form the girdle of Gaea, it pulses with Gaea's life-giving power - the opposite of decay. The life energy overwhelms Decay - and Decay explodes! I think we can decisively score that one for Diana. The media also thinks so; they gather around her and ask her a bunch of questions, but she doesn't understand what is happening and flies off. That doesn't stop the media from creating a hullaballoo around Diana. In a nice bit of meta commentary, the folks at the Boston Globe (more on this later) discuss how Superman's arrival sent sales of the Daily Planet through the roof, so they are eager to cash in on their own superhero. Noting the logo on Wonder Woman's costume - a stylized bird that also happens to look like two Ws - they decide to call her Wonder Woman. Ta-da! Steve Trevor gets an eyeful of the media coverage and realizes she's the same person who saved him when his plane crashed. He decides she can therefore clear his name, so he and Etta track her down. She's at the professor's "winter home," which in this case is just another house she owns where it snows a lot. That's... basically the opposite of how winter homes are supposed to work. But, anyway. She and the professor are trying to crack the secrets of the amulet, because despite Decay's death, Vanessa is still a shriveled old hag. Just then! Diana sees Steve skulking about. She goes outside and confronts him. As far as she's concerned, he tried to drop a bomb on Paradise island, so things are pretty tense. But then they hear Etta shouting. They rush over and find one of Steve's Air Force buddies standing over a prone Etta, with his gun drawn! NO!!! Now we may never find out the secret of her French WWII fiance!!!! TO BE CONTINUED!! Notes: Four issues in and we get our first real fight sequence with Wonder Woman. She betrays her inexperience by pretty much getting her butt kicked and doing dumb things, but figures it out just in time. It's a nice change from the super competent older Wonder Woman we're used to, and in perfect keeping with how she's been depicted so far. Besides the fight scene, the subplots all advance. Phobos' plan has now failed, but Deimos is still working on his own plan, which no doubt will come into effect next issue. Steve's subplot also meets up with Diana's again. It's interesting; their stories just split up last issue, but thanks to the density of the plotting here, it already feels like it's been forever. We get our first lettercolumn here. In it, Karen Berger indicates this first arc, with the search for Ares, is going to run through issue #6. Honestly, it feels like that might not be enough time, but we'll see. It might not be enough time - she also says that Cheetah will be appearing in #7 or #8, but in fact she doesn't appear until #9, so it's possible this first arc does end up being extended. Boston Stuff: We get some more Boston stuff here. Firstly, my commentary about the Boston Globe not being a tabloid gets nullified, as they rename the newspaper the Boston Globe-Leader. I assume this is for legal reasons. By the same token, when the newscasters show up, they are from channel 3. There's no Channel 3 here; the real channels at the time would have been 2, 4, 5, 7, 25, 38 and 56. But they probably wanted to avoid any potential problems they might have had if they had made it channel 4, and made the newscaster Jack Williams instead of a guy named Fred who just looks like Jack Williams. As we've been discussing, I'm still not sure what time of year this is supposed to be taking place in. Some of the people in the crowd scenes are wearing scarves or winter hats, but very few of them. It doesn't look so much like full winter gear as it does maybe November or March clothing. That changes when they go to the "winter home" - again, that's not how winter homes work - and there's a full-on snowstorm raging. I am glad they moved them out of the city, though, because the house on "Beacon Hill" that blew up was so obviously not on Beacon Hill. Wein somehow describes the Beacon Hill house as a "suburban Boston home," which is just... I mean, Beacon Hill is literally in the dead center of the city. It's not suburban at all. It's like saying The Dakota in NYC is suburban because it's near Central Park. It's as urban as you can possibly be, man! In other flavor bits, one of the professor's neighbors in NOT Beacon Hill is wearing an M.I.T. sweatshirt throughout. During Diana's battle with Decay, Diana throws the Boston Massacre Monument at Decay. This is a real thing, but for some reason George didn't use photo reference for it, as his version doesn't look much like the real one. There's also a bit during the Decay sequence where she seems to destroy the Pru. No follow up to this development, but given that's the biggest building in the city and dominates the skyline, that would kind of be a major big deal. My Grade: A-. Everything is still humming along.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 6, 2014 23:40:58 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #5writing by George Perez and Len Wein, art by George Perez and Bruce Patterson Synopsis: The last ditch plan of the gods is revealed, and it's... giving up. Yes, they all pile onto a death barge that will take them to the afterlife. But Athena and Artemis are like, "you know, let's wait juuuuust a little longer on the off chance Diana actually somehow wins." Which makes sense. I mean, why exactly go to all the trouble to set her on this quest if you're just going to commit suicide before she's even had a chance to complete it? Back at the hidden ranch, the gang... oh, you were wondering about that cliffhanger last issue? Don't worry, it was a complete fake out - Etta merely was surprised and slippe don a patch of ice. This "alligator in the transom" moment brought to you by the writing team of Perez and Wein! Anyway, the gang figures out that the "Ares Project" has to do with taking over nuclear facilities and starting World War III between America and the Soviets. They try to warn the government, but too late -- Ares' men have taken over the silos. Luckily, Diana has a plan, she'll use the amulet to find the bad guys and attack them! I know, you thought she needed the other half. Well, Diana realizes she can just hold it up to the mirror and the mirror image will provide the other half! I know that sounds stupid, but it's magic, so deal. She holds the amulet up to the mirror and WHAMMO! The whole lot of them is transported to Hades, where Deimos is like, "oh, hai." They battle Deimos' demons, but things go pear shaped when Phobos sticks his nose in and uses his powers to create physical manifestations of their worst fears. Unfortunately for him, Diana isn't afraid of anything, so his powers don't work on her. So Deimos decides to handle it using the magic of his epic beard! His beard grabs her and strangles her. In response... ... Diana throws her tiara at him so hard it literally lops his head clean off!! Wow, I did not see that coming. That's, like, one step short of Hooty the owl cannonballing through the bad guy's chest. With Deimos dead, they get the actual other half of the amulet, which Deimos had on him. They join the pieces together and it whisks them away - to an ambush. Ares kind of knew this was coming after all. In fact, Ares himself shows up and presses the big red button starting the nuclear holocaust, just before he decides to get around to executing Diana and her friends. TO BE CONTINUED!!! Notes: This issue felt just a little rushed. Last issue I speculated that they might not be able to tie everything up by issue 6, but the solution apparently is to just plow through stuff willy nilly to get to the payoff. Not that it's bad by any means, but it does lead to a little sloppiness. The whole fake cliffhanger last issue was a major cheat, for example, and Diana using the mirror felt half baked as well. The big shock, though, was obviously Diana just outright killing Deimos by cutting his head off! That's a new side to her, all right. I was not expecting that. I mean, I know Diana has done stuff like that in recent years, but given how she's been portrayed so far in this series, it was a big surprise. It's not really out of character, but it did seem to come about a little abruptly. The lettercolumn this month also has some bits of interest in it, namely someone writes in and asks why Greg Potter left. Karen Berger responds that he left of his own volition in order to pursue more work at his ad agency. That could very well be true. I haven't read any other explanations, anyway. Boston Stuff: None. My Grade: B. A little bumpy compared to the previous issues.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 6, 2014 23:47:00 GMT -5
Synopsis: The last ditch plan of the gods is revealed, and it's... giving up. Yes, they all pile onto a death barge that will take them to the afterlife. This was one of the most memorable moments of the series for me. In the Hero Monomyth Cycle, it's standard for the mentor to eventually die or be otherwise removed so that the protagonist can mature into his/her own hero, but this departure comes way too early for Diana, and it's not just a powerful mentor -- it's her gods, the very basis of her identity and understanding of the universe. You'll find that the run is shaky and uneven throughout -- the immediate conflicts are rarely as rich as the characterizations and overall directions, but this moment truly stuck out to me as a highlight.
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Post by SJNeal on Aug 7, 2014 11:10:57 GMT -5
I actually remember very little from #5 beyond Deimos death, and the awesome cover (which still remains a favorite!).
Considering Greg Potter's name never graced another DC comic (to my knowledge), I don't think there was anything more to his departure beyond Berger's explanation. I could be wrong though - maybe he was miffed that the artist was dictating too much of the books direction, a la the infamous Claremont/Lee split...?
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