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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 24, 2020 17:12:10 GMT -5
So, good news and bad news. The good news is that my wife and I did an online gig last week to raise money for the Refuge charity, which helps victims of domestic violence -- and at the moment particularly victims of domestic violence who are trapped in lockdown with their abusers -- and we raised £454. I was really pleased with that. The bad news is that although the UK government have announced that pubs will be allowed to re-open from 4th July, live music performance in pubs is still forbidden for the foreseeable future, as is recorded music and even TV sports broadcasts. They are worried about airborne transmission of the virus. So, you can't have anything in the pub that will encourage people to shout at each other (like a live music or a loud disco) or cheer and hug (like a football match) or get too close to each other (like dancing). So, that means I'm still unemployed with no end to it in sight. I'm glad it went well...sorry about the continued unemployment, and utterly perplexed by that bolded portion. I take some comfort that we aren't the only place with a government that makes no damn sense. Okay...not much comfort.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 24, 2020 21:20:50 GMT -5
Hey, Confessor, your talents deserve an audience and wage. I hope things change soon. Thanks, taxidriver. ...but let me guess... Smoking is still allowed in the U.K., right? 78,000 deaths annually, according to the NHS. So that kind of numbers should be seen as an acceptable risk. You can't smoke in enclosed public spaces like pubs in the UK anymore. It's been that way for almost a decade. I don't think that allowing musicians to perform in pubs where there are people anyway poses any kind of extra risk to the population. Unless you like to lick your audience, which I somehow doubt. In for a penny, in for a pound... if it's safe to go to the pub, it should be safe to have live music there too. I agree. Which business are allowed to work and which aren't seems a bit arbitrary. Like, hair salons can open on 4th July, but nail bars can't. Baffling. I'm glad it went well...sorry about the continued unemployment, and utterly perplexed by that bolded portion. I take some comfort that we aren't the only place with a government that makes no damn sense. Okay...not much comfort. The really bizarre thing is that theatres are allowed to open, but they're not allowed to have live performances in front of an audience. I mean, that's just mental!
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 24, 2020 22:01:43 GMT -5
I've had a sinus headache that would not go away (not for long anyway) for the last while. Now this morning it's eased off and stayed barely noticeable... but should I consider that it may be the big virus? I've never had this kind of thing before. We have been doing extremely well in this areas for low numbers of infections, many days at O new cases for the island I'm on, provincially at 13 the other day while Arizona had almost 3,600 that same day (that almost seems impossible), but still I guess it's possible, though it seems like going to a clinic or doctor's office to find out would be more hazard than worth it... I'm not sure I'm thinking entirely straight, but then all norms seem no longer reliable in many ways. I guess I'll just hope it stays minor or goes away and that my parents don't get anything.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 24, 2020 22:07:48 GMT -5
The Covid waltz continues strongly here in Phoenix. Friday at midnight Arizona government put in place a mandate for ALL to wearing face masks in public gatherings, stores, etc. If you break this mandate the 1st time you receive a written "warning/citation" from Police and then for every violation after it is a $50 fine for going around unmasked. There are exemptions (no mask if eating/drinking, religious beliefs, exercising/sports) but the city is in a surge with waves of people either ignoring or saying it "violates" their personal freedom as they continue to go about without a face mask. Will it violate their freedom to die from ignorance and stupidity should be the question! Friday night here at my hospital we converted a 30 bed Observation unit for Covid admissions of any patients with symptoms so we can evaluate and if appropriate having them tested. Results are running anywhere from 36-52 hours for receiving an answer and having these patients off the ICU units allows ICU having more bed space to handle those who have tested positive and providing the best possible care. Well, over the weekend we had so many walk-ins the 30 beds filled up by Sunday and so we spent all of yesterday converting one of our/my departments Medical-Surgical General units (basically any type of medical issues is what we cover: the covers EVERYTHING department we call ourselves) into another 30 bed unit for admissions/testing. In case others are not really understanding: this is some serious overloading of the hospital and staff. This means we have 5 floors of ICU patients (30 to each floor so 150 rooms) and now another 60 rooms additional devoted to JUST COVID PATIENTS that are continuously filled and rotating patients in and out of those 210 rooms daily as medically necessary. PROTECT YOURSELVES FOLKS! Until there is a major turn in resolving the Covid Virus or an immunization is developed (likely a year away at least) or people take this seriously and STOP GATHERING IN LARGE GROUPS without proper protection, it falls upon ALL OF US doing everything possible to protect others and ourselves. We have had some mainly young people even up here say they don't think this virus can affect them and see no reason to wear a mask or distance and do other things. I just don't understand where they're coming from, they are obviously not thinking of the people out there doing the difficult jobs in healthcare. I suppose there might be a need to show the names and stories of the young people who have died? But even not dying they might transmit to someone else who will.
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Post by impulse on Jun 25, 2020 9:45:33 GMT -5
I've had a sinus headache that would not go away (not for long anyway) for the last while. Now this morning it's eased off and stayed barely noticeable... but should I consider that it may be the big virus? I've never had this kind of thing before. We have been doing extremely well in this areas for low numbers of infections, many days at O new cases for the island I'm on, provincially at 13 the other day while Arizona had almost 3,600 that same day (that almost seems impossible), but still I guess it's possible, though it seems like going to a clinic or doctor's office to find out would be more hazard than worth it... I'm not sure I'm thinking entirely straight, but then all norms seem no longer reliable in many ways. I guess I'll just hope it stays minor or goes away and that my parents don't get anything. There is no harm in getting tested if it is accessible to you, but that does not sound like COVID-19. The Rona is a lower respiratory infection and from what I understand is not typically associated with sinuses. More like persistent dry cough, labored breathing etc. **edit** I should add that I am not in any way a medical professional and am just reiterating what I've picked up reading and speaking with our pediatrician, etc. By all means double check on any of this.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 25, 2020 12:50:34 GMT -5
I should add that I am not in any way a medical professional and am just reiterating what I've picked up reading and speaking with our pediatrician, etc. By all means double check on any of this. I usually don't get affected by pollen like others do, but once time in Alaska there were orange mists of something from some trees that did a number on me where I had to get pills to dry the sinuses. It could be some strange thing like that in the air here lately. It seemed to start getting better a day or so after a bit of rain. From awful headaches down to just a runny nose now, but I'm washing my hands a lot by routine these days. I would kill myself if I somehow gave my parents something right now. --- I'm separated for the longest time ever from my BF... he was on his way up just when Seattle went on lockdown in March and he didn't want to risk bringing anything to my parents. And now the border is closed between us, and looking to be closed a very long time now. I guess this is what military wives go through. Insert large Wah! here.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2020 5:22:55 GMT -5
So, good news and bad news. The good news is that my wife and I did an online gig last week to raise money for the Refuge charity, which helps victims of domestic violence -- and at the moment particularly victims of domestic violence who are trapped in lockdown with their abusers -- and we raised £454. I was really pleased with that. The bad news is that although the UK government have announced that pubs will be allowed to re-open from 4th July, live music performance in pubs is still forbidden for the foreseeable future, as is recorded music and even TV sports broadcasts. They are worried about airborne transmission of the virus. So, you can't have anything in the pub that will encourage people to shout at each other (like a live music or a loud disco) or cheer and hug (like a football match) or get too close to each other (like dancing). So, that means I'm still unemployed with no end to it in sight. ...but let me guess... Smoking is still allowed in the U.K., right? 78,000 deaths annually, according to the NHS. So that kind of numbers should be seen as an acceptable risk. I don't think that allowing musicians to perform in pubs where there are people anyway poses any kind of extra risk to the population. Unless you like to lick your audience, which I somehow doubt. In for a penny, in for a pound... if it's safe to go to the pub, it should be safe to have live music there too.
Hey, Boris... overdoing it toward the end won't compensate for doing too little in the beginning! The risk from Confessor to the audience is minimal, it's the audience infecting each other that's the risky part. I wouldn't slam Boris over his actions, as I feel every leader got it wrong at the beginning with a few exceptions.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 26, 2020 5:34:06 GMT -5
...but let me guess... Smoking is still allowed in the U.K., right? 78,000 deaths annually, according to the NHS. So that kind of numbers should be seen as an acceptable risk. I don't think that allowing musicians to perform in pubs where there are people anyway poses any kind of extra risk to the population. Unless you like to lick your audience, which I somehow doubt. In for a penny, in for a pound... if it's safe to go to the pub, it should be safe to have live music there too.
Hey, Boris... overdoing it toward the end won't compensate for doing too little in the beginning! The risk from Confessor to the audience is minimal, it's the audience infecting each other that's the risky part. I wouldn't slam Boris over his actions, as I feel every leader got it wrong at the beginning with a few exceptions. That's my point: the audience is allowed to be there, just not the musicians. It's a pub. People go to the pub even without music. Once you allow pubs to reopen, it should make no difference whether there's live music or not.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2020 6:22:54 GMT -5
The risk from Confessor to the audience is minimal, it's the audience infecting each other that's the risky part. I wouldn't slam Boris over his actions, as I feel every leader got it wrong at the beginning with a few exceptions. That's my point: the audience is allowed to be there, just not the musicians. It's a pub. People go to the pub even without music. Once you allow pubs to reopen, it should make no difference whether there's live music or not. Many of these rules are just to show the public/ government that the establishment is doing something , even if the rules don't make sense. Last week my wife and I ate out in an outdoor restaurant. We had to have masks to get seated but didn't have to wear them when we sat down. The truth is that we all have to take the risk ( with exceptions to the sick, elderly) if we don't want to be in breadlines from now on.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 26, 2020 11:07:05 GMT -5
That's my point: the audience is allowed to be there, just not the musicians. It's a pub. People go to the pub even without music. Once you allow pubs to reopen, it should make no difference whether there's live music or not. Many of these rules are just to show the public/ government that the establishment is ding something , even if the rules don't make sense. Last week my wife and I ate out in an outdoor restaurant. We had to have masks to get seated but didn't have to wear them when we sat down. The truth is that we all have to take the risk ( with exceptions to the sick, elderly) if we don't want to be in breadlines from now on. But you and your wife took a careful, calculated risk in an environment that was following relatively strict guidelines (I hope). Waitstaff wearing masks; surfaces frequently cleaned; tables six feet apart; disposable or digital menus, etc. Look at the scenes from around the US and you'll see that it's been like the Wild West in many places, and the consequences of reckless behavior are starting to be felt in hospitals. And eventually, morgues.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 26, 2020 11:21:19 GMT -5
Feeling the Covd Crunch here at the hospital again today. Bunch more Covid patients waiting for rooms in the ED. Meeting this morning for Administration to discuss converting another 30 bed unit for Covid admits.
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Post by impulse on Jun 26, 2020 12:50:10 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of states here that reopened prematurely are shutting down again now effective immediately because cases, unsurprisingly, have been skyrocketing unabated as hordes of people are ignoring expert advice because... I don't know why, actually. I would think self-preservation instincts would kick in at some point, but here we are.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 26, 2020 13:22:42 GMT -5
I suspect that they're going to find that this virus' incubation period can be much longer than anyone thought. People can catch it and infect others for several weeks before they notice that they're sick.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 26, 2020 13:29:10 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of states here that reopened prematurely are shutting down again now effective immediately because cases, unsurprisingly, have been skyrocketing unabated as hordes of people are ignoring expert advice because... I don't know why, actually. I would think self-preservation instincts would kick in at some point, but here we are. I suppose it's a combination of things. First, the dearth of kids dying. I'm not being insensitive, here; just pointing out that when grandma dies of covid-19, even if it hurts, it doesn't seem to be against the natural order of things. We'd wish our elderly relatives to live longer, but we expect them to go one day. If it wasn't covid, it might well be something else. Spanish flu, meanwhile, killed babies, children, teens, young adults and *ahem* mature adults on top of the elderly, and probably gave people a much stronger sense of urgency. So would Ebola, because of the gruesome symptoms associated with it. The young being by and large quite resistant to covid, they naturally develop a certain sense of invincibility toward it; the risk of carrying the virus and infecting others, while quite germane to the issue, is more of an abstract concept than the memory of a kid brother dropping dead would be. There's also the relative risk associated with covid-19. In the US, there are now over 100,000 dead. While a lot, it is something like only three times the number of people killed in car accidents (and we still drive cars), about three times the number of deaths associated with a bad flu season (which nobody really cares about), about three times the number of people shot and killed (but Americans still buy guns, and in greater numbers) and less than one quarter of the people killed annually by cigarettes (but 14% of Americans still smoke). In other words, perhaps a lot of people think "sure, this is bad, but not that bad". There's also the contradictory messages that the population receives, depending on who they trust. Some higher-ups (not in the medical field, but still in a position of authority) insist that the crisis is over and that we should just resume our lives as if nothing had happened. Enough people believe that, I'm sure, to make a difference in terms of new infections. I'm pretty sure that when a vaccine becomes available, there'll be a lot of people who will refuse to take it because they have more faith in Madame Zelda's flat-Earth esoteric detox naturopathy than in Dr. Fauci's actual expertise.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 26, 2020 13:57:08 GMT -5
I suspect that they're going to find that this virus' incubation period can be much longer than anyone thought. People can catch it and infect others for several weeks before they notice that they're sick. And apparently get sick again. The antibodies aren't lasting as long as they'd hoped.
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