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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 10, 2020 8:02:45 GMT -5
I pray that you get a situation that is best for you, even if it's at another company.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 8:14:43 GMT -5
I hope things work out for you, Brutalis. Your post is a reminder that while unions are necessary, sometimes corporations do have the upper hand. And it’s probably very tiring to fight such things. The scenarios you describe make no sense and are unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 8:17:46 GMT -5
I’m not religious, but I notice that BC and AD seem to have been replaced by BCE and CE in many books I read.
Damn!
Firstly, I learnt a lot of historical dates at school, which I can remember thanks to BC and AD. BCE and CE seem very cold and clinical.
Plus, hey, the comic 2000 AD. 2000 CE just wouldn’t have had the same ring to it. ;-)
I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me.
This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -5
I’m not religious, but I notice that BC and AD seem to have been replaced by BCE and CE in many books I read. Damn! Firstly, I learnt a lot of historical dates at school, which I can remember thanks to BC and AD. BCE and CE seem very cold and clinical. Plus, hey, the comic 2000 AD. 2000 CE just wouldn’t have had the same ring to it. ;-) I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. Yeah, if you're still going to use the same event, fictional or not, as the dividing line between positive and negative year-counting, then changing your designations for positive and negative years to obscure that event is kinda silly. Go whole-hog and find a better dividing line.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 10, 2020 8:41:59 GMT -5
I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. I'm more than not religious, I'm a devout atheist (if there is such a thing). But I find nothing wrong with BC and AD. They've been used for so long, they now have squat to do with religion. Just like using words like Wednesday, Thursday or Friday has nothing to do with worshipping the Norse gods.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2020 9:52:03 GMT -5
I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. It's much less to do with secularism and much more to do with the fact that there is much more to the world than Europe and America. A.D literally means "in the year of our Lord." For 71% of the world that is simply not the case. The Common Era nomenclature dates to at least the early 1700s and was used extensively by Jewish scholars, who, shock of shocks, didn't see Jesus as their Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:07:23 GMT -5
Well, it does seem more inclusive. I’ve just been reading some Wikipedia links on BCE and CE. Most interesting. I did say I had zero proof about the secularism assumption, it’s interesting to read of the rationale behind it. Interesting to learn that the nomenclature dates back to the 1700s.
People do criticise Wikipedia - and I can be mindful of errors - but checking BCE and CE out just now leads one to many interesting links.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:08:30 GMT -5
I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. It's much less to do with secularism and much more to do with the fact that there is much more to the world than Europe and America. A.D literally means "in the year of our Lord." For 71% of the world that is simply not the case. The Common Era nomenclature dates to at least the early 1700s and was used extensively by Jewish scholars, who, shock of shocks, didn't see Jesus as their Lord. You're still counting from a certain year because it's the alleged birth year of a religious figure. I never understood what's "common" about "Common Era". The best I can come up with is that "Jesus is common to all of us", which is just as offensive as Anno Domini. If you're going to putz around with that kind of thing, it only makes sense to completely divorce the event in question from our dating system. We want to keep the dividing line where it is for obvious reasons, but should find a new justification for using it, which we can then apply to our positive/negative years designations. What else happened in the year 1 A.D. that would warrant us using it as a dividing line for all of history? Nothing that I know of. But here's a proposal which should appeal to everybody: The year 1 A.D. was 1,970 years prior to the release of Black Sabbath's eponymously-titled debut album. So we can replace B.C with B1970YBBS (Before 1970 Years Before Black Sabbath), and AD with A1970YBBS (After 1970 Years Before Black Sabbath). Rolls off the tongue like nobody's business, and honors the truly global significance of the year 1 A1970YBBS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:09:52 GMT -5
I’m not religious, but I notice that BC and AD seem to have been replaced by BCE and CE in many books I read. Damn! Firstly, I learnt a lot of historical dates at school, which I can remember thanks to BC and AD. BCE and CE seem very cold and clinical. Plus, hey, the comic 2000 AD. 2000 CE just wouldn’t have had the same ring to it. ;-) I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. They were already in use when I was at university in the late 80s/early 90s, and became the norm in most scholarly journals and works sometime in the 90s, so it is not a recent development. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:12:39 GMT -5
I now know that after reading Slam’s post - and checking out Wikipedia, which contains links to many articles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:19:00 GMT -5
And that is why I do like being here, one always learns something from someone who knows. This week alone, I’ve learnt a thing or two about medals after Prince Hal’s post. And now the nomenclature of BCE and CE.
It’s why I do prefer forums over social media. No-one (in my experience) seems to want to learn on there. It can be an echo chamber. Forums (of all kinds) tend not to be.
For me, though, I do wish I could improve my writing a tad. There are times I mean to pose things as questions or statements, but they probably come across as statements of belief. This is where a forum can never match real-life interaction. In a room, people would see the quizzical look on my face - or my body language would show that I’m starting a debate/asking a question rather than stating a fact.
So I’m glad this thread exists. Now, if only someone could explain exactly how a picosecond can exist. Given how quickly one second passes, how the hell can a picosecond (a trillionth of a second) even be a thing? How could such a small measure of time exist? It’s impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:23:03 GMT -5
I guess I am just surprised it's a thing, as even as far back as 2006 when I was teaching at university, I had to explain to a group of students what BC and AD were as they had grown up using the BCE/CE nomenclature and didn't understand the BC/AD dates when they were reading an older secondary source for my class, so I was surprised that people were surprised to see BCE/AD.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 10, 2020 10:29:39 GMT -5
I’m not religious, but I notice that BC and AD seem to have been replaced by BCE and CE in many books I read. Damn! Firstly, I learnt a lot of historical dates at school, which I can remember thanks to BC and AD. BCE and CE seem very cold and clinical. Plus, hey, the comic 2000 AD. 2000 CE just wouldn’t have had the same ring to it. ;-) I’m gonna guess (with zero proof) that BCE and CE have been adopted due to secularism. I have no dog in this fight as I am non-religious, but if something isn’t broke, don’t fix it. BC and AD worked fine for me. This came to me after recent posts from others about language and terminology. I’m not looking to start a religious or political debate, I promise, as I never discuss religion or politics. Just pointing out how much better I think BC and AD sound. They were already in use when I was at university in the late 80s/early 90s, and became the norm in most scholarly journals and works sometime in the 90s, so it is not a recent development. -M True, but secularism isn't a spring chicken either, as far as movements go. Changing the perfectly functional AD to CE does sound like an ideological move rather than an actually practical one (especially since Jesus was very likely not born in 1 AD). That I happen to agree with said ideology is neither here nor there. I think we should go for 13 800 000 002 ABB (after the big bang), myself. The 2 is because I read two years ago that the universe was 13,8 billion years old.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2020 10:50:47 GMT -5
It's much less to do with secularism and much more to do with the fact that there is much more to the world than Europe and America. A.D literally means "in the year of our Lord." For 71% of the world that is simply not the case. The Common Era nomenclature dates to at least the early 1700s and was used extensively by Jewish scholars, who, shock of shocks, didn't see Jesus as their Lord. You're still counting from a certain year because it's the alleged birth year of a religious figure. I never understood what's "common" about "Common Era". The best I can come up with is that "Jesus is common to all of us", which is just as offensive as Anno Domini. If you're going to putz around with that kind of thing, it only makes sense to completely divorce the event in question from our dating system. We want to keep the dividing line where it is for obvious reasons, but should find a new justification for using it, which we can then apply to our positive/negative years designations. What else happened in the year 1 A.D. that would warrant us using it as a dividing line for all of history? Nothing that I know of. But here's a proposal which should appeal to everybody: The year 1 A.D. was 1,970 years prior to the release of Black Sabbath's eponymously-titled debut album. So we can replace B.C with B1970YBBS (Before 1970 Years Before Black Sabbath), and AD with A1970YBBS (After 1970 Years Before Black Sabbath). Rolls off the tongue like nobody's business, and honors the truly global significance of the year 1 A1970YBBS. Because the Gregorian Calendar has been used in the west for 300-400 years and has been adopted pretty much worldwide for over 100 years. The idea the entire world is just going to change up the calendar is silly. Look at the difficulty in get the U.S. to adopt the metric system. Inertia is a powerful force.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 10:50:54 GMT -5
I think we should go for 13 800 000 002 ABB (after the big bang), myself. The 2 is because I read two years ago that the universe was 13,8 billion years old. Switching to this system would make the Y2K panic seem quaint. The actual issue was nothing, but the panic was real, anyway. I bet you measure temperature in degrees Kelvin, too.
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