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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 20, 2018 19:42:54 GMT -5
Quick question for Slam_Bradley, Has anyone that been their own lawyer in a trial ever won?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2018 21:35:58 GMT -5
Quick question for Slam_Bradley, Has anyone that been their own lawyer in a trial ever won? Oh yeah. I’ve seen it happen. It’s rare, but it does happen. Generally the more serious the charge the worse idea it is to represent yourself.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 20, 2018 21:42:56 GMT -5
Quick question for Slam_Bradley , Has anyone that been their own lawyer in a trial ever won? Not to steal Slam's thunder, but I think one of the most famous is Gideon v. Wainwright (1963); he served as his own attorney (from jail) until his case reached the Supreme Court, where the Court appointed future Justice Abe Fortas as his attorney. Which may have been a giveaway about how they would eventually rule? (9-0, Gideon) because ironically, Gideon was arguing that he deserved to be represented by counsel. At the time, only those accused of capital crimes who could not afford an attorney were granted legal counsel. (Gideon had been arrested for burglary.) <iframe width="27.559999999999945" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 27.559999999999945px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_27740725" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.559999999999945" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 27.56px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1314px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80447309" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.559999999999945" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 27.56px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77588966" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.559999999999945" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 27.56px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1314px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47368520" scrolling="no"></iframe> I hope Slam_Bradley can shed light on this and correct any of my recollections if necessary. (Oops. Didn't realize you'd already answered, Slam_Bradley.)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2018 23:01:00 GMT -5
Quick question for Slam_Bradley , Has anyone that been their own lawyer in a trial ever won? Not to steal Slam's thunder, but I think one of the most famous is Gideon v. Wainwright (1963); he served as his own attorney (from jail) until his case reached the Supreme Court, where the Court appointed future Justice Abe Fortas as his attorney. Which may have been a giveaway about how they would eventually rule? (9-0, Gideon) because ironically, Gideon was arguing that he deserved to be represented by counsel. At the time, only those accused of capital crimes who could not afford an attorney were granted legal counsel. (Gideon had been arrested for burglary.) I hope Slam_Bradley can shed light on this and correct any of my recollections if necessary. (Oops. Didn't realize you'd already answered, Slam_Bradley .) That's correct. Gideon was charged with burglary and asked for appointed counsel. The court denied the request because Florida only provided counsel in capital cases at the time (pursuant to Powell v. Alabama, 287 U.S. 45 (1932)). Gideon represented himself at the trial level, lost and was convicted and sentenced to five years in the Florida state penitentiary. It was from there that he sent a handwritten petition (in pencil) requesting a Writ of Certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court on his denial of a suit against Secretary of the Florida Department of Corrections. The Court appointed Abe Fortas to represent Gideon in the Supreme Court and the outcome of Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335 (1963), established the right to counsel under the 6th amendment in any case in which jail time is a possibility. Gideon is the foundation of my job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 0:28:28 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley -- A year or two I watched a documentary on that and it was a fascinating one indeed. I liked ^^^ the write up here.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 21, 2018 5:41:40 GMT -5
I defended myself in magistrates court on a charge of multiple speeding offences once. I walked in there like Clint Eastwood, gave 'em some attitude, gave 'em some lip, and when asked if the Bible was my holy book, shot back, "yeah...unless you've got a copy of Lord of the Rings with ya!". I was a working class hero that day, I can tell you. I got a 6 month driving ban and a £200 fine. Like the song says, "I fought the law...and the law won."
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 21, 2018 9:14:26 GMT -5
I defended myself in magistrates court on a charge of multiple speeding offences once. I walked in there like Clint Eastwood, gave 'em some attitude, gave 'em some lip, and when asked if the Bible was my holy book, shot back, "yeah...unless you've got a copy of Lord of the Rings with ya!". I was a working class hero that day, I can tell you. I got a 6 month driving ban and a £200 fine. Like the song says, "I fought the law...and the law won." Maybe the quote " the person that defends themselves has a fool for a client" applies better.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 22, 2018 19:26:40 GMT -5
Mice, I say, we got mice!!!
Every few years we get a few unwanted guests of the rodentia persuasion... and my verfluchte cat doesn’t do anything about it!!!
Setting traps, we already got a chunky mouse and... a mole! There was a mole in our garage! Now we hear sritchyscratchyTHUMP sounds from within the walls, so I’ve added warfarin to our arsenal.
I just hope it’s not a rat or a squirrel.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 22, 2018 19:33:20 GMT -5
Mice, I say, we got mice!!! Every few years we get a few unwanted guests of the rodentia persuasion... and my verfluchte cat doesn’t do anything about it!!! Setting traps, we already got a chunky mouse and... a mole! There was a mole in our garage! Now we hear sritchyscratchyTHUMP sounds from within the walls, so I’ve added warfarin to our arsenal. I just hope it’s not a rat or a squirrel. Get yourself a terrier, RR. I've seen one in action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 19:35:34 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider -- I hate MOLES ... They are nasty little critters that makes a mess of your lawn. I killed many of them in my lifetime in my parents home.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 22, 2018 19:39:00 GMT -5
I has to take down the drywall of our living room, a decade ago... the stench left by one mouse nest was unbearable!
Oh, how I miss the walls from oir house in Germany, made of solid concrete... not very useful as far as insulation goes, but absolutely mouse-proof!
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 22, 2018 21:17:45 GMT -5
Mice, I say, we got mice!!! Every few years we get a few unwanted guests of the rodentia persuasion... and my verfluchte cat doesn’t do anything about it!!! Setting traps, we already got a chunky mouse and... a mole! There was a mole in our garage! Now we hear sritchyscratchyTHUMP sounds from within the walls, so I’ve added warfarin to our arsenal. I just hope it’s not a rat or a squirrel. We have two cats and they're worthless for mousing. The most they've ever done with the occasional mouse that sneaks in is play with it. Then I end up having to capture it and throw it back outside. We try to avoid killing them if at all possible.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 22, 2018 21:37:02 GMT -5
I'm telling you, terriers are, as one of my sons dubbed them, the Navy SEALS of ratting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:56:15 GMT -5
Mice, I say, we got mice!!! Every few years we get a few unwanted guests of the rodentia persuasion... and my verfluchte cat doesn’t do anything about it!!! Setting traps, we already got a chunky mouse and... a mole! There was a mole in our garage! Now we hear sritchyscratchyTHUMP sounds from within the walls, so I’ve added warfarin to our arsenal. I just hope it’s not a rat or a squirrel. hmm... first thing that came to my deranged mind when I read your post.... -M
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 23, 2018 0:20:00 GMT -5
Terriers, also known as ratters.
That's literally what they were bred to do, is to kill vermin.
My Hildie or Sophie would be on them in an instant.
Gertie or Greta, not so much. They'd kick back and watch the other two.
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