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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 17, 2020 18:39:14 GMT -5
Did you hear that nurse interviewed on CNN, telling the heart-breaking story of a patient who was obviously dying of COVID but still refused to admit that it existed? The patient insisted it must be something else, like influenza or even lung cancer. Dear Lord. With "leadership" like this... www.c-span.org/video/?c4923656/senators-brown-sullivan-clash-masks-senate-floor |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 17, 2020 19:06:21 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley - so sorry to hear that you tested positive. Hope you recover quickly and are back to your old sarcastic self as soon as possible.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2020 6:11:07 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley - so sorry to hear that you tested positive. Hope you recover quickly and are back to your old sarcastic self as soon as possible. No so fast there... Just kidding. Feel better Slam.  |
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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 18, 2020 15:28:38 GMT -5
I've just figured out that I am a member of an under-represented group, and my mother is a member of an even more under-represented group.
I was born in the 1950s.
There has never been a US President born in the 1950s.
My mother was born in the 1930s.
There has never been a US President or Vice President born in the 1930s.
We might still get a President born in the 50s but I think the 30s are shut out permanently.
Here are the decades of the 1900s and the Presidents and Vice Presidents who were born then:
1900s - Johnson, Rockefeller
1910s - Kennedy, Nixon, Humphrey, Agnew, Ford, Reagan
1920s - Carter, Mondale, Bush 1
1930s - none
1940s - Quayle, Clinton, Gore, Bush 2, Cheney, Biden, Trump
1950s - Pence
1960s - Obama, Harris
Just for fun, here are the unsuccessful candidates for both offices and their decades (omitting the ones who appear above):
1900s - Stevenson, Kefauver, Lodge, Goldwater
1910s - Miller, Muskie, Shriver
1920s - McGovern, Dole, Bentsen
1930s - Ferraro, Dukakis, Kemp, McCain
1940s - Lieberman, Kerry, Romney, Clinton
1950s - Edwards, Kaine
1960s - Palin
1970s - Ryan
So what accounts for all the Presidents born in the 1910s and 1940s, and so few in the 1930s and 1950s?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 16:24:14 GMT -5
Being World War I & II babies make one so inclined to becoming President?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 18, 2020 18:53:03 GMT -5
I've just figured out that I am a member of an under-represented group, and my mother is a member of an even more under-represented group. I was born in the 1950s. There has never been a US President born in the 1950s. My mother was born in the 1930s. There has never been a US President or Vice President born in the 1930s. We might still get a President born in the 50s but I think the 30s are shut out permanently. Here are the decades of the 1900s and the Presidents and Vice Presidents who were born then: 1900s - Johnson, Rockefeller 1910s - Kennedy, Nixon, Humphrey, Agnew, Ford, Reagan 1920s - Carter, Mondale, Bush 1 1930s - none 1940s - Quayle, Clinton, Gore, Bush 2, Cheney, Biden, Trump 1950s - Pence 1960s - Obama, Harris Just for fun, here are the unsuccessful candidates for both offices and their decades (omitting the ones who appear above): 1900s - Stevenson, Kefauver, Lodge, Goldwater 1910s - Miller, Muskie, Shriver 1920s - McGovern, Dole, Bentsen 1930s - Ferraro, Dukakis, Kemp, McCain 1940s - Lieberman, Kerry, Romney, Clinton 1950s - Edwards, Kaine 1960s - Palin 1970s - Ryan So what accounts for all the Presidents born in the 1910s and 1940s, and so few in the 1930s and 1950s? Born too early or too late to become war heroes. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 18, 2020 23:23:46 GMT -5
codystarbuck , I know lots of guys born in the 1930s and the 1950s who were pretty heroic in Korea and Vietnam.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 18, 2020 23:27:50 GMT -5
I seem to fall between the cracks on a lot of these economic aid programs, there are such long lists of requirements to qualify for them. So far $0 benefits received in covid relief, and after spending an hour or so at canada.ca, $0 to be received (even though I know a relative who qualified less and got quite a bit anyhow). I do get help on medical expenses which my parents don't seem to get, but then they did get one covid income boost and might get another provincial one. It's because of people who do abuse the system that they make it so hard for the honest person to qualify for things, and the stress sometimes to get it, I just don't think I'm up to fighting for it anyway. So, meanwhile... I'm officially broke right now. I should be able to just pay off the small balance on one credit card from a Christmas present purchased and then that's it. No more anything fun for me for awhile. Luckily I did get my birthday present comics so I have a small stack yet to be read, but I feel like I'd better ration those out. No way to contribute to or support anything at this time. Apologies.  I'm amazed at how others are surviving these days, even with relief support or food banks. I know most small businesses owners are really hitting the wall right now. I hope December-January is survivable for most people. I think it's going to be pretty much the extreme bottom in so many ways. It really feels like the edge of a cliff for civilization. There is just no room for any more luxuries nor taking chances. Cue Merl Haggard songs... |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 19, 2020 5:14:46 GMT -5
codystarbuck , I know lots of guys born in the 1930s and the 1950s who were pretty heroic in Korea and Vietnam. Yeah, not really sure what being a war hero, or even just being involved in combat during war has to do with it. Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump, for example, all found ways to avoid serving in Vietnam (the latter two taking advantage of the 'rich/influential daddy pulling strings' maneuver), and Obama could have theoretically participated in the first Gulf War, but didn't. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 19, 2020 12:16:33 GMT -5
codystarbuck , I know lots of guys born in the 1930s and the 1950s who were pretty heroic in Korea and Vietnam. Yeah, not really sure what being a war hero, or even just being involved in combat during war has to do with it. Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump, for example, all found ways to avoid serving in Vietnam (the latter two taking advantage of the 'rich/influential daddy pulling strings' maneuver), and Obama could have theoretically participated in the first Gulf War, but didn't. It was a joke, as far too often, political parties turn to "war heroes", because of their public recognition and the perception that they are "beyond politics." There is a big difference, though, between those born before WW2 and those after. Up through WW2, the wealthy were a certain part of the military, in the officer ranks (usually). After WW2, this goes into a steady decline. Korea was soon enough after WW2 that it is a minor deviation and many officers were called back to duty. With Vietnam, the presence of the wealthy in the officer ranks plummets. The military had long been a place for both training in leadership, as well as a political structure of its own, which helped feed the ranks of government. There is a definite shift in that, post-WW2. Not a likely answer, as I think it is too complex a question to narrow down into a single answer, as anything that revolves around "generations" is, since those are arbitrary dividing lines. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 19, 2020 12:36:12 GMT -5
codystarbuck , I know lots of guys born in the 1930s and the 1950s who were pretty heroic in Korea and Vietnam. Yeah, not really sure what being a war hero, or even just being involved in combat during war has to do with it. Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump, for example, all found ways to avoid serving in Vietnam (the latter two taking advantage of the 'rich/influential daddy pulling strings' maneuver), and Obama could have theoretically participated in the first Gulf War, but didn't. Being a war hero, or just having served in the military, was a perennial box to check for political candidates, and still is. Witness such recent candidates as John McCain and John Kerry. It's a statement of how much things have changed, though, that the former's service was denigrated by the current occupant of the White House and his supporters, and the latter was vilified by the same types of deplorable people, many of whom were veterans of the same war in which both men served. BTW, only one President (LBJ) was born in the 19-aughts, either. Those born in that decade were too young for the "Great War" and many a tad too old to be drafted for the Second World War. Though several of my wife's uncles who were born in the later years of that (like LBJ) decade were drafted. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 19, 2020 21:51:01 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, I still like Ike.  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 19, 2020 22:31:44 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, I still like Ike. I'll tell ya', when I was in college, I kind of felt he was over-rated and not that great of a president. I still think his administration gets too much of a pass for events during that time frame, which came back to haunt us (Iran and Mossadeg, putting Pahlavi in power); but, I gained a lot of respect for the man, after reading more histories and biographies. He was a decisive leader, who took responsibility for things, and also sounded the warning for how much influence the defense industries had on foreign policy. I shudder to think of what it would have been like had MacArthur been the one to reach the White House, given how he seemed to view military power, vs Eisenhower. There is a video on Youtube from a CBS presentation, with Walter Cronkite and Ike revisiting Normandy, on the 30th Anniversary, which is fascinating to hear, as you get Ike's insights to the decisions he had to make. Now, if he would have just refused to attach Nixon to his ticket and had put a leash on Dulles........ |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 19, 2020 22:43:39 GMT -5
Had to have been the 20th anniversary of D-Day, since Ike died in '69.
Cei-U!
I summon the calendar!
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 20, 2020 6:55:03 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, I still like Ike. I just didn't like he beat up Tina Turner. |
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