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Post by Jesse on Aug 13, 2018 12:53:53 GMT -5
Felt old today when the dental student working on my teeth this morning had never heard of Spinal Tap.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 13, 2018 13:19:54 GMT -5
Felt old today when the dental student working on my teeth this morning had never heard of Spinal Tap. Feel the same nearly any day at work when discussing movies, books, television, music or history with many of the under 30 years old crowd. Seems that anymore if it isn't current the younger generation has no clue and their cut off for anything is around 10 years. If it's older than 10 years they have no concept or idea what we old timers are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 13:27:16 GMT -5
Felt old today when the dental student working on my teeth this morning had never heard of Spinal Tap. Feel the same nearly any day at work when discussing movies, books, television, music or history with many of the under 30 years old crowd. Seems that anymore if it isn't current the younger generation has no clue and their cut off for anything is around 10 years. If it's older than 10 years they have no concept or idea what we old timers are talking about. And how much did you know of the popular entertainment your parents and grandparents generation partook of before you came along. You may have known some, but there were large swaths of stuff that was overlooked and unknown to the generation after (i.e. our generation), and our parents and grandparents felt the same way when we didn't know about those things they took for granted everyone knew about. It's the way of things, and if you are going to point the finger at the current younger generation for doing it, remember there are three fingers pointed at our generation for doing the same thing with the stuff that came before us. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 13, 2018 14:01:39 GMT -5
Felt old today when the dental student working on my teeth this morning had never heard of Spinal Tap. Feel the same nearly any day at work when discussing movies, books, television, music or history with many of the under 30 years old crowd. Seems that anymore if it isn't current the younger generation has no clue and their cut off for anything is around 10 years. If it's older than 10 years they have no concept or idea what we old timers are talking about. They don’t even have any concept of what the youngsters from ten years ago were talking about, all that stuff I had to learn back then to avoid appearing outdated. Which makes me doubly outdated today!!!
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 13, 2018 14:13:13 GMT -5
It's actually relatively recent that people grow up inhabiting a different culture than their parents. In the 1930s, whole families would listen happily to Your Hit Parade - popular music was popular with everybody. A few decades later, there was a TV game show called The Generation Gap for a few months in 1969. Teams of young people would be asked about big band music etc., and teams of older people were asked about rock bands etc.
Today we've accepted the generation gap as normal and natural, but it's really one of the huge social experiments we're all participating in.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 13, 2018 14:14:37 GMT -5
Adding "disabled" to the statement wasn't needed at all. You've could've added "old" and it would've been just as out of place. Either are not needed. You saying, "Hey, you've got retail giants all around you there in America, right ? That's your safest, easiest option." Doesn't that sound better without even injection the disability term into the dialogue. How was it relevant ? I'm not the only one who read into it as being snarky, even though I trust that you didn't mean it that way. I wasn't being snarky either when I said, words have meaning. None of us is perfect and I'm trying to pick on you, just point something out that it sounds like you weren't aware of. I figured he wasn't trying to be condescending, or imply a pejorative word. But such is life today, that statements are interpreted differently.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 13, 2018 14:24:38 GMT -5
It's actually relatively recent that people grow up inhabiting a different culture than their parents. In the 1930s, whole families would listen happily to Your Hit Parade - popular music was popular with everybody. A few decades later, there was a TV game show called The Generation Gap for a few months in 1969. Teams of young people would be asked about big band music etc., and teams of older people were asked about rock bands etc. Today we've accepted the generation gap as normal and natural, but it's really one of the huge social experiments we're all participating in. Young people seem to have only vague awareness of 'stuff from before they were born' as 'stuff their parents liked'. Far fewer of them pay enough attention to develop an interest in it themselves. Music from the '60s became popular again in the '80s largely because the kids of baby boomers were getting interested in it with their parents. Now, those '80s kids' are nostalgic for the music they grew up with...but their kids didn't get as caught up in it, only know '80s music according to whatever songs get a cover version(or, til a few years ago, whatever songs ended up in '80s Night' on 'American Idol').
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 14:31:00 GMT -5
Where I work there is an interesting dynamic as far as age. There are 16 people in my dept... 6 of us are over 55. The other 10 are under 35. There is no one between the ages of 35-55.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 13, 2018 14:55:04 GMT -5
Feel the same nearly any day at work when discussing movies, books, television, music or history with many of the under 30 years old crowd. Seems that anymore if it isn't current the younger generation has no clue and their cut off for anything is around 10 years. If it's older than 10 years they have no concept or idea what we old timers are talking about. And how much did you know of the popular entertainment your parents and grandparents generation partook of before you came along. You may have known some, but there were large swaths of stuff that was overlooked and unknown to the generation after (i.e. our generation), and our parents and grandparents felt the same way when we didn't know about those things they took for granted everyone knew about. It's the way of things, and if you are going to point the finger at the current younger generation for doing it, remember there are three fingers pointed at our generation for doing the same thing with the stuff that came before us. -M Not so much pointing a finger as stating what occurs here at my work. Speaking for myself only, I knew quite a bit. My grandparents were farm folk and not in to television so when visiting them I grew up listening to their big band records and radio serials like the Lone Ranger, the Shadow, Charlie Chan, Sherlock Holmes, Red Ryder and Captain Midnight. Spent most of my youth listening to what my parents liked in music so 1950's and 1960's records until receiving a portable radio for my 12th birthday. My parents controlled the television set as well so I grew up watching only 4 television stations (not including PBS) which in the 60's and 70's the syndication packages were of old black and white movies and television series. I can listen to Glenn Miller, Guy Lombardo, the Andrew's sisters, Rosemary Clooney, Lawrence Welk, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Tony Bennett, Bobby Vinton, Lesley Gore and classical music right along with the Beach Boys, Neal Sedaka, Franki Valli and the Four Seasons, the Four Tops, Barry White, the O'Jays, Tower of Power, Parliament, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Moody Blues, the Who, Buck Owens, Tammy Wynette, George Jones right up along with current musicians like Dream Theater, Godsmack, Rob Zombie and the like. Television at the time "forced" me to watching old stuff like Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power, Randolph Scott, Cary Grant, Spencer Tracy, Bogart and Bacall, Laurel and Hardy, the Little Rascal's, Shirley Temple and tons of others. Where I can actually say I have experienced the old time classic radio, television and movies and found things which intrigued me enough for delving further many today newer generations "choose" not to. I have spoken with young people who will refuse to watch anything in black and white. They will NOT listen to anything other than EXACTLY what they like (as in literally spoke with 2 27 year old ladies and they refuse to listen to jazz, country music or classical music) and AVOID anything which they think they won't like. Mention an Actor or Musician from yesteryear and they will tell me they never heard of them before. I mentioned the other day purchasing some Andre Rieu and Saboton and Apocalyptica and Barry Manilow and Elton John concert DVD's and was given blank stares in return.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 15:05:13 GMT -5
Spent most of my youth listening to what my parents liked in music so 1950's and 1960's records until receiving a portable radio for my 12th birthday. My parents controlled the television set as well so I grew up watching only 4 television stations (not including PBS) which in the 60's and 70's the syndication packages were of old black and white movies and television series. Where I can actually say I have experienced the old time classic radio, television and movies and found things which intrigued me enough for delving further many today newer generations "choose" not to. I have spoken with young people who will refuse to watch anything in black and white. They will NOT listen to anything other than EXACTLY what they like (as in literally spoke with 2 27 year old ladies and they refuse to listen to jazz, country music or classical music) and AVOID anything which they think they won't like. Mention an Actor or Musician from yesteryear and they will tell me they never heard of them before.
My experiences are very similar to yours. I still enjoy movies, TV, and music that were from my parent's generation. However my adult daughters have no interest in popular entertainment from my generation even though I exposed them to it as children.
And as far as comics? I find most newer readers won't read anything printed before the 90's.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 13, 2018 16:04:07 GMT -5
The conclusion is clear. 'Most people' suck.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 13, 2018 16:20:30 GMT -5
You are spot on about many readers @md62. Besides me I have 3 here at the hospital that are into comics. 2 guys and a gal all between 22-27 years old. Of the 3, only one of the guys will even consider looking at any comic book later than 1990. for the most part they have said they tried to read some older comic books but the "art and writing" just turned them off. The one guy has actually expanded his collecting towards some older comic books but his purchases are all fully based on his artistic taste for comics he read as he grew up in the 90's. He likes Neal Adams, John Buscema and a bit of Joe Kubert but most other notable artists of the past he just shrugs and says not to his liking.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 13, 2018 16:46:55 GMT -5
I would venture that there is a difference in the knowledge that the average younger person has about "old stuff" now and what there was...say 30 years ago. And if that is the case (and I don't know if it is) then I suspect it has a lot to do with the availability of media aimed at particular demographics as opposed to a more general media output.
Growing up, I had access to between 2 and 4 television stations, depending on the time period we are talking about. If you were going to watch something it was coming from that source. I didn't own a VCR until I was married and in college. There were TV shows that were well before my time that had moved into syndication and old movies that showed up late-night. If you were going to watch TV...that was what you had. Now between cable and streaming and web-services you don't have to watch old stuff.
Same with music. My parents controlled the car radio. My parents controlled the stereo. And as for the radio there was maybe 6-12 stations across both dials that you could rely on hearing. Until I bought my boombox and then started driving myself I was very unlikely to hear the music I wanted to hear. Now...not so much with every phone, ipod, tablet etc. giving access to whatever music you want.
Neither of which are better or worse. It's just different.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 13, 2018 16:53:57 GMT -5
Adding "disabled" to the statement wasn't needed at all. You've could've added "old" and it would've been just as out of place. Either are not needed. You saying, "Hey, you've got retail giants all around you there in America, right ? That's your safest, easiest option." Doesn't that sound better without even injection the disability term into the dialogue. How was it relevant ? I'm not the only one who read into it as being snarky, even though I trust that you didn't mean it that way. I wasn't being snarky either when I said, words have meaning. None of us is perfect and I'm trying to pick on you, just point something out that it sounds like you weren't aware of. I didn't know if a disability was relevant in terms of a potential obstacle existing to solve a problem. I didn't have enough information. Which is why I asked. You weren't the only one that felt uncomfortable by misinterpreting my question. I understand that. There was also another user that claimed they weren't offended. Be that as it may, I'll try to be more delicate in the future at least in this particular scenario.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 13, 2018 17:51:13 GMT -5
I'm a weirdo that is fascinated by the pop culture of earlier generations and cultures, but it's a good point that a lot of people will miss regional, cultural and generational references yet not in any way be wrong for that. It reminds me too of that Steely Dan song Hey Nineteen with the line "she don't know about the Queen Of Soul" meaning Aretha Franklin.
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